Quote from: Xander on March 05, 2014, 07:56:17 PM
I'm sorry Turner, but that's unacceptable.  Please go back and return the money that you have unfairly won, as you will likely not be able to sleep at night.   

I will sleep like a baby.....


Xander...I would like you to post more like your last post. Very interesting (for me anyhow)


I can't take on everything, I can't become a pro gambler....but I respect your view as "learned the hard way"


Some Gems in there....and I thought the Unicorn was very beautiful.

After investigating the Macau data further, I've found why the XXVV system appeared to perform so well on this specific sample.   The sample was the one that produced the largest win for the WF3/WF4 system.

It's because there are several repeating strings of data.  The repeating strings of data are highlighted in different colors.  Only the repeating strings seven spins or longer are highlighted. Attached are only the first 3030 spins.  There are likely several shorter strings of repeating numbers.

In short, the original data was very corrupt.  Please note that I do NOT believe that XXVV is responsible for the bad data, and I doubt that he knew it was bad.  The average player would likely not know how to examine the data in order to find the repeating strings and would not know how to measure it's quality.  Such techniques are closely guarded secrets among APs.

  The responsible party was probably the original source of the data or the person that keyed it.

-Caleb



   

QuoteXXVV Studio / Re: THREAD FIFTEEN - live play 28 Feb 2014 and updated comments
« on: March 01, 2014, 11:27:39 pm »

Regarding Macao,


Recall the tests were done in 1970 and the data published in POND book was methodically analysed by the Author's team and all charts are published in this excellent book -XXVV

QuoteApparently, according to Xander it is unlikely I was aware of the degree of 'corruption' in this spin data.-XXVV

I don't believe that you knew that it was corrupt data.  Finding repeating strings over so many spins is way beyond the expertise of a new player or layman.  I don't see how you could have known. I think it was probably the result of one or some of the following: The person that keyed the data,  because the original authors wanted to increase the number of spins that they had, or because their data collection proceedure was very amateurish.

QuoteHowever, what of the reputation of the Irish born, Canadian/US businessman Mr O'Neil-Dunne, a wartime RAF fighter pilot who flew with distinction night fighter mosquito aircraft equipped with radar, and an outspoken advocate for health warnings to be provided by Rothmans where he was a senior partner.-XXVV

What of it?  Aren't you being a bit dramatic here? Or are you implying that the repeating sequences of numbers are random and that I'm exaggerating all of this?  So he's a great pilot.  Big deal!  But that doesn't mean that he's good at collecting and recording data.  Tracking and organizing data is more difficult than most people realize.  Try tracking a few thousand spins sometime.  Then you'll understand how it can happen.

QuoteWhat of the reputation of Mr Stanley Ho and his management team who daily certified numbers, and Mr Ho frequently accompanied the Author in his sessions.

What of it?  I believe that you may be over estimating the efficiency and accuracy of casino staff.  My experience is that they are about as efficient as your local parks and rec division or water department.  In other words, not that great.

QuoteThe implications of this are fascinating, and true to form, the trouble maker strikes again.

I'm sorry, I guess I should have let everyone falsely believe that the WF3 could produce big wins based on the Macau testing?

Look, the system isn't that bad.  Your WF3 system and the numerous clones of it invented since the inception of the game, really will slightly reduce the house edge on live wheels.  It really is a step in the right direction.  Betting the hot numbers is far better than chasing the cold ones. 

Quote'Give me a Sign' to have nothing further to do with divisive and pointless posting by individuals who have little understanding yet distort interpretation and consider themselves authorities.-XXVV

Sorry XXVV.  But don't you're being just a bit melodramatic?   I'm simply posting the facts.  I'm sorry if the facts are divisive, and If the methods that I've laid out so that you can improve the system seem pointless to you.


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Below is the list of the duplicated sequences of numbers within the first 3030 spins of the corrupt Macau spin file.  The file is also attached:

Please note that there are likely several more repeating sequences that are less than seven spins in length.  I've only highlighted the repeating sequences that are seven spins or longer in length.

Lines 484 to 490
7 spins that are the same as lines 1171 to 1177
Lines 519 to 554
36 spins that are the same as lines 1284 to 1319
Line 623 to 643
21 spins that are the same as lines 1076 to 1096
Line 1076 to 1096
21 spins that are the same as lines 623 to 643
Lines 1101 to 1111
11 spins that are the same as lines 1224 to 1234
Line 1116 to 1156
41 spins that are the same as Line 1238 to 1278
Lines 1171 to 1177
7 spins that are the same as  lines 484 to 490
Lines 1224 to 1234
11 spins that are the same as lines 1101 to 1111
Lines 1238 to 1278
41 spins that are the same as Lines 1116 to 1156
Lines 1284 to 1319
36 spins that are the same as lines 519 to 554
Lines 1792 to 1804
13 spins that are the same as lines 1923 to 1935
Lines 1808 to 1825                                                                                                                                                   2
23 spins that are the same as lines 2515 to 2537 with other spins added in between             21
Lines 1827 to 1853
27 spins that are the same as lines 2539 to 2565
Lines 1855 to 1863
9 spins that are the same as lines 2567 to 2575
Lines 1923 to 1935
13 Spins that are the same as lines 1792 to 1804
Lines 2515 to 2537
23 spins that are the same as lines 1808 to 1825 with other spins added in between
?? Data that has been inserted in between a repeating string of numbers
??


