Loookig for MM..
Looking for way to play this...
I Have done some testing...
test are from random org ... so there is no house Edge...

How to Bet On it...?

TEST 1
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TEST 2
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TEST 35
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Guys what do you think ?

Hi Jack,

Even chances? Dozens/Columns?

Thank you for your interest Vic

This's what  I think  to use for  ... Even chances Gambling bet...  RED/Black ...   or
I think to   try   PUNTO/BANCO  or BACCARAT ....

it  seems that Roulette ... Zero is after me
to hunt me down  ... and I think to try another game ...

I don't Bet every "SPIN"
each test was 300 random integers..."1" and "2"

With those sorts of impressive results of some quite sustained streaks (wouldn't that be nice for inside numbers  ...yeah, in our dreams...) it would be easy enough to work out a parlay method where you keep a bit in your pocket each time.

For example, on EC betting:

Bet 1:  1 unit   Win

Bet 2:  2 units Win

Now, instead of Bet 3:  4 units  you bet 3 units (keep 1 unit profit in your pocket)...

So...Bet 3:  3 units  Win

Bet 4:  4 units   (this time keeping another 2 units profit in your pocket )...and so on.

After all, you don't know when the streak will end. If you roll over ALL your winnings each time you could easily end up losing the lot !  That's a waste of time,  and you're leaving good profits on the table.

Hopefully I've explained that well enough, BJ, for you to get the idea, and introduce your own tweaks.

Quote from: BetJack on October 27, 2015, 12:23:03 PM
Loookig for MM..
Looking for way to play this...
I Have done some testing...
test are from random org ... so there is no house Edge...

How to Bet On it...?

TEST 1
LWLWLLWLWLWWWWLLLLWLWWWWWLLWLWLLLWWWLWWWWWWWLW
TEST 2
LWWLLWLLLLLWLWWWLLLWLWLWWWLLLWLWLWLLLLLWWLWLLWLWLWWLLLWLWLWWWLW
TEST 3
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TEST 4
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TEST 5
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TEST 6
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TEST 8
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TEST 23
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TEST 24
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TEST 35
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Guys what do you think ?

If you can achieve at least 45% win rate with no losing streaks longer than 7 WITHOUT having a winning streak of 5 or a few 3s or 4s, the D'alambert is probably the best MM to use.  It's hard to reach table max.  I include a reset after going pass 6 units.  I would use more than 6 units until I break even or up a few units after using a bet that is 6 units or more.  You will need a huge bankroll.  For a $10 base bet, I would say 5K.

I can achieving 45% consistently using a mechanical bet selection is the hardest part to achieve.  I can do that using a non mechanical bet selection but the number of hands played is very minimal (about 10 bets in 80 hands).  The win is too little for all the time wasted. 

The star style would do well bucking up against those outcome, hey hey.

Quote from: BetJack on October 27, 2015, 12:23:03 PM
Loookig for MM..
Looking for way to play this...
I Have done some testing...
test are from random org ... so there is no house Edge...

How to Bet On it...?

TEST 1
LWLWLLWLWLWWWWLLLLWLWWWWWLLWLWLLLWWWLWWWWWWWLW
TEST 2
LWWLLWLLLLLWLWWWLLLWLWLWWWLLLWLWLWLLLLLWWLWLLWLWLWWLLLWLWLWWWLW
TEST 3
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TEST 4
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TEST 5
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TEST 6
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TEST 35
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Guys what do you think ?

Quote from: NoRegret on October 29, 2015, 05:08:44 AM
If you can achieve at least 45% win rate with no losing streaks longer than 7 WITHOUT having a winning streak of 5 or a few 3s or 4s, the D'alambert is probably the best MM to use.  It's hard to reach table max.  I include a reset after going pass 6 units.  I would use more than 6 units until I break even or up a few units after using a bet that is 6 units or more.  You will need a huge bankroll.  For a $10 base bet, I would say 5K.

I can achieving 45% consistently using a mechanical bet selection is the hardest part to achieve.  I can do that using a non mechanical bet selection but the number of hands played is very minimal (about 10 bets in 80 hands).  The win is too little for all the time wasted.

BetJack,

See attached file using two of your results.  One with long losing streak and reset
See attached file. 

Quote from: BetJack on October 27, 2015, 12:23:03 PM
Loookig for MM..
Looking for way to play this...
I Have done some testing...
test are from random org ... so there is no house Edge...

How to Bet On it...?


TEST 4
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TEST 5
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TEST 32
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TEST 34
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TEST 35
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Guys what do you think ?

Try  this :

( vW  virtual win) start with vW, stop at 2Ls

TEST 1
LvWL1WL1L2stop vWL1WL1WWWWL1L2stop LLvWL1WWWWWL1L2stop vWL1WL1L2stop LvWWWL1WWWWWWWL1W

TEST 2
LvWWL1L2stop vWL1L2stop LLLvWL1WWWL1L2stop LvWL1WL1WWWL1L2stop LvWL1WL1WL1L2stop LLLvWWL1WL1L2stop
vWL1WL1WWL1L2stop LvWL1WL1WWWL1W

TEST 3
vWWL1L2stop LLvWWWL1WL1L2stop LLvWWL1WL1L2stop vLWWL1L2stop LLLLvWL1WWWL1WWL1WL1L2stop
vWWWL1WWL1WWWWL1WW

Progressions:

1.  +1 after W / -1 after L    ,  or
2.   +1 after L /  bet same after W    , or
3.   +1 after L / -1 after W

For all 3 progresions:
Reset to 1 unit when new high in bankroll ( or when recovered around 50%....70% from loses)

cheers

If any of you have the time or inclination you might count the W and L's i terms of their lengths per 75 decisions and compute the average run lengths of each length.  My guess is you will find close to average run lengths.  The point being there is no progression or bet style ( You call that MM, I don't) that will produce a greater profit relative to risk of each.

J

:-)
Guys, I do not know if this is the answer to my question , but thank you all...
if somebody has other ideas. please  post them ....
:-)