So here, I am going to share some of my approaches to Baccarat, things that hopefully are a bit new to anybody reading and so maybe that can help with your own game.

One thing I always believed throughout the years of studying the E.C. game was that someone needed a kind of framework to help them navigate their way through the decisions as they came out. It's not so much a prediction tool as just something to look at which can show you what's currently happening. Let's face it, whatever is currently happening or not happening for that matter is either going to continue along in that fashion or come to an end.

Based on my own understanding, I see the shoe is going to do one of three things for the most part. It's going to streak, chop or show the 2's. Now any of these that go on a prolonged run can be fairly straightforward to read and therefore profit from. When they are all appearing one after the other in a very haphazard way, well that's another story and I will come to that later but for now, I will just try and stick to something easy to read when it's happening.

I break the Bac results down into 4 numbers using pairs.

BB = 1
BP = 2
PP = 3
PB = 4

So here is a bit of a registry to show what I mean.

B
B 1
B 1
P 2
P 3
P 3
P 3
B 4
P 2
B 4
P 2
P 3
B 4
B 1
P 2
P 3
B 4
B 1
B 1
B 1
B 1

By doing it like this, I have learned to spot what's happening, be it runs, chops or the 2's.

If you get a continuous run of 1's, then it's showing B

If you get a continuous run of 3's, then it's showing P

If you get a continuous run of 2,4 or 4,2 then it's showing chops.

Finally, if you get a continuous run of 1,2,3,4, then it's running the 2's.

Let's have a look at that registry again.


B
B 1
B 1 (a small run of B)
P 2
P 3
P 3
P 3 (a small run of P)
B 4
P 2
B 4
P 2 (a small run of chops)
P 3
B 4
B 1
P 2
P 3
B 4
B 1 (a run of the 2's)
B 1
B 1
B 1 (a small run of B)

So that just gives you an idea of the notation that I am using.

I remember reading in several places over the years that the 2's just creep up on you and after testing a load of systems, a lot of them didn't seem to be able to handle the 2's. Now looking above you can see how easy they are to read. In fact, quite often, you will get the 2's dominating although you will see something else interspersed with them.

So it might go something like the following...

B
B 1
P 2 (2's)
P 3 (2's)
P 3 (single)
B 4 (back to 2's)
B 1 (2's)
P 2 (2's)
P 3 (2's)
B 4 (2's)
P 2 (single)
P 3 (back to 2's)

Hopefully you get the idea. That can actually be a real strong run and it's not unusual to see 20-30 hand runs where it performs like this and even just a simple 1-2 neg progression can capture a lot of units this way. I only mention this because a lot of people don't seem to like the 2's but really, there is nothing to fear from them.

So I think that's a good place for me to begin from and I use this framework as my basic template and pretty much everything else then revolves around this.

cheers

I still love coming here and reading the Baccarat posts from Assym, Al, KungFuBac and Andy. To be honest, it almost feels like it's the last bastion of genuine Baccarat talk on the web apart from a handful of other experienced players dotted around here and there. I have learned a lot from some of you guys and your posts are appreciated.

That's me pretty much done with Roulette for now. I figure that there is really no point in playing it now that I just focus on the EC. That green zero just gets in the way of things and when it does streak, it can be annoying. So why pay the extra tax if you don't have to.

My Baccarat knowledge (or even EC knowledge) has grown pretty rapidly just lately. It seems to go like that where you feel like you are just treading water for a while and then things just kind of take off again leading to new insights and discoveries. I have done quite a bit research lately on the subject of parlays. You would think getting two in a row is not that difficult. On hindsight, it's actually not that difficult I suppose but where it becomes difficult is when you are looking for those two wins on a particular decision.

So for instance, looking for two wins on the Bank is obviously not going to be as straightforward as looking for two straight wins anywhere like on either the Bank, Player, Chops or two's etc... Sometimes I think we don't realize how we are setting ourselves up for failure depending on how we are setting our game or if we are looking for something in particular. There is no future in trying to put randomness into some kind of limited framework because we will likely end up disappointed.

It's actually quite sobering when you see just how long certain things can be absent from a shoe because of other elements dominating and that even the cleverest MM scheme might not be enough to circumnavigate it. I will come back and give a few examples of that and they could be used for other EC games I suppose if Roulette or Craps is your thing.

see you all soon

Roulette was my first love although I did play a bit of BJ before that. I think around 1990 was the first time I played roulette and I still play it and enjoy it to this day.

Baccarat was never really on the radar for me until Alrelax took over the reigns here and I started reading his posts along with GR8Player and a few others.

I spent years trying to come up with a winning roulette strategy and there were a few times I really thought I had something close to the grail but unfortunately they were not as successful as I hoped and thought they would be. It wasn't through a lack of desire or hard work and I must have spent a small fortune on what were considered the best up to date books and not just your usual Martingale nonsense.

Anyway, I kind of gave in and thought I would put my energy into Baccarat and I am glad I did but I still had a bit of the roulette bug because the ego was telling me not to let it go completely and I have kept searching the last few years.

They are a lot of clever people who write on the forums regarding roulette and it's easy to get sucked in to what sounds plausible or maybe a new way of looking at things but if I had to give a vote to anybody, I would say 'Turbogenius' was the best. His approach seemed logical rather than fanciful and you can replicate a lot of the things he has shown and achieve pretty much the same results.

So I will write up over the next few days my take on something which Turbo laid out and has proved to be more effective than anything else roulette related that I have ever played.

cheers

Hello,

 I will dedicate this thread to putting up a few shoes from the Evolution Live Casino (Online) and also play a bit as well. I know some of you guys like to test against live shoes as opposed to RNG/Simulators etc..

Here are two from tonight.

This could explain why so many people like to play for the cut/chop as noted by several members here!

