BEAT-THE-WHEEL,

Many years ago (around 1990) I bought a book called 'How to win at roulette and blackjack' by Roy Ward Dickson. It's still one of my favourites because of the candid style it was written in.
Nobody to my mind has yet to trump what Dickson reiterated at just about the end of every chapter and the message was ''don't go against what the wheel is doing.''

25 years has passed since then and my objective has mostly stayed the same and that is to find different concepts running parallel with each other so that I can take advantage of Dickson's mantra should the opportunity arise.

Read part of my signature.....''What you don't know and don't do will be your undoing.''

Somebody new coming along and reading Dickson's book and taking to heart about not playing against the wheel will not have the same level of understanding of what that means that someone else does with 25 years of experience under their belt.

That's as good as I can explain it.

Good luck to you BTW and Merry Christmas.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 16, 2015, 08:21:03 AM

if the wheel very balanced,
in a long spins...say, 100spins.

then all parts of the wheel will have,
almost EQUAL hits.

if the wheel imbalance BIASED,
then a certain part/parts,
will have MORE hit than the other part/parts.

this is some fact YOU need to ponder before you move on.

Hello BTW,

This was from yesterday.

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I don't look at this and think the wheel is biased. It's just the 'law' of disproportionate occurrence at work. This is the way it mostly goes or at least you can find one characteristic working like this more often than not if you look hard enough. The casinos would have went extinct a long time ago if the 'long run' were truly replicated in the 'short run'.

Just remember ''though the whole is still equal to the sum of its parts, the parts  themselves are not simply abbreviated versions of that whole''.

cheers

Cheers Gizmo.

Timing is such an important part of the game. Nobody can change the infinite probability model, but what you can do is carve it up or dissect it and then take out the pieces that you are interested in. Since we are in control of ourselves, we can harvest our desired crop when it becomes available.

I vote for Bet Selection, timing and MM in that order.

The timing of bets doesn't get that much mention on forums. Most people tend to stick to Bet Selection or MM. Fair play to Victor who did talk about dispersion surfing many years ago.

cheers.

Thanks Rich for uploading the pinwheel. 

I know this post is over 2 years old......but thanks Sputnik. I was looking for a hold 'em simulator and this is not bad just to get used to the game.

A few of my buddies travel around a few of the local tournaments where the prize money is not that bad. (The 'Dusk till Dawn' club in Nottingham have a £30,000 or Porsche First prize for a £100 entry fee  )

A few books which I am reading are Doyle Brunson's 'Super System 2' and Mike Caro's 'hold 'em secrets'. Both very good with a lot of info.

Cheers

Quote from: Gizmotron on October 31, 2015, 05:41:12 PM
The trick is to focus on the effectiveness while using the bet selection process as a mechanism only. Bet big when it works, bet small when it's mediocre or bad.

Great to see you are still around Gizmotron.

The quote above sounds like everyone should know it and it makes perfect sense. Yet, I see the majority of players do the exact opposite.

cheers

Hello Kimo,

I always kind of knew about your work having read various snippets of info down the years. A lot of my previous ideas were pretty convoluted and it's only recently that I have streamlined things and now use a more visual approach as opposed to a stats approach. I think it's better this way because it still allows me to see what's happening. That's what I like about your work. I can see the ''arrowheads'' and ''boomerangs'' just by looking at the table layout.

One thing I noticed which looks worth exploring is how you can use the pinwheel concept with the arrowheads and boomerangs. Looking at the 4 groups in the spreadsheet below, you can see that the 1+4, 2+5 and 3+6 are identical in all 4 groups. So a pinwheel bet here would only consist of 12 numbers to bet.

Anyway, I am having some fun looking to twist and turn things and see what I can come up with. You must have a keen eye for detail Kimo to have been able to spot all these neat arrangements.

Thanks again.

Finally got the book and it's fascinating. I am working my way through it trying to get a good understanding of things. Just the arrowhead and boomerang concept alone looks good for developing a few different strategies.

Thank you for writing a very interesting book on roulette Kimo Li. 

Hello Pete,

I have sent away for the book (european version) and should have it delivered within a few days. In the meantime, I am just experimenting with a few different ideas and trying to catch up on all the old threads that I can find about Kimo's work.

The END idea is a good one for isolating a single number. It produced a quickfire winner today when I was checking the Wiesbaden numbers from Table 2.

There were 3 hits each in pie 8 and star 5 after 7 spins leaving number 23 as the intersecting number to bet and up it pops.

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I will post some of my ideas within the next few days on how I try and predict which half of the wheel will appear as well as the colour. That narrows down the bets using the pies and stars. I am encouraged by my results and how I can get a quick win most of the time. I love playing short games. Experience has taught me that you don't want to get involved charting loads of numbers and having too much info to try and decipher. So the approaches that I have worked on so far suit my preferred playing style.

cheers

At first glance, Kimo's matrix can look pretty daunting. But it can be broken down and a lot of things fall neatly into place.

Here is a picture of the matrix.

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One thing that has always interested me on the single zero wheel is the 8 number groups.

There are 4 on each side.

Right hand side:

2,4,6,8,10. (BLACK, EVEN, LOW)
11,13,15,17. (BLACK, ODD, LOW)
19,21,23,25,27. (RED, ODD, HIGH)
30,32,34,36. (RED, EVEN, HIGH)

Left hand side:

1,3,5,7,9. (RED, ODD, LOW)
12,14,16,18. (RED, EVEN, LOW)
20,22,24,26,28. (BLACK, EVEN, HIGH)
29,31,33,35. (BLACK, ODD, HIGH)

Now see what happens when you add the pies and stars to these 8 groups.

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Now that makes the picture a little clearer and can be the basis for further research.

This thread will be looking at some of Kimo Li's work. I had never really looked at any of it up until a few days ago when a few threads popped up on different forums. So I made the effort to trawl through a lot of old stuff and see what I could dig up. I will need to order his book tomorrow and have a study of it.

One thing I found really interesting was Kimo's matrix with the pies and stars. It's both simple and complex at the same time. There was a very good tracker on another forum which I will upload here for anybody who wants to have a look.

This isn't going to turn into a bash Kimo's work thread. I have read the posts where people are saying Kimo never told anyone where to place the bets. It's obvious to me at least from what I have already digested that Kimo must have spent many years researching this game. Nobody would  go to the trouble of writing a book about their research unless they had a real passion to share their ideas. (Don't confuse what I just said with some huckster selling the martingale Version 3,256. There is a huge difference)

Anyway, hopefully this can be a productive thread where anybody already using some of Kimo's work can share some of their findings/strategies as well and we can all learn something new.

cheers

Timing is the key to it all. My local casino runs a 'Big Bank' competition every week where the player with the most consecutive Banker hands wins a nice prize. They obviously didn't read the Wiz's site.  (or maybe they did)

Thanks Kimo,

It's great of you to share it. 

Here is another batch of numbers that I just looked at from Weisbaden.

You can see that the SS has fallen of a cliff!

The SD and DD have come up 24 times from 30. Now that's not bad considering it is roughly an even money bet. You can kind of see the 'chop' effect operating now and again but it's not going berserk like it sometimes does.

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There will be corrections for sure. That's why I say you can't just bet for the DD blindly. I charted like above so I could see pretty quickly what was going on and bet accordingly.

cheers.