Quote from: ozon on May 21, 2017, 02:35:51 PM
http://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/how-to-get-an-edge-flat-betting-(in-theory)/msg22774/#msg22774

Hi Olaf, testing with only 20k spins is not enough, please do some more 100k tests with this progression, and you will see more and more 10+ consecutive losses generated a bigger and bigger hole - and yes, in daily basis, as I experienced, and regardless of Betvoyager, Excel or Random.org RNG... So be more carefull with your real money!

I say nothing bad regarding to Betvoyager, but the server connection issue is exists in my area too. I do not know the exact background of this online phenomenon. If you are progressive bettor and you are in the deep hole, some interruption can be fatal to your bankroll. You will lose your prompt progression, you will lose your prompt stakes. And you will lose more than you win quickly and easily - in the "long term". P.S. No, I haven't find any noticeable differences between demo/fun mode and real money mode related of RNG type and interruption behaviour.

Quote from: Albalaha on July 29, 2016, 03:42:21 AM
Great Job, Audiokinesis @ Janos,
                  You have been my best student so far and a real hardworking guy. It looks great to see you using different tweaks to better things. You can definitely play better than most members/guests here but you need to polish your skills a bit more. Even I am doing a lot of work to make things as better as possible.
                Doing so much varieties of harsh sessions, you learn a lot of skills and graduate to be a sensible player. Anybody winning net profit over all these have positive chances to be ahead in real play.

Thanks, yes, tremendous amount of work was in the past 2 years. :thumbs up
I tried the previously used hybrid type cyclic progression (supplemented with flat betting as well) with one different tweak, and it could solved the Beast 13th (770 spins) sequence. Sure, one sample is not sample, so I tried this with the latest 4 HA sessions, from the 11th to 14th. So far so good.

13th session, re-done:
443 losses
337 wins
min.: -79 un.
max. bets: 33 un.
netbalance: 34 un.
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Hi, yes, it was pure 1 unit betting, and in the applied Stop Loss variant (-2 un.), NO betting/Pause after the reached (-2) units Netbalance anytime & anywhere in the actual cycle, regardless of the formed subsequent AP(s). And step into the next cycle, etc.

1Million placed bets netbalance was -621 units.

In my every NO zero tests, be as Betvoyager NO zero "wheel" or any other created 1-36 RNG numbers, be as pseudo or true random, meaningless to me, I do not take into account any negative sign tax, vat, comission, etc. becasue if I can not gain with a 50/50 game, how could I gain with a more disadvantageous (added negative) position? As Mark said..."the figures less appealing, once you either introduce a zero or Bank tax".
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Quote from: Albalaha on July 28, 2016, 03:00:18 PM
Nick,
      Winning so many placed bets(82,000), that too flat is kind of unseen for any mechanical way to play. I hope there is no serious error in coding giving false hopes. Too good to be true. Coupled with a better MM, it can earn much more.

Sumit, there is no error or bug in the coding, but yes, too good to be true...Too small samples yet. In this form, you will earn almost nothing, with flat betting - in longer term.
The present tracker on my screenshoot from Nick portfolio is bets all APs that can be formed as (S)ame = HH or LL (19-36 High, 1-18 Low) and (D) different = HL or LH
Rules: No Bet on a Mutual Bet (where both a D and an S can form an AP)
Stop Loss: NO
Progression: NO
Sample size: 4,6Million spins
Placed bets: 1,37Million bets
Wheel type: NO zero

I have no significant long test yet with Stop Losses, but I've tried the (-1) and (-2) un. Stop Losses per cycles with some 5-10K spins tests already, and I have not got any significant improvement. With Flat betting. Like on the attached pic; at ~5000 spins, 805 placed bets, 390 wins, with -0,88 z-score; are relevant datas with (-2) un. STPL/cycles, etc. 

Sure, I got some 100K datas like Nick' positive results, but, I got some 100k datas with negative results too. The sum of totals in longer term is on the attached pic. Tend to negative.
In this form of the VDW approach, what I know so far. 

100K spins session examples from the attached graph (in units):
1st 100K#: -119
2nd: 428
3rd: 8
4th: 154
5th: 227
6th: -204
7th: -352
8th: -155
9th: 127
10th: -476
etc.
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Hi, regarding to the 13&14th HA sessions:
I did not modify any rules; same way wherewith I solved any other difficult sessions so far. The 13th (longer) session's first 200 spins was the most problematic sequence to my MM approach probably. I applied one strict -300 units Stop Loss. (But I do not know the real adequacy of the exact -300 units Stop Loss yet, without proper and longer testings.)
I think the 13th Harsh session (with 800 spins) is worth the effort for the complete re-do with some more effective MM approach, but for the relevant work - IF it could solve the whole 800 spins, - I need to re-do all of the Harsh + Bad sessions too. Later.

