Well done!  And thanks for sharing this.

Love the title.  Love the fact that it's flat betting only.

Those who think flat betting is a no-no really should keep an open mind.  [Perhaps they're members of the flat earth society as well?]

One particular member of this forum only flat bets on small groups of inside numbers, and is waaaaaaaaay ahead at several B&M casinos he visits.

Another very clever member, in conjunction with a test-team, is developing an amazing platform that is making impressive profits both B&M and online [live wheels]... using flat bets only.

And now Atlantis is also pointing the way forward. 

Quote from: esoito on July 18, 2017, 03:24:10 AM


Those who think flat betting is a no-no really should keep an open mind.  [Perhaps they're members of the flat earth society as well?]

One particular member of this forum only flat bets on small groups of inside numbers, and is waaaaaaaaay ahead at several B&M casinos he visits.

You are talking about flat betting on groups of numbers that give you win of 36 times.  Trying winning flat betting on outside bets.  (So you're a flat Earther?)

So who are the winners?  Did they demonstrate this or just self proclaiming?   


I almost reach the million dollar mark playing Baccarat.  Currently at $760,000.

Quote from: Chimp on July 18, 2017, 04:35:13 AM
So who are the winners?  Did they demonstrate this or just self proclaiming?   

Good questions. 

1  They'll reveal themselves if they wish to. Not for me to do that.

2  Definitely demonstrated -- and not self-proclaimed -- on inside numbers only.

QuoteI almost reach the million dollar mark playing Baccarat.  Currently at $760,000.

Respect 

Quote from: Chimp on July 18, 2017, 04:35:13 AM
I almost reach the million dollar mark playing Baccarat.  Currently at $760,000.

Have you demonstrated this or are you just self-proclaiming? 

Quote from: Mike on July 18, 2017, 01:15:52 PM
Have you demonstrated this or are you just self-proclaiming? 

Of all people, I didn't think it would be you to miss my point.  I have faith that you will once you read the post again.

You are one of few people I actually respect for keeping things real.

Chimp,

Maybe I did miss your point, but I don't know what you mean by this:

QuoteYou are talking about flat betting on groups of numbers that give you win of 36 times.

If you mean that the relatively high payouts of betting on a few numbers compared to Baccarat odds of 1:1 gives you a better chance of winning with flat bets on a few numbers, that's not correct.

Is that what you mean? 

Quote from: Mike on July 18, 2017, 03:43:48 PM
Chimp,

Maybe I did miss your point, but I don't know what you mean by this:

If you mean that the relatively high payouts of betting on a few numbers compared to Baccarat odds of 1:1 gives you a better chance of winning with flat bets on a few numbers, that's not correct.

Is that what you mean?

No, I think almost anyone here will understand that you can't beat it flat betting on a 1:1 payout.  Even Esoito knows.  It's only the delusional that claim they can.  It's hard enough trying to win using progressions.

I was trying to make a point that anyone can boast about anything on the internet.  No, I didn't win $760K.   I've came across people on forums boasting about how good they are and then go around asking for sponsors.

Over the years that I've played, I have countless people boasting until they can't boast anymore.  They used to play with 5K-50K but could no longer do that.  Doesn't matter how hard you try to boast, you can only do it for so long.  When you are broke, you can't pull money out of thin air to continue your boasting.

I think it was Mike who commented that people were wising up with regards to the house edge. I agree with this. Let's face it. It doesn't matter how you arrive at your bet selection, if you bet 12 straight up numbers on a single zero wheel and only get paid 35/1 on a win, you are short by 1 chip from a fair pay-out. Is that negotiable? No!! At least not at any of the B+M casinos that I visit. So the only wiggle room that I see is that someone can predict the results more accurately within the framework of spins/cards dealt. Even if true, you could obviously still argue that the house edge was not defeated! It's still there lurking in the background. It kind of makes me wonder on reflection why a guy like Leibon even entertained someone like Ellison with his claims of a 7% edge with his '3qa' strategy. Anyway, we all live and learn. So the question to my mind at least is how does a player attack the framework to predict better than the uneven pay-out. Would timing the bet selection be the most important criteria? Magical beliefs and even plenty of hard study won't improve anybody's game if they can't face up to the reality/truth of the situation.

cheers

@Chimp

Just to clarify...When I noted "Those who think flat betting is a no-no really should keep an open mind."  that was for inside numbers -- definitely not EC !!

That was why I went on mention the 2 successful members who flat bet groups of inside numbers only.

I've been single numbers and only flat betting for nearly a year now.  The odd loss, but wins outweigh the losses by a big margin.

I agree inside numbers are slightly different. Anybody with half a brain should be able to drill down and isolate why a number appeared. Then it's just a case of reverse-engineering the results and trying to find a good way to attack it. I kind of found a way to do it years ago! However, I ended up betting too many numbers and betting nearly every spin didn't help either. Some people don't think stats can be used or are helpful. I think they can be used as a loose framework as long as you don't get into a rigid frame of mind. (hence my signature)

It's kind of ironic because Mr J says to bet between 2-4 numbers. I found betting a street (3 numbers) works great if you are limited by time. Digging down further to isolate that single number takes time and can you trust the RNG which gives you as much time as you like before you hit the button. It's why I like the 'admiral panther pinball' roulette machines in the B+M casinos. You can take all the time you like and they act like any other live wheel.

cheers

This is the tweak I am currently testing...

I ONLY increase bets when I get 3 losing games more than the winning games AND IF I am behind eg:

Start of Session
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@1 = L2 L2 L2 =  (L-6)

3L;0w  -  total of 3 losing games and behind so increase bets by @1 and retrack W/L registry:

@2 = (L6)  - L4 L4 W8 W8 = (W+2) - if getting ahead at ANY TIME during recovery reduce to @1 and retrack W/L registry:

@1 = (W2) - L2 W2 L2 W4 L2 W4 W2 L2 W2 L2 L2 W4 L2 L2 L2  (W+2)

9L;6W - total of 3 games behind - but because still ahead +2 stay @1

and retrack W/L registry:

@1 = (W2) - W4 W2 W4 W2 - decided to stop at +14pts profit

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I realize I have transcribed those above results wrongly. I can't edit it due to forum restriction now... so will post an amendment later.

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