Lines 2539 to 2565
27 spins that are the same as lines 1827 to 1853
Lines 2567 to 2575
9 spins that are the same as lines 1855 to 1863


-Xander

Quote from: Xander on March 06, 2014, 08:07:33 AM
Such techniques are closely guarded secrets among APs.

Yeah I heard about you AP guys...secret handshakes...decoder rings...the works

Sorry...in one of those moods today...big kitchen remodel and in the middle of it one of the "air, cruise, tilt" ovens goes on the blink with a party tonight so I have to turn into the friggin Maytag man (it's not really a Maytag...just getting my point across)

I just like the "closely guarded secret" thing going on in a public forum regarding a game few people give anyone a chance at winning at.

Now that I'm thinking about it...shoulda PM'd Sam and pulled him outta retirement

All is well now...I am calming  (kinda like Buford T Justice in the Smokey and the Bandit sequel)   ummmmmmmmmm....ummmmmmmmmmm

Xander...so what would good data look like....I mean...do you expect some repeat of data...or is there none...or is there a limit...say 5 numbers may repeat 1% in a certain sample....6 may repeat 0.1% etc...or am I trying to penetrate your inner sanctum
Oooh matron !!!!!

QuoteXander...so what would good data look like....I mean...do you expect some repeat of data...or is there none...or is there a limit...say 5 numbers may repeat 1% in a certain sample....6 may repeat 0.1% etc...or am I trying to penetrate your inner sanctum
Oooh matron !!!!!-Turner

Using some basic probability, you can calculate the odds of a specific string repeating.  For example, the probability of seeing a specific seven number sequence repeating is the same as seeing a specific number repeating seven times in a row 1/37 ^7

Strings of three numbers in length are more common than you might think.  An occasional string of four numbers in a row is very unusual, but not out of the question.  A string of five numbers repeating is quite unusual, but I've actually seen it twice, possibly three times in my life in the form of a number that his five times in a row.  (Two of the times I witnessed it as it happened.  The third time I only saw three of them hit and the other two hits were already on the board.)  I've seen more four repeating sequences than fives.  And I see a three string sequence regularly.  Keep in mind that I have access to massive quantities of spins.

If there are more than a few sequences of five numbers repeating in sequence - in a large file, then they should be removed.

On the XXVV file I simply removed the sequences of seven spins or longer because it was faster than a full scrub.

QuoteYeah I heard about you AP guys...secret handshakes...decoder rings...the works -Roulette Key.  I just like the "closely guarded secret" thing going on in a public forum regarding a game few people give anyone a chance at winning at.

Yes, there really is a TOP SECRET AP HANDSHAKE.  Here's the link to it.  (But please! Be discrete! Do NOT share!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_IJCpZfrPA

I probably should have explained what I meant by a closely guarded secret.  Sorting data in that way and the programming code used wouldn't be of use to anyone on this board.  It wouldn't help anyone here win.  Don't read anything into it.  It's more of a programming thing.  I didn't mean for that to come across in the way that it did.

-Xander

Xander....very interesting. Thanks

 
Very nice Snowman ...
You for sure know what you talking about, thanks ...

Thanks Xander for your "system", and nice unicorn!

Also interesting regarding the repeats in the Macau data. I wonder how it happened? Presumably the spins were copied manually from the book so a lot scope for errors there.

so that xxvv or whatever name has got did play stuff system on stuff data and won.....that's what i call professional gambler 

Quote'Xander' - your claim is feeble and spurious. And this is your first line - you can't even get that right.

XXVV,

You're obviously not looking at the correct file.  Please check again.  The data is quite corrupt.  The dupes for the first 3030 spins are shown below. And they matter!  The actual file is once again attached to this post as well.

QuoteOne of my colleagues, a scientist, is refreshing in the objective view he has of many of his colleagues who happily and knowingly 'paper over the cracks' in terms of orthodoxies and refusal to answer difficult questions. It is wise to not be too certain about anything or to trade using others assumptions. These can be false. -XXVV

Why are all of these repeating sequences in this data?  Why didn't your "scientist" that you work with notice the duplicated spins??? 

Now, let's examine my "spurious" claim.


