Prominent German pro Fedor Holz has called out two well-known high-staked Brazilian pros for colluding during the final table of a recent high-stakes tourney on 888poker. The two Brazilians, Rodrigo "seijistar1" Seiji and Rodrigo "serouan1991" Serouan, were among the final five players in an event on 888's global online site.

Holz posted on his "@crownupguy" Twitter account, early on Christmas Day, "A pretty obvious collusion spot including Seijistar on a big 1K FT vs his friend Selouan. They are part of a Brazilian HS group that work together called '9Tales'. Cheating sucks. I think every HS reg that doesn't cheat.

Holz replied to his own post, further clarifying the alleged cheat. "In case It isn't clear, AJ folds. They probably weren't aware it's live-streamed with cards up."

Holz said the two Brazilians are good friends, and he accused Seij of making the way-against-the-odds fold to allow Serouan to take the pot and stay in the event. That Holz's accusation also mentions that several Brazilians are involved in a high-stakes cheating team, known as "9Tales", adds urgency to the situation.

888 responds within hours, promises investigation

888 quickly responded to Holz's claims on Twitter, noting that an investigation will begin immediately. 888 promised a review not only of the hand in question, but of other action between the two Rodrigos.

Any type of collusion is in clear violation of our user agreement.
We are reviewing this hand and others played between these two players. We are contacting the players to better understand their POV. We will be in touch with the players and act upon our investigation results.

Neither Seiji nor Serouan appear to have been suspended as yet by 888Poker. Should the collusion allegations be proven out, Seiji appears to be in the worst situation regarding possible sanctions.

Another of the players at the table "Panxetillo", was quickly alerted to Holz's own thread and posted his own thoughts. "Hi I'm Panxetillo," he wrote. "That hand was very suspicious, I didn't know they worked together in 9tales, so it makes sense now. Thanks for expose this case, we have to kick out people who cheat and collusion for the sake of poker. I hope @888poker investigate this and take action. Cheers!"

Such collusion remains a problem that poker has found difficult to eradicate. A Brazilian poker outlet has reportedly received a quote from Seiji stating that he "misjudged the situation," believing Serouan had a much stronger hand due to ICM factors. However, that likely won't satisfactorily explain Seiji's fold, given hos own strong ace-jack hand and the pot odds he was already receiving to call.

I made a post about online casinos some time ago on the link below.........online8or9   reply #3


Maybe worth re-reading it.

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11132.msg69357#msg69357

Here is the post if you can not find it on the link:



The problem with online casinos is that the result of a decision ( player or banker in baccarat, or the spin of a roulette wheel etc ) is not dependent on the hand dealt by a deck of cards or the spin of a roulette wheel, but the result is determined by the RNG and the cards or the roulette ball is displayed according to the result of the RNG ,,,,and the RNG knows in advance how much is bet on player or banker or how much is bet on a roulette number or even chance.

Personally i would have to be crazy to play that type of game.

At least with live land based casinos, you are assured of getting an honest game ( doesn't mean you will win, but at least you didn't get cheated.)  And you don't have to wait 1 or 2 weeks to get your money,,,you can cash out in a few minutes and you don't have to worry about the online casino stealing your money such as this famous case involving online poker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Tilt_Poker

Actually in high stakes poker, you have a very good chance of being cheated in a live casino poker game or a home live game  where 2 or more players are playing as a team and giving signals to each other as far as to what cards they are holding as well as various other means of cheating.

Basically it all means you can't trust any company or any person when money is involved.,,,,,especially lots of money.

Great post and so true 8OR9.

This kind of collusion is just disheartening for the poker community. It's great that Fedor Holz called it out, and it's important for 888Poker to thoroughly investigate and take action if cheating is confirmed.

To "make a living" playing poker and being able to pay your monthly bills as well as having to be a profitable player in the long run, you have to play at relatively high stakes ......and unfortunately the higher up you go in stakes, the higher the probability you will be cheated in the live games.

Also, for you to succeed in poker in the long run, you have to be more experienced and better "poker educated " and be a higher skill level than at least 6 or 7 players at your table of 10 players..

If just about 8 0r 9 players at the table are at the same or higher skill level than you, then you will be guaranteed to lose in the long run to the better players and the casino rake which is taken out for each pot.

Numerous poker simulations in which you can adjust the skill level of the players so that all the players have the same high skill level have shown that everyone will lose in the long run as the money just flows around the table and the casino rake ends up with all the money,

Today, most players are better educated in the game, there are numerous courses, books, poker schools, poker coaches etc etc etc where a bad poker player can become a reasonably  good average player.........and not a fish.

That's why most professional players will not play at a table if they recognize most of the players at the table are at his skill and experience level. It's just a waste of time and money.....so now they will only play at tables with bad players........"bum hunting" as they call it.

Playing poker for a living is about the same as playing blackjack for a living where a 
 21 now plays 6 to 5 instead of 3 to 2 or playing roulette which now has in some casinos a 000 in addition to a 00 and a 0.......casino advantage about 8 %.

If you think you can make a living playing poker, my advice is to listen to your mother and become a dentist or an accountant.

QuoteThis kind of collusion is just disheartening for the poker community. It's great that Fedor Holz called it out, and it's important for 888Poker to thoroughly investigate and take action if cheating is confirmed.

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