Thanks for more info moglizu.

Please don't be discouraged if some players arent catching on. Don't be surprised if the majority of posts on your thread are unkind. I only assume you might not be used to this because you only have a few posts on this forum but perhaps you have been active on the forums with a different username for some time.

The more experienced forumers are used to communicating their roulette methods with visual examples so that there is no room for wording misinterpretations. Roulette is of course simple but being able to communicate a simple concept in words can be tricky.

More visual examples would be great and lead to some interesting conversations. Please don't worry about overexposing your method. A handful of people are paying attention and maybe 1 or 2 will actually play the method live.

May I ask how many sessions you have tested and played live? (roughly how many spins in total)

Looking forward to more of your insights moglizu.

Hello moglizu!

I have been busy with roulette since 2011 so I believe I have a good understanding of things.

However, a quick example of a session would be great to take the discussion further.

ps
welcome to the forum!

Please post a session example moglizu

Hello BA,

You mention that there are parameters which you have not discussed. These parameters have no impact on the method you have described (FHG) or do they? With this I mean, you have shared with us your winning method, we have all the information for this in your method description however, there are some "parameters" which can make playing less time consuming etc. For example what you just mentioned that after a session win we do not have to start all over with tracking but can begin again with the least hit EC.

I hope you have not left out an important aspect of your winning method, without which we can not win longterm.

Hello pb65,


I didn't mean this person should reveal it only that they should use the grail to also do good with not just selfish greed for more money for oneself.


Al, it is possible for Ophis to create a bot which can be rented out. You guys create a website and here people can rent the bot. The bot can be made so that placed bets are not seen as well as the screen. The bot just runs. After a month another payment has to be made.


You can earn much more money this way then playing yourself or having one or two bots play for you.


I don't see why this project could not work.

I don't know Al.


Your debate with others over your grail or their grail will go on for eternity.


You will not reveal your grail or take up a challenge.


I don't think anybody is going to apologize to you.


If you wish to help others regardless of criticism, then you should just start a thread in which you reveal your basics of your grail. State at the beginning of your thread that you will be very selective with answering questions, only polite ones etc.


As for me I wil only pay attention to this new thread, I cannot gain anything from people claiming they have a grail etc etc


I still have to review pockets  method explanation but I assume it exists. He is willing to reveal his grail.


As I have said before if you release a grail only a few will believe you. I mean come on, you have the grail, sure.


You can show all the stats and graphs you want, how can anyone confirm your results. They can't only programmers can. Even if they report back, yes it passes all "somebody" has do to is say, this doesn't work, tested it long term and doubt will be forever there.


If a person does have a grail then I feel this person has a moral obligation to do right. This person can start numerous development projects etc it is not only about this persons financial gain anymore unless they have no conscious.

Hello Al,


It seems that you are very determined to convince others you have a realistic grail for live play.


This debate will go on indefinitely.


I remember when JL took up a challenge and played on the casino account of Superman, I think we all remember this.


The only way you are going to convince anyone you have the grail is to either reveal it ( which only a few will play) or take up a challenge like JL did.


I am sure there will be enough people who will allow you to play on their casino account. All profits go to you. We will have to set win goals etc.


What are your thoughts on how you can realistically convince people you have a grail?

I think this debate of I have a grail, no you don't, will go on indefinitely.


The only reason a person posts that they have a grail is to get recognition., whyelse would you say this.


If you have a grail then you have two reasonable choices, don't say anything and just make money or post your method and become legend.


However, even if you post a grail only a handful of players will recognize this. The casinos are not afraid, an industry that makes several billion per year. A grail will not even dent this figure, only a handful,will play. You can post your method fully explained, with long term tests results etc, only a handful will believe. It is not going to turn the world upside down.


Until a grail barrer posts their method there are only empty words.


If nothing else, play your grail method on one casino for six months, then please post a screen shot of your balance, at least you have something to back up your claims.

I only mean this in a kind way Albalaha.


You have a long term winner which you can play live.


You will not disclose any solid information on how you can accomplish this.


We who do not have a winning method cannot gain anything from your posts except for the possibility that a longterm winner is achievable.


It is time for you to just play and enjoy the profits.


If you wish to coach other players then you have to provide some solid clues, even Sherlock Holmes needs some solid clues.


If I had a long term winner then I would make a final post in which I leave some solid clues for dedicated researchers or I would just leave without a standing ovation.

Awesome ego =:-)

Hello Sputnik!!

In my opinion this is just brilliant analysis, amazing how you see these angles Sputnik.

I have a few ideas but have to work them through.

Looking forward to your next post Sputnik!

Many thanks!! : )

Hello FLAT_IN_O!

How are you playing at the moment and what has been your most successful approach to the game?

Here is the test data Esoito:

"A 30 million single zero RNG test, 361 086 games (whenever a number repeats, a new session is started)"

2    9799
3    19199
4    26712
5    33099
6    36817
7    38117
8    37424
9    34613
10    30241
11    25616
12    20579
13    15855
14    11481
15    8103
16    5429
17    3428
18    2057
19    1187
20    665
21    372
22    165
23    79
24    35
25    10
26    3
27    0
28    1

MEAN        8.308740854
MEDIAN        8

Max number of spins before a repeat is 28.


Looking at the data now I think the max number of consecutive session could be around 15 or so

How many consecutive 8 spin sessions do you think there can be max before we have a 8 spin session in which one number repeats?

What are your estimations?

My guess is no more then 6 or 7 sessions???

Example:

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8    8 spins and not one number repeated   (1 session)

again

1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8    8 spins and not one number repeated   (2 sessions)

again ....  etc.....


Useful Stat:

Several million spin tests have shown that the average number of spins before the first repeat appears is after 8 spins.

Thanks VLS!!

Hope you don't mind the thread being on rouletteforum.cc 

Betselection.cc was down for a couple of days. I like the new look of the website!!


Hope you'll join in!