13th session:
354 wins
447 losses
max. bet: 45 units
min.: -383 units (after the -300 units reset)
net bal.: -195 units

14th session:
103 wins
127 losses
max. bet: 15 units
min.: -13 units
net bal.: +11 units
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Quote from: ozon on July 21, 2016, 08:18:31 PM
Long ago, I played this way
Using BVno Zero RNG and waiting for a trigger when the first 20 spins, we have the advantage of an event of 10 bets (12 reds-2 blacks), the begin betting on black.
Using the target profit 1 unit and stoplose -60 units. I make about 180 units with no lose ,after  4 loses waiting  for  vwin.
The strategy was very slow, about 3 triggers for the hour.
I know that at some point would be lost, but I do not have any program to simulate, so I stopped to play.
I do not know how behaves in long run , but  i  think it was just luck.

Yes.
I coded it and tested it with some different settings and - like every push till win type progression (what I know) - it failed surely, as usual. The Nemesis will come. Inevitable. Gratis: back-to-back, sometimes.  
I do not play with these kind of progresssions which can burst all of my bankroll in any moment. No Hope. (Just simulate enough, and witness fail.)

Hi, with a bit roundabout but here it is, reply#1 from BetJack:

http://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/why-i-fail-in-the-long-run/

Quote from: RouletteGhost on July 18, 2016, 10:07:02 PM
I have tried betting 3 DS as an EC

i like the idea of choosing a random 3, say 1 3 and 5

wait for the other 3 to be ahead, or these 3 to be ahead then bet the other 3 flat bet until it returns to mean and you profit

Flat betting and maybe with zero? Just with tons of Luck!   
But if your choice is whichever 3DS, why don't you try with all of the probable 18 DS EC combination? You can save a lot of times. 6 table EC bets + 18 combinated DS EC bets = 24 EC combination with a ~100 pieces of 10000 spins tests are almost enough for the conclusion of the resistance of your actual RTM type of playing;

10000 (10k) spins with 24 EC combination = technically 240000 (240k) holistic spins per session,
~1% placed bets after the triggers per session,
2400 placed EC bets per session averagely,
100000 (100K) placed EC bets are almost enough to conclude, so
it needs near ~40 X 10000 spins tests, BUT repeating 2-3X, for safety's sake (to me). 

This kind of 'marathon' tests will reveal the resistance or the weakness of the actual approaches - surely and forever.

(Like the attached pic of my 24EC bets tracker from the past - 24 EC bets in easy manageable and visible form in one screen, with the BV wheel.)
Regards

BetJack,

I am just reading - rather - and mostly lot of blahblah throughout the forums. 99% of the published systems, strategies, methods are simple and surely failed in the long run. What does it mean? You will lose your money, only matter of time. (I do not speak the Fun mode; meaningless for me.) Due to the "rare" events. The back to back loser sessions, the back to back -300 units cut-off sessions. Too much -300 units cut-off and your BR hole is deeper and deeper - in an inevitable and unblockable form. The good charts/graphs can clearly speaks itselves. Same as your 5000# random.org samples.
But honestly, in my world, there is no exists like normal, rare and very rare invents, just simple random events.

Do your homework, let's study and learn the EXcel simulations, and simulate enough for the clear picture; you will not win all the random sessions! Never. Our fix mechanical progressions will never cover all of the distributions, all of the possible SDs, and the back to back loser sessions will harm us - surely and inevitable.
At first no need any Betvoyager, no need any Random integer platform, you will only need the famous oldy WIN7 pseudo random generator, and just work and work with it. Someone says it is rigged. Yes, maybe...or maybe not. I do not know, I do not care, because If it is rigged, then the "beating process" will be easier, isn't it?
But if you can't gain any 0,0001% edge (the number of the zeros is optional) with EXcel RNG in your runs, you will never reach with any others too.

1/ superior Bet selection is exist? I do not know, I do not "see" yet...and I do not believe in, yet. After more than ~5 billion (BILLION) simulated spins with any form of RNGs, be it lifespins or created, I think: no exist. Simple play Red (if your choice is EC), and goo!

