Quote from: Sputnik on July 19, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
Does the book include the same selection method as second edition?
What's new in book 2.1 and 3.0? do they only include tweaks of the original selection method you find in second edition?

Many ThanksI see in the 2.1 edition of Tabone's ultimate silver bullet proof baccarat book it explains things properly and the tweaks are very advanced. I applied the stop losses and bet again triggers the 2.1 book refers to as well as the tweaks over 20 shoes and already my unit profits are positive.

To double check, I checked 100 shoes that I did not bet on, spent few days checking and results were very great. I will continue to use 2.1 and can't wait for 3.0 because Tabone states that he turns the table on the casinos removing their house edge in favour of the user of his 3.0 strategy. That if it works must be worth a lot of money to any serious baccarat player.

Quote from: alrelax on June 23, 2017, 10:39:29 PM
And when i said the other day to Stephen, 'please don't fight or spar' with members, i was attempting to keep Stephen neutral in my own way.  If you have a good or great product, it will speak for itself, IMO.  I have no problem with Stephen and I don't think he feels that I do...?

What is wrong you man! Why do you see everything Stephen writes as a "fight" as I read, his only defending aspects of his strategy? He has the right to. You keep popping up like a crow with no food; a mixture of hoarse or grating coos, caws, rattles, and clicks, they are annoying to read and only get in the way the debate. I know you appear on almost every thread but please for once can you just give it a rest for once and allow Stephen to get on and debate with Mike and the others. Sorry I get the feeling you always want the limelight

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 23, 2017, 10:06:56 PM
I would just like to clarify and explain something about me defending my strategy. I have received PMs and emails from a number of members and readers of this forum (I'm not going to expose any names) stating that there are some members who are supporting a certain expensive workshop system and that the presence of my strategy is not welcome. People are telling me that there are efforts to make my strategy appear not to work. I do not know if this is true or not but I wanted to let everyone know that I am receiving this advise. I did not want to believe them but when I started reading posting telling me not to "fight" etc, I started to have second thoughts. I stared to feel 'warned off'

I agree Stephen, one minute they say it works and then there are some who do not like you because they support the $700 workshop so they are discrediting your system because your book is cheap compared to that $700 a workshop that people have lost money on. And so they are attacking you by posting fake shoe results. There must be a gang of them working to run you and people like you down so as to support the $700 workshop.

Quote from: ADulay on June 23, 2017, 09:16:49 PM
As promised here are the three shoes that Alrelax posted late yesterday with the results running "TUBS with mod" and using VDW as the control reference.

Shoe 1:
TUBS -3 with an early stop due to the rules.  It went +0 if run to the end of the shoe.
VDW +5 at hand 53 and at the end.

Shoe 2:
TUBS -4 with an early stop due to the rules.   It went -10 if run to the end of the shoe.
VDW +3 to the end of shoe.

Shoe 3:
TUBS -6 with an early stop due to the rules.   It went +0 to the end.
VDW was -2 mainly due to the unusually high number of "twos" in the shoe.   

Hope this helps somebody.

AD (You guys DID test these shoes, right?)

           

How do we know if these shoes results are even genuine? One minute “Alrelax” is attacking Stephen trying to silence him, the next minute his posting ugly shoes results!!! I smell a rat. From what I could read he never even bought a copy of the book! And suddenly he says the system does not work!!! It seems he’ll do/say anything to attack Stephen and his book, even if that means posting end results of shoes no one can see, or verify as being true and real. And even if they are real he could have selected the worst ones out of many. I mean if this were a court it would be a kangaroo court.

Quote from: Baelog on June 21, 2017, 09:24:24 PM
I agree.

emm, this is subjective. One min, someone posts that the system works and is 44+ over a number of shoes, the next min is is down over a number of shoes. Results of shoes no one on here can confirm are even real. And since it seems by reading posts regarding The Ultimate Bullet Proof Baccarat winning strategy (TUBS) that there seem to be a few on here ganging up against Stephen and his TUB, leaving neg reviews on Amazon, given the attacks on him, any reader would have to conclude that the results stated by such members are either unreliable or invented. There are also good reviews, and good feedback from other members of this site it appears, by people that are not against him or his system. emm, I'm minded to treat the attack on his system with some skepticism. One of the issues that crossed my mind is that in his system he states that you should aim for 3+ per day, but the results a few members on here are claiming are real, even if they are are continuous which TUBS advises against in his book. Therefore you clearly are not following the advise in TUBS you are picking and choosing in order to dismiss his system. The fact that you do this means that you are trying to find reasons to make it seem that it does not work. Even the results 'Baelog' give (if they are real) show wins on particular shoes. Therefore if you take these wins, or the first 3+ wins as wins per day then the system works. Who knows what results would occur on following days. Again his system advises to call it a day when 3+ and not continue to play on and on and on... Though that said 'ADulay' in checking ongoing shoes stated that TUBS worked and was 44+ !! You can't have it both ways and you can't go against his advise and then claim that TUBS does not work. I think it does work if you stick to the rules proper which include walking away 3+ in profit per day. As for the tweaking of the system, he did d that a bit, some of you put it down, but what is wrong with tweaking something if it makes it even better? If you don't follow the rules, all the rules you will never find any system useful let alone win using it. I have a feeling you really are using it to win but don't want others using it because you're afraid of admitting it is the Ultimate baccarat system. Though I might have got this all wrong.

Quote from: alrelax on June 11, 2017, 08:40:27 AM
The guy said he has all the money he needs and he is compelled to help others. You do not have to read his material and you don't have to like it but how about letting the guy have his space and help others as he said, if they want it??  Why so derogatory? Thanks AL-RELAX

Stephen was attacked by Jimske many times as everyone can see on other threads. Then Lungyeh jumps on the band wagon. Stephen is a sponsor as others have commented and therefore has the right to promote his book. If some people don't like it then take it up with admin. alrelax, I do not think it right or fair of you to ignore this and support the attackers instigators of chaos. Supporting a charity is neither here nor there, the fact that Lungyeh supports Jimske's childish behavior is the point I believe from reading what Stephen is not happy about. So it it not helpful of you to support those that are not sticking to baccarat and gambling on this forum. Please stop it because you're making yourself look bad.

Stephen was attacked by Jimske many times as everyone can see on other threads. Then Lungyeh jumps on the band wagon. Stephen is a sponsor as others have commented and therefore has the right to promote his book. If some people don't like it then take it up with admin. alrelax, I do not think it right or fair of you to ignore this and support the attackers instigators of chaos. Supporting a charity is neither here nor there, the fact that Lungyeh supports Jimske's childish behavior is the point I believe from reading what Stephen is not happy about. So it it not helpful of you to support those that are not sticking to baccarat and gambling on this forum. Please stop it because you're making yourself look bad.