Quote from: Juiced91 on January 16, 2013, 07:58:08 AM
Im stating the simple fact that you want to play with pennies and that would not make it a worthwhile option.

There may be people with 500-1000Euro to invest but unfortunately that would be a stretch for many of us( i would assume) and that's not including the purchase of the bot.

I have always wondered why your still around if youve beaten roulette. Go out and make your money. Its like you enjoy sitting here just to tell us "AHH I've beaten roulette, look at all my claims" blah blah.

If you want to earn millions of Euros by playing with cents, u can't.

More than one methods would pass a very large number of spins, if the spread is as at BV. 1 to 100000.
The likehood of a bust is very small. But the rate it makes the winnings are very small  too, it just has a theoretical value.


If a method do not bet every spin, the waiting spins shall not count, to the extreme you can wait 99% of the spins and bet a "safe" way for a small gain with near 100% certain to go plus.


Still a 100 foolproof method can never be done, still we find winners, winners who do not struggle million spins for near nothing. 


10 million spins can never be repeat in zillions of years, and there is zilloions of path trough, all will not work, if 2/3 works, you try 12 times you do not know more than a player knows seeing  12 2/3 chances in a row. So the chance of double the bankroll is faster and more realistic in this case play different. There are methods to find out the chance of ruin without testing an near infinite numbers of spins. The fact it will take days and years to find out if you won a double bankroll, or get the knowing faster, has just the time as differ, If anybody like to wait, then use such methods.

If nothing can win in long run, are we here to just tell stories? This is a technique of proportional risk and we are not risking 1000s to win 1 unit. If somebody has anything even remotely equal to this, please come forward and enlighten all. Many are saying it is not earning enough to be played. I ask one serious question, if we play 7 on 1 with 1 cent bets on bv, it will take more than a month to earn Euro 1. If someone is dreaming to win millions of spins with 100 units in pocket, go and daydream about that.

Well i don't want my bankroll to be worth a million to win a million as if i had that million i more than likely wouldn't be here.
Im not saying people with money don't gamble, as those people don't care how much they lose, im saying i might not have the bankroll required to play this. 1 euro a day wouldn't cover my internet bill

Im glad you're going to go and sell everything you have so that you can win a few units and also at a table with 8000+ limit.

Im very happy you found a "profitable" method, it has given me new hope to try harder and find something similar .

Quote from: albalaha on January 16, 2013, 08:42:48 AM
If nothing can win in long run, are we here to just tell stories? This is a technique of proportional risk and we are not risking 1000s to win 1 unit. If somebody has anything even remotely equal to this, please come forward and enlighten all. Many are saying it is not earning enough to be played. I ask one serious question, if we play 7 on 1 with 1 cent bets on bv, it will take more than a month to earn Euro 1. If someone is dreaming to win millions of spins with 100 units in pocket, go and daydream about that.

Albahala nobody is saying this doesn't win.We are saying its use in the real world with the average gambler is unrealistic.

The time and size of BR required mean it will stay locked for use on an RNG for small gains.

7 On 1 is not that slow. I can get 5 games an hour alot of the time just from swapping tables. And its now 945/0. Live this method is on its own all things considered.

JL,
    The time that u need to make a bet in real casino we can make 50 bets in playtech. Come up with anything even remotely capable of doing like this and then compare.

Quote from: Robeenhuut on January 16, 2013, 07:07:10 AM
You can pass with Reversed Labby 1M mark. If you play with 0.01u and 200u BR you can handle large draw downs. Hardly any new stuff. 

Picture or it didn't happen.

that's actually good.
What system is this exactly?

Anyone else got something similar?
We could combine them.

I have an idea! 

Why don't 10 of us stick in 100 euros.

This would give us 10,000 units playing 0.10 cent units.

The challenge would be to get through 1 million spins!

Looking at the figures suggests we would end up with a finishing balance of roughly 3,000 euros. This means we have tripled our bank. I would be happy to get back 100% profit on my investment and I don't really care how the rest gets split up.

Think about how far you could go if this was rock solid and you compounded a percentage of your profits over time.


just an idea!

that's good idea. Just let me implement playtech....

BTW: anyone got some account this could be done? On casino where there is no problems with withdrawals?

Quote from: albalaha on January 16, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
JL,
    The time that u need to make a bet in real casino we can make 50 bets in playtech. Come up with anything even remotely capable of doing like this and then compare.

Yes but 50 what. When im playing for myself I can make over 50 British pounds in an hour.

If you give me a 10,000 unit bankroll. Any number of methods could be made supernova proof.

This isn't the objective for me on these forums. The idea is to come up with an affordable compromise. For players who can't play online and don't have alot of money to start with.

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 16, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
If you give me a 10,000 unit bankroll. Any number of methods could be made supernova proof.

1. I said u don't need 10 000 at least 3 times already.
2. I will give u 10 000 units if u give me methods that will survive 10million spins with it. WITHOUT HAR VOODOO.

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Albalaha, if I managed PB with a 10,000 unit BR it will become a holy grail instantly through sheer money management. Simply using multiple betting levels. Its easy to do.
there's no magic here. Ideally everyone should bring a huge BR to the party. But everyone doesn't have 10,000 units.
Juiced spoke of an 8,000 unit drawdown. PB would never ever drawdown even 1,000 units if its money managed properly.
Look what Subby has done with zero MM. Put 10,000 units there and play for 2 unit points. And you have a HG.

So... what is the MM for PB? i will run it in a second in MST on those 3million spins.

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Ophis 7 ON 1 survived 5 million spins on an RNG with no H.A.R Voodoo. Why do you think that's anything special?

What ... where? 5?

Quote from: Bayes on January 14, 2013, 01:39:07 PM
Well, it actually HASN'T done that well, because I didn't incorporate the zero factor. This must push up the number of busts, which theoretically would be enough to put the results negative, but even so, I've never seen a system which has done as well even on a no-zero wheel.

So when I upload the actuals file/results, I'll make sure I've taken account of the zero so you get the true picture.

1 million and... read again:
"Well, it actually HASN'T done that well, because I didn't incorporate the zero factor. "

But if the results will be confirmed... then yes.

Quote from: Ophis on January 16, 2013, 01:49:30 PM
And stop deleting your posts John because its breaking the forum...

Breaking what?  I will work out the mm for PB and give it to you later.

Regardless 7 ON 1 is a LIVE WHEEL method. And with this H.A.R voodoo as you call it im 945/0

The point is even if there were 50 losses average in a million spin sample. I HAVE TO LAND DEAD ON TOP of one of them. No easy thing.

What im saying here is the power of H.A.R couldnt be shown to maximum effect with PB. The odds are very small.

But with 7 ON 1 its another story. If bayes only hit 30 odd losses in a million. I expect to go no worse than 15. By the time I've played 10,000 games.

And being 945/0 already. This is looking more than likely.