2/ If there is no superior Bet selection, there will be not enough room for the Flat betting. Never...in the system playing. Just in the AP playing. Truth: without more accurate predictions (=superior Bet selection) we will need some clever MM plan, what can help us survive the random flow. Key word: survive. I speak about NO zero, so there is no HE. Sadly, it is almost impossible too - without positive variance (=luck), and appropriate bankroll with high risk tolerance.

See the 11th and the 12th Harsh sequences. One of my EC MM plan can survive all of the 10+7 (10 Harsh sessions + 7 sessions from the "Anybody such bad..." thread) sessions, But Not the new 11th Harsh. I make these with 2 type of the same MM plan, one milder and one more aggressive type (1.,2.,3., and 4. pics). What does it mean in overall? Am I happy with my "illusion"? Nooo. It simple means - as I said somewhere and sometime in one relevant topic, this type of tests are better than nothing, but it can not solve every problem of the random.     

Let's see other example; one of my best 2 number (straight up) system (5. pic). Basically the Latest 2 numbers with strict triggers and one clever hibrid progression, and with other MM safeguards. This is very good example of the necessity of the appropriate bankroll and the high risk tolerance.

Summary, general 10000# chart:
141,18+  average, units
247346  overall, units
1752  sessions
17520000  (17.52 Million) spins
10000  spins/session
1225000  (1.225 Million) placed bets
~100 units Max. per bet

From the 1177th session, let's see the greatest DD (according to the general 10000# chart) the inevitable and unblockable back to back loser sessions, step by step in a row:
(units)
1214
1420
1060
688
1062
456
1214
1040
1128
962
-1552
-10062
-10012
-10004
778
-4386
-648
-8
432
986
-10000
804
-4300
996
924
-1536
-1880
820
1094
666
1342
1226
-10022
624
552
578
1174
384
-4988
1054
892
754
-10006
1096
-10026

Could you manage this deep DD with your pocket and your risk tolerance?

I think there is no any MM plan that can save us from these type of random behaviour (back to back loser sessions). Just the Not playing. This is the biggest problem of the long run. Sure, to me.
Bye

Hi Vic, please send me your instructions - for the testings.

Just note: the attached Betsoftware_v1-2_FIRST.EXE is not running - after the unpacking. See the attached screenshoot: "Betsoftware.exe stopped working".
Regards

Hi Vic, Thank you for your offered opportunity; yes, I'd like to test your Betsoftware 2.0. I will have time for testing after Wimbledon. I'll let you know when I get home from England. Regards

I'm looking for a properly functioning engine/bot for my full automatic Excel trackers, like the Excelbot engine in the past. OS: either Win7 or Winserver 2012R. Casino contact: especially Betvoyager No zero and Euro zero fun/demo and real money tables. Thanks

Quote from: Albalaha on June 22, 2016, 05:03:02 AM
Dear Janos @ Audiokinesis,
         Indeed the last two sessions are not so harsh with compare to earlier 5 but it all depends on the MM you chose to play with. Bet of 93 or 79 units should not have been needed but Drawdown is not that big with compare to the variance we are getting.

You are closer to perfection, yet need to work more to make it better.

Hi Sumit, then closer to the 'perfection'...with one different type hybrid progression than before.
The other money management rules are almost same (flat betting substitution, etc.), with only one PLUS safeguard:
more than -50 units loss, I use a Reset near the break-even point, on the x% recovered path. No needs needlessly risk.
Strict rule, no "empirical guessing", so consistently and mechanically applied.
One noticeable 'heartbeat': the highest bet was 50+ in the 8th session. 
   net   min.   units,max.
1#   10   -67   22
2#   7   -55   27
3#   7   -37   30
4#   10   -11   9
5#   8   -27   12
6#   13   -17   12
7#   1   -26   15
8#   13   -180   63
9#   8   -42   27
10#   15   -96   45

Hi, I made 1 quick test with just one milder type hybrid progression, substituted with flat betting (so continous betting), and withOUT any BB increment, LSH, and x% recovery rule...it could solve all of these harsh sequences by itself without too deep DDs, but with too high bets sometimes (risky) - due to the lacking safeguard options. So, there are better iow SAFER soutions.
Max. bets:
1st seq.:  50 units
2nd:  16 un.
3rd:  40 un.
4th:  15 un.
5th:  21 un.
6th:  79 un. (dd: -179 un.)
7th:  93 un. (dd: -154 un.)
Regards