I change the method, but keep the selection after reading John Patricks baccarat book.
I get very good result playing this method.
I play regression up and pull.

Sputnik,

Did you commence with the up and pull methid exactly  at the point suggested by  John Patrick namely L-L-W>>> commence Up and Pull.


It`s a subtle way to get into the up and pull. \


NOT for  roulette EC. . This method is designed for Baccarat only.

For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.






ND

Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 03, 2014, 10:04:35 PM
Sputnik,

Did you commence with the up and pull methid exactly  at the point suggested by  John Patrick namely L-L-W>>> commence Up and Pull.


It`s a subtle way to get into the up and pull. \


NOT for  roulette EC. . This method is designed for Baccarat only.

For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.






ND

PART 1
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Hello i read JPs baccarat book and find a method.

The staking is 122
If you win one of the two first bets you continue with regression up & pull

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If the last bet of the 122 wins you accept a small loss
I think that is how he describe it at page 165

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PART 2
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But i don't understand the money management.

200 Session money
100 Loss limit
40 Win target

That is 20% win target of 200 session money.
But i only allow to play with 100 that is my loss limit.
So if my win goal is 40 then that is 40% of 100.

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PART 3
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The good news is that i find a working bet selection for this method.

Go for  the  10%  win goal. Once you have reached this  point I  would continue betting 1 unit until the FIRST  loss.

Keeping in mind that the table  minimum  for  Baccarat  here  in  the States  is  $ 25 . There fore  a Buy -in of $ 750  should be required. 

Thanks ND ...

Well i can still not rap my mind around the money management.
I understand that i have a loss limit for two reasons.

The first one is to prevent me from losing it all.
And the other will make me not go home with a empty wallet.

But there is something wrong with the %

200 Session Money
100 Loss-Limit
40 Win-Target

In reality i will only have 100 to play with, my action money for the session.
But my % is based upon my Session Money 200 or 40%.
That has to be wrong.

So should i build my Win-Target based upon my Loss-Limit.

400 Session Money
200 Loss-Limit
40 Win-Target

Then my 20% Win-Target is based upon my Loss-Limt 200.

Sputnik ,
The  full buy-in  is actually    1, 200.--- which is divided into 3 individual  sub  sessions of 400.

Therefore  if you reach the loss limit   at the first sub session you leave the table  and return later. Winning 2 out of 3 sub sessions.


We are  at the casino playing to win and not pplaying to play just for playings sake.

PROTECTING the bankroll is of paramount importance

No matter if you are down  by 100  , enter the second sub session playing it the normal way. Just ignore the previous loss.


ND


For recreational purposes  only. Play at your own risk.

Thanks for you help ND.
And for all others who read this topic i just want to say that the bet selection is not working, so it does not help with MM.

Cheers

I change my mind again, i come up with a twist with this method and it works fine.

LOL

  All bet selection is the same with the same probability with a 50/50 situation.
So i come up with a bet selection that use a random element of luck and one mechanical part.

Now if you get high strike ratio, then it is based upon luck.

1) You clustering the four past result into a group of four (pattern) and it can come in any given combination.
2) If you fifth results is same as your first result of your previos four, then you play oppisite.
3) If you fifth results is oppisite as your first result of your previos four, then you play same.

This give you the odds 7 against 1 attacking with tre attempts.

4) If you catch a winning bet among your three attempts you continue betting the same colour (let it ride)
5) If you catch a strike and the sequense (pattern) become longer then four you restart with a new frech sequense (pattern).
6) If you catch one losing strike of three bets in a row you continue.
7) If you catch two losing strikes of three bets in a row you stop playing.

This happens when you get two failurs.
You get a dice with four sides to repeat it self four times in a row.
Then method end up being 1/3 principal.

XOX
XOX
XOX
XOX

XXX
XXX
XXX
XXX

OXX
OXX
OXX
OXX

XXO
XXO
XXO
XXO

The good news is that you can walk up to any table and pick the last four or five results and start playing, there is no need to wait.

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WWL
LWWWWL
LWL
WL
LWWWL
LLWL
LWWWWL
LLWL
LWWWL
LWL
WL
LWL
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WL
WWWL
WL
WWWWWL
LWL
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LWWWL
LLWL
WWWWWWL
LLWL
LWL
LWWL
WWL
WWWWWL
LLWWWL
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LLL
WWL
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LWWL
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WWWL
WWWWWWWL

I made a short test and it works fine using Regression Up & pull

Hi
Can you tell me if i am doing this right?
r play r if win continue play red until i lose, if lose play 2 units b if lose again play 2 units r if lose start over if win
b keep playing r until lose.
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b

I really like this one,thank you Patrik
agesta "Per"

Quote from: Agesta1 on November 30, 2014, 05:41:58 PM
Hi
Can you tell me if i am doing this right?
r play r if win continue play red until i lose, if lose play 2 units b if lose again play 2 units r if lose start over if win
b keep playing r until lose.
b
r
b

I really like this one,thank you Patrik
agesta "Per"

Per i made this method even more effective after a tweak that make loses more rare.
I have to think how to explain it, then i will post it.

CHeers

You can use clustering patterns of three and bet opposite.
Then if you get three loses in a row you will get a sequense of six in a row.
If you lose again you will get a nine loses in a row.

You can compare that with the original.
I get the feeling that this last one produce less losing strikes as nine in a row is pretty rare.
You have the odds 7 against 1 and try to not losing twice.

Test this with Regression Up & Pull with todays random results from random org.
I did not catch so many strikes, but still winning.

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Thank`Patrik!