Hi all respected members,
Below an OLD well-known,  progression strategy. 
I post, to refreshen our debates skills.

It is based on the dreaded MARTHY.
And will LOSE, if u win less than 5-hits in 20spins!!!
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We will have a chart like this.

1st bet,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,
6th, 7th,8th,9th,10th,
11th,12th,13th,14th,15th,
16th,17th,18th,19th,20th BET.

[1st mean first bet,
2nd mean second bet, so on...]


and we bet MARTHY in vertical.

11111,[unit]
22222,
44444,
88888,

1st[bet1],2nd[1],3rd[1],4th[1],5th[1],
6th[2],7th[2],8th[2],9th[2],10th[2],
11th[4],12th[4],13th[4],14th[4],15th[4],
16th[8],17th[8],18th[8],19th[8],20th[8].

This mean if happen to have a streaks of 15losses, and then just 5streaks of win, we will win 5unit.

EXAMPLE BELOW.

L=LOSE, W=WIN.

L1L1L1L1L1,
L2L2L2L2L2,
L4L4L4L4L4,
W8W8W8W8W8=WIN 5UNIT.

L1L1L1L1L1,lose=5unit
L2L2L2L2L2,lose=10.
L4L4L4L4L4,lose=20.
W8W8W8W8W8=WIN 5UNIT.
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and for more complex bet...

X=NO BET.[SKIP]

L  L  L L L
WWWWW CLOSED.=WIN 5UNIT.


LWLWL
WXWXW  CLOSED.=WIN 5UNIT.


LLWWW
WWXXX  CLOSED.=WIN 5UNIT.


LWLLL
LXLLW
WXLLX
XXWWX CLOSED.=WIN 5UNIT.

LLLLL
LLLLL
WLWLW
XWXWX CLOSED.=WIN 5UNIT.

The DEBACLE?,
is when win less than 5hit/20spins!!!


What U think?
Any SUGGESTTION?
lets debate,
Thanks in advance.

if in 20 spins, 15 losses are followed by 5 wins, even basic Oscar Grind will bring you to break even(-15,+1+2+3+4+5). A parlay can make you earn huge but the question is expecting a 1/32 event( WWWWW of your chosen EC) to happen just for you, when u need, is not so wise.
                Those who expect cluster of wins that should offset previous losses keep waiting till golden day comes. After a very bad stretch, never expect an equally great cluster. You can merely expect average hit rate thereafter. That is the core of "regression towards mean" and "law of large numbers". What you are expecting, is a fallacy.

Thanks Sir for your replies.
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Lets Debates!

IN a 100spins.
u will need AT LEAST 34HITS
"Scattered" in 102spins.

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW=WIN34U
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IF 33HIT, U NEED 99SPINS max...

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example of oversimplified
win and losesequence

LWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLWLW
WXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXWXW

=WIN 34U.
x=no bet.

oversimplified:
only 34win in 64 spins. instead of 102 ,
x=no bet
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example of only 2hit in 10 spins
=suicidal thou...IF only 1 hit , or NONE in 10 spin.
hahaha!!!

11
22
44
88, thus if only 2hit=

LL
WL
XL
XL
XW =WIN 2U...
X= NO BET.

lets debate if u feel so...
no hold barred...

LETS SAY,we hit
"expect average hit"

say, 7random hit in 20 spins



[LLWLWLLWLWLLWLLWLLWL]

LLWLW
LLxWx
LWxxx
Lxxxx
Lxxxx
W=====win after only 5hit.
the debacle is when the L becomes too long!
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how about 10in a row?

say, 7random hit in 20 spins



[LLWLWLLWLWLLWLLWLLWL]


L L W L W L L W L W
L L x W x  L L x W x
L L X X  X W L

[X=NO BET]
FAILED TO CLOSED!!

10 IN ROW ONLY FOR = OR >10HIT.
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how about 7in a row?

say, 7random hit in 20 spins


[LLWLWLLWLWLLWLLWLLWL]

LLWLWLL
WLXWXLL
XWXXXLL
XXXXXWL
XXXXXXL
XXXXXXWL

[X=NO BET]
win after only 7hit.
the debacle is when the L becomes too long!
PHEW!
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  3 hit in 20 spins?

Randomness will shuffle the wins and losses in any manner that may not suit you. Although there is a virtual limit of it but you can not beat all probabilities that worst hit rate can offer you.
                 Do not put/arrange wins/losses are per your system, otherwise you will be beating everything under the sun, in your hypothetical world. In real world, they will only disappoint you.

Thanks Sir, for your reply.
Appreciate them.
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Lets DEBATE what I think Albalaha mean:

"Randomness will shuffle the wins and losses in any manner that may not suit you."

Does he mean that no progression method or strategy may win all permutation of possibilities?

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"Although there is a virtual limit of it but you can not beat all probabilities that worst hit rate can offer you."

I think, he mean that....Though there is limit of possible permutation of outcome.
eg, There may, '1 red and 19 black in 20spins', BUT there will NEVER "Only 1 red/199 black in 200spins!"

You still can't bet the worst possible permutation...say 69red in 200 spins, without going overboard.
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"Do not put/arrange wins/losses are per your system, otherwise you will be beating everything under the sun, in your hypothetical world. In real world, they will only disappoint you."

I think, he mean that... there  no progression available to win all possible outcome constantly.
So what the possibilities of 'random-opportunity' to be EXPLOITED, and how to utilize a 'certain progression' AND 'cut-loss', to win more than you possibly lose???

I try very hard to understand what he really mean...

Anyone dares to debate?

In testing RNG spins, you can get much worse than only 69 wins in 200 spins for EC's.  I recall seeing less than 60 wins, but that is very rare. 

Randomness has no limits. 

Thanks Gentlemen,
for yr replies,

The 69/200 is here, from spin 34th.
it an official record, yet to be surpassed. BUT u may win with, SURPRISE...marthy!!!

http://www.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/hamburg-1999-1/hamburg-25-10-1999-1/permanence-table

RNG is computer generated, and u will see even 0/200.

I think we need to think out of box to fight random.
Just like farmers plant when the season is right, and fishermen  sail the sea when the weather is right, stay at home when the sea is rough...

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 13, 2014, 12:01:29 AM
I think we need to think out of box to fight random.
Just like farmers plant when the season is right, and fishermen  sail the sea when the weather is right, stay at home when the sea is rough...

Turn it on it's head BTW.

When the sea is rough, the casino is vulnerable as well. In fact, S.S. Casino has no choice but to sail into the storm. We as players can navigate our way around it.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 13, 2014, 12:01:29 AM
Thanks Gentlemen,
for yr replies,

The 69/200 is here, from spin 34th.
it an official record, yet to be surpassed. BUT u may win with, SURPRISE...marthy!!!

http://www.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/hamburg-1999-1/hamburg-25-10-1999-1/permanence-table

RNG is computer generated, and u will see even 0/200.

I think we need to think out of box to fight random.
Just like farmers plant when the season is right, and fishermen  sail the sea when the weather is right, stay at home when the sea is rough...

Just as likely to see 0/200 in RNG as Real spins, assuming you are testing the same amount for both.