Can't be too great if I did not get an invite!

Quote from: Superman on December 16, 2014, 08:13:51 AM
I've had 1 number sleep for 647 spins when I did the same type of test you have done, and that was probably 5 years ago now. Since then I have deduced, speaking for RNG play at NoZero BetVoyager, the best bet odds you can get is 50/50 could be 18 numbers or red/black, every bets a guess at the end of the day, even on live wheels. Why is 50/50 the best, well, compare it with playing 24 numbers on double dozens, more wins bigger losses, 50/50 medium wins and easier to recover/chase. All my tests lately are purely MM betting 1 colour.

Imspirit ran extensive tests on a perfectly fair 50/50 game and basically just reaffirmed what we believed, and what you post here.  The best I can do (now at least) is just play a non zero wheel.  I remember he had an even chance that stayed ahead of the other for billions or maybe even trillions of spins. 

Bayes,

Thanks for your most helpful post, and attachment!  You really are an asset to the forum, and really know your stuff!  It is a great thing you are a mod here. 

Thank you Superman and Dane for the helpful posts!

Hi folks,

I just analyzed 5 million spins but focused on when one of the last two sleepers hit.

There were 42 175 sessions.

Minimum amount of spins before 36/37 numbers hit was 52. 

Maximum amount of spins before 36 out of 37 numbers hit was 314 spins.

Average session length when one of the last 2 sleepers to hit was 118.5 spins.

Median was 115.

Again I have attached a file with the stats in detail.

Quote from: iggiv on December 16, 2014, 01:51:19 AM
525 is an amazing number. Hard to believe but i am sure it's true.
Good lesson for those chasing sleepers. Thank you for interesting info.

You're welcome and thanks for the comment. 

Hi folks,

I analyzed 5 million RNG single zero spins to gather some stats about how many spins go by before all 37 numbers have hit.

There were 32 209 sessions. 

Least amount of spins where all 37 numbers hit was 60.  This happened once.  37 numbers hitting in less than 66 spins occurred only 4 times. 

Most amount of spins before all numbers hit was 525.

Average number of spins before all numbers hit was 155.
Median was 147 spins. 

I have attached a file that shows the stats. 

The left is the session length, and the right number is how many times a session ended in the test. 

So:

60   1
61   0
62   0
63   1

Only once a session ended at spin 60 and spin 63 (the last "sleeper" hit on that spin) and never did a session end on spin 61 or 62.

Hi folks,

I analyzed approximately 500 000 cycles and came up with the following when betting on two dozens (I always bet 2 and 3, but it really doesn't matter)


SPINS...37........   50.....75....100....150......200....500....1000
MIN......10   ........18.....31.....43.....68.......95......280.....587
MAX......36.........   46.....64.....84.....122......158....375.....710

So 10 is the minimum number of wins I got in 37 spins, and 36 was the maximum number of wins I got in 37 spins etc.

Good work Nickmsi.

Quote from: Turner on December 13, 2014, 10:22:11 PM
Teo

You have saved me doing what I have been meaning to do for ages.

Great stats. Just what I wanted.

don't worry about Albalaha.

Its all about posters like Bayes and Sqeez....and many others.

Thanks for the kind and helpful words.

Quote from: Bayes on December 13, 2014, 07:09:56 PM
Teo,

You do know that thread starters can remove other member's posts, right? 

LOL.  I do know that now!  Thanks!   

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 13, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Gentlemen,

Thou I not expert,
I think Albalaha is right,
when he says that...

1]Virtual Limit, is a LIMIT,
that an EXTREME can ever happen.

The prove, is 69red/200spins,
is still a RECORD.
We could fully have faith, that the next 200spins of EC will have at LEAST 69 hit.

Albalaha had stressed that u will never see 30red EC in your entire lifetime.

He had always point that if we could take advantages of this phenomena, then we could have an edge over the casino, but of course U need to think out of box.

2]RTM,

Every expert has agreed that the RTM,
will finally 'balanced' itself over the long run, but, no one see that the RTM theory and Virtual Limit, TOGETHER with simple "loss avoiding" strategy, will produce an edge over the run run.

3]Progression.
Many posting have try to search, for a progression as a HG.
But Albalaha, had always emphasized, that no progression ever, can win, in the EXTREME of random, that could happen anytime. That's why they lose.

BUT does anyone listen???


ALAS, every expert can't see those very simple facts...

Actually he is wrong.  He just has not analyzed enough spins.  You could see 30 reds or more.  It is possible. 

Quote from: esoito on December 12, 2014, 10:35:22 PM
Interesting analysis, as is the almost-symmetry in the figures.

Was that live or RNG?

Thanks for the comment.  I used RNG numbers!

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on December 13, 2014, 12:01:29 AM
Thanks Gentlemen,
for yr replies,

The 69/200 is here, from spin 34th.
it an official record, yet to be surpassed. BUT u may win with, SURPRISE...marthy!!!

http://www.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/hamburg-1999-1/hamburg-25-10-1999-1/permanence-table

RNG is computer generated, and u will see even 0/200.

I think we need to think out of box to fight random.
Just like farmers plant when the season is right, and fishermen  sail the sea when the weather is right, stay at home when the sea is rough...

Just as likely to see 0/200 in RNG as Real spins, assuming you are testing the same amount for both.

I ran about 500 000 cycles of 37 spins and came up with the following:

(Number on left is number of unique numbers and next number is how many times a spin cycle had exactly that many unique numbers in the test)

37 spin cycle:

15   1
16   12
17   202
18   1417
19   6020
20   18309
21   41304
22   73951
23   98780
24   102814
25   80164
26   47276
27   20934
28   6706
29   1685
30   349
31   35
32   5

74 spin cycle:

25   46
26   304
27   1898
28   7536
29   22123
30   50675
31   88059
32   114050
33   107055
34   69801
35   29634
36   7735
37   1011

111 spin cycle:

29   31
30   181
31   1407
32   7570
33   29508
34   83849
35   151889
36   155781
37   69674

148 spin cycle:

32   15
33   828
34   8540
35   52625
36   181344
37   256499

Mean and median were approximately:

24 for 37 spin cycle
32 for 74 spin cycle
35 for 111 spin cycle
37 for 148 spin cycle