I understand Real money RNGs work on a preset win-percentage.  It is just hard to figure out what has changed from minute to minute (like if someone playing at an online *or even B&M slot-type machine*) lets say someone wins a jackpot.  The casino/oc has to recoup their money, so I figure the win-percentage gets smaller for the player.

There was a posting from Victor about the actual
hardware from an RNG on this (can't find the topic).

I saw a woman win $35,000 in Tunica, Mississippi.  How did the casino recoup that loss?

Sam....Lloyds TSB Bank UK announced a bad year....only made 1.5 Billion profit....1 billion down


Same thing.

QuoteI understand Real money RNGs work on a preset win-percentage

I don't think you do, rogue casinos may manipulate when they are behind, but to cover all real money RNGs with one stroke is naive, random and maths make sure they earn their percentage

Quote from: TwoCatSam on August 09, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
I saw a woman win $35,000 in Tunica, Mississippi.  How did the casino recoup that loss?

Probably with the $38k they took off others! 

And not only that, but don't most (not all -- most) gamblers end up giving back their winnings in undisciplined dribs and drabs?

That statistical edge the casinos have keeps them as happy as an Oklahoma buzzard in a gut truck.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on August 09, 2013, 09:02:59 PM
I saw a woman win $35,000 in Tunica, Mississippi.  How did the casino recoup that loss?

I suspect the casino was several hundred thousand dollars ahead of their pre-set guaranteed profit for the day.

I don't think you do, rogue casinos may manipulate when they are behind, but to cover all real money RNGs with one stroke is naive, random and maths make sure they earn their percentage-Superman

All casinos are rogue by nature, hence the unfair payouts on games.

My point is with an RNG gambling game the owner can know (with a few
keystrokes) how far ahead of the pre-set profit percentage the casino is at any given time.
*and jackpots are pre-determined up to the milisecond weeks maybe months in advance.

I differ here. House edge, variance and ignorant players are themselves sufficient to ensure net profit for a casino. Do you guys feel that live dealer casinos are less likely to earn than a casino having RNG only?
       They do not need to manipulate to earn and they can't manipulate in most cases. All these are excuses to save face if someone can't win, in long run.

Esoito

I like that buzzard analogy.

The lady left with $35,000.  Her friend almost drug her away.

Yes, the casino made up the loss off others.  Why can't RNG do the same?  That was my point.

Sam

TwoCat, I'm right here. 

With Live games, I'm thinking anytime there are 'significant' losses, casinos can close the table for
"maintenance"--or in case of a B&M oust the big winner--or offer an incentive for players to try the RNG games.

I'm trying to figure out at what point (since online casinos) real money RNGs stop allowing wins for a player or give another player a 'random' jackpot.

They do not need to manipulate to earn and they can't manipulate in most cases.--Al

Casinos are genuises at manipulating games imo.  They have to stay ahead of enterprising players just in case.
Their manipulations kill the math argument.

I think in all fairness it has been discussed over and over, majority of players play at BetVoyager who use the SHA key, yes playtech and the others CAN and in my opinion WOULD deliver a losing number to claw back funds, we've agreed on that for years. Why do we keep debating it??

There are certain individual here that can't wait for someone to mention RNG so they can blow their own trumpet, then there's others here who are constantly beating an RNG, go figure

PS get rid of these stupid green arrows

I guess my bent is this:  I play RNG (BV) for real money.  I think they are honest.  I hope they are honest.  And I'm smart enough to know that what I think and what I hope doesn't mean diddly-squat.

So I'll leave it at that and accept Proof's statement as fact:  He is right.

Sam

Proof

Not trying to rag on you here, but do you have any proof that RNGs are fixed/crooked?  Especially BV?  Do you believe the SHA-256 is "etched in stone" and cannot be manipulated?

Anyone?

Sam

There's no arguing with paranoia. And no, the SHA can't be manipulated.

...but do you have any proof that RNGs are fixed/crooked?  Especially BV?  Do
you believe the SHA-256 is "etched in stone" and cannot be manipulated?--TwoCat

I do not have any proof.  I have from experience seen highly irregular repeating numbers from RNG that do not occur
on a Live Wheel. I've also had systems to win for several weeks then all of a sudden not ever work again on a RNG.

I have not played enough on BetVoyager games to make a determination.

Thank you, Bayes.