8 Lines 484 to 490  They mysteriously show up again 687 spins later!
28 seven spins that are the same as lines 1171 to 1177 
9 
3 
19 
29 
30 
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29 Lines 519 to 554 They mysteriously show up 765 spins later!
32 36 spins that are the same as lines 1284 to 1319. 
22 
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36 Lines 623 to 643 They mysteriously show up 453 spins later!
12 21 spins that are the same as lines 1076 to 1096. 
18 
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6 
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36   Line 1076 to 1096
12   21 spins that are the same as lines 623 to 643  They've already hit 453 spins ago!
18   
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22   Lines 1101 to 1111.  They mysteriously show up 123 spins later!
19   11 spins that are the same as lines 1224 to 1234. 
26   
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5   
9   
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36
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8   Line 1116 to 1156.  They mysteriously show up 122 spins later!
10   41 spins that are the same as Line 1238 to 1278
9   
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35   
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11   
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8   Lines 1171 to 1177.  They've already hit 687 spins ago!
28   7 spins that are the same as  lines 484 to 490
9   
3   
19   
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22   Lines 1224 to 1234.  They've already hit 123 spins ago!
19   11 spins that are the same as lines 1101 to 1111
26   
29   
5   
9   
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9   
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8   Lines 1238 to 1278.  They've already hit 122 spins ago!
10   41 spins that are the same as Lines 1116 to 1156
9   
5   
0   
22   
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22   
9   
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11   
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29   Lines 1284 to 1319.  They've already hit 765 spins ago!
32   36 spins that are the same as lines 519 to 554
22   
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33   Lines 1792 to 1804.  They mysteriously show up again 131 spins later!
36   13 spins that are the same as lines 1923 to 1935
11   
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12

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2   Lines 1808 to 1825                                                                                                                                                   
21   23 spins that are the same as lines 2515 to 2537 with other spins added in between.  Weird!             
13   13
9   9
6   6
2   2
18   21
26   13
14   9
21   6
0   2
11   18
3   26
21   14
33   21
25   0
19   11
26   3
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18   Lines 1827 to 1853.  They mysteriously show up again 712 spins later!
15   27 spins that are the same as lines 2539 to 2565
17   19
18   26
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30   Lines 1855 to 1863.  They mysteriously show up again 712 spins later
23   9 spins that are the same as lines 2567 to 2575
2   
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7   
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5   
16   
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33   Lines 1923 to 1935.  They've already hit 131 spins ago!
36   13 Spins that are the same as lines 1792 to 1804
11   
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2   Lines 2515 to 2537.  Wait a minute, we've seen these number before!  Someone's trying to fool us?
21   23 spins that are the same as lines 1808 to 1825 with other spins added in between
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14   ?? Data that has been inserted in between a repeating string of numbers
21   ??
0   
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18   Lines 2539 to 2565.  We've seen these spins before.  They hit 712 spins ago!
15   27 spins that are the same as lines 1827 to 1853
17   
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3   
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34   
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16   
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30   Lines 2567 to 2575.  We've seen these spin before.  They hit 712 spins ago!
23   9 spins that are the same as lines 1855 to 1863
2   
27   
7   
29   
1   
5   
16   

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Well, what do you think now?  Do you still feel that my claim is spurious?  Unlike your supposed experts and scientists, I really know how to examine the data.  If I chose to, I could run a battery of additional tests on it that would make your brain bleed out your ears.     (For example, there's an unusual tendency for a number to show up roughly halfway across the wheel 17 spins later, which could mean digit flips  This means the person simply is turning a 1 into a 2, a 3 into a 4, a 21 into a 22, a 22 into a 23,... etc....  It looks suspicious) I suspect that some of the data is likely fake.


I'm not blaming you for the bad data.  I just don't appreciate you taking unwarranted jabs at me for pointing out the data was corrupt. 

Rather than throwing anymore rocks, what do you say we pick up some of the stones that have been thrown and start over?  

Sincerely,

-Xander


Note regarding the number flip investigation attachment:  The graphs shown are standard deviation value graphs. 


   




   
   




   
   

   

Xander

...pretty damn conclusive if you ask me

Listen, some (not all) of you guys are just not catching on. When Xander, Snowman, Caleb, Farnsworth, Keyser are ON SCENE, there is not much point of posting a method (as you see).

The "you can't win" & "you'll never win playing methods" will be STUFFED down your throat until you are foaming at the mouth. You're better off keeping your IDEA to yourself (imo). Besides, you really don't need approval from others, correct? That's one thing that took me years to figure out.

Oh, Bob Smith doesn't like my method? Well, f**k Bob Smith and the horse he road in on. (lol)

Xander, Snowman, Caleb, Farnsworth, Keyser has NO PROOF he does well with his AP (cough) tactics, so, why listen? Fair question, again, its only my opinion. The other ODD thing.....some of the members that AGREE with him.......DRUM ROLL........ play methods!    Pure comedy.

Ken

Quote(Advantage-play is for suckers) Gambler's Fallacy is a term coined by unsuccessful gamblers to validate their reasons for losing. Why would I take advice from a person who has dedicated no more than 9 hours to roulette?
He/she is a quitter in my book and I have no use for quitters!! No person has yet convinced me that their way of playing roulette is better than my way.....STILL WAITING -Mr. J.

Mr. J.,

Do you know the secret AP handshake?

That's a cute comback. Perhaps more pics of unicorns, maybe more members will take that road to nowhere with you. It's a lonely road, you'll need company.

Ken