Thinking about some of the old Roulette/Gambling forums and some of the crazy characters on them had me thinking about some of the real-life crazies I have encountered in a few of the different B+M Casinos where I have played.

Around the early 2000's, I went on an incredibly lucky spell at Roulette. It was like I had the Midas touch or something and it was unusual over a period of around 6-12 months where I didn't come home at least winning something. It's not just the Casino that notices winning players, the other patrons also cotton on real fast and you soon make a whole load of new friends. As a pretty much wet behind the ears kid in my 20's, I didn't really have the cynical thought that they were just interested in tapping me for a loan or trying to figure out what the hell I was doing different from them because they kept losing their cash in a rapid fashion. Even when I did eventually twig, I didn't mind buying them a few drinks or something to eat. It provided a captive audience to talk shop and no doubt massaged my ego.

Now this one guy (Keith) was Asian and would probably only weigh around 7 stone wet through. He was a student and didn't have much money. A typical system player who was never going to win anything because he was actually afraid to bet. He would wait for ages until he saw something really dominant and then bet for it to continue. He nearly always missed out and this guy would literally be at the airport when his ship came in. So I said to Keith one night to sit down in the bar and I would bring over a few pints of beer. So I take them over and excuse myself because I needed to go to the bathroom. On coming out of the restroom, something on one of the roulette tables must have caught my attention and I placed a few bets. In the corner of my eye, I notice two security guards storming up the aisle behind the table and one of them had this guy by the feet and the other is holding his head and shoulders. The guy is completely flaked out. Now it's not something you usually see and on closer inspection, it's Keith that they are carting out to the reception. Looking over to the bar and sure enough he is not there.

It turned out that poor Keith hadn't had anything to eat for a day or so and the beer which he  wasn't used to had made him faint. So from that day onwards he became known as 'half-pint Charlie'.

Feel free to share your funny casino stories / anecdotes. 

The basic component of the Perfect Unit is called the Shared Parlay. To understand what a Shared Parlay is, let's review what a regular parlay is. A regular parlay is a bet where all the winnings of the first bet are added to the second bet. For example, if we won a 3 unit bet, then the parlay bet would be a 6 unit bet. As we know though, with even chance bets, we have a 50/50 chance of winning each time. As this affects a parlay, it means that once we have won the first bet, that we will only win the second bet (the parlay attempt) on average every other time. (ie. 50/50).

How this looks in play can be summarized as +3 +6 (for a net win of +9) one time, and +3 -6 +3 +6 (for a net win of +6) the other time. So the collective profit for the two ways that we are going to achieve a successful parlay is +9 +6 = +15. This demonstrates a regular parlay.

Now our objective with a shared parlay is to (A) balance the amount won by each of the two different ways, thereby giving us more uniform results over the course of our play, (B) to increase the collective profit of the two ways, and (C) reduce our risk on unsuccessful parlay attempts. The accomplishment of these objectives thereby awarding us much more winning power overall.

If we were to re-allocate the winnings used for the second bets in the parlay attempts, we can accomplish all of our objectives at the same time!

Not possible you say? Well let's do this. Let's share 1 unit of the winnings used for the second bet in our first parlay attempt, and add it to the second bet on the second parlay attempt. Now the two ways that we are going to achieve a successful parlay can be summarized like this: +3 +5 (for a net win of +8) one time, and +3 -5 +3 +7 (for a net win of +8) the other time. What were our objectives again?

(A) balance the amount won by each of the two different ways, thereby giving us more uniform results over the course of our play. (B) to increase the collective profit of the two ways, and (C) reduce our risk on unsuccessful parlay attempts.

(A) (+8 +8) with the shared parlay versus (+9 +6) with the regular parlay....mission accomplished!
(B) +16 with the shared parlay versus +15 with the regular parlay....mission accomplished!
(C) +3 -5 = -2 and +3 -5 +3 -7 = -6 / = -8 with the shared parlay versus +3 -6 = -3 and +3 -6 +3 -6 = -6 / = -9 with the regular parlay....mission accomplished!

For anybody who thinks a 1 unit gain on 15 isn't substantial, it translates to just under a 7% increase on our winnings. Not too bad when you consider the average commission on even chance games is around 2%.

So to recap....5 unit second bets are made until one is lost. Once a 5 unit second bet is lost, a 7 unit second bet is used on the next parlay attempt. Regardless of whether the 7 unit second bet is won or lost, the cycle returns to a 5 unit second bet when the next parlay attempt comes up. Obviously, neither a 5 or 7 unit second bet comes into play until a 3 unit bet is first won preceding it.

This Shared Parlay is the first part of the Perfect Unit bet. I will type up the second part in the next post.

Over the next few days, I will post up my final roulette strategy. I don't promise the HG but it's an interesting and easy way to play when you get the hang of it and more than holds its own as anyone interested will find out.

It revolves around the dozens and columns where anyone playing it would be making a single bet of either a dozen or column for 1 spin attempt. So you either win 2 units or lose 1 unit if flat betting and then wait for the next attack.

The first thing to understand is how I define the cycles. It's exactly the same for either the dozens or columns.

Here is an excel sheet explaining it. Any questions, just ask!

Hello guys,

I was playing around with the roulette software and an idea struck me! (not sure if it's an unintelligent one yet or not, lol)

Here is a screenshot of 3000 spins.

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All I was doing was playing the same 4 numbers throughout the 3k spins and you can see the peaks and troughs. Now I should add that I have run the same type of sims for a while and the 4 number bet seems to have a good bounce back factor where it can swing from a nice profit to negative territory and then back again.  The image above shows it climb to around 850 (+350) dip down to around 320 (-180) and rise back again to a high of 1100 (+600)

So my idea is to record the spins (by the way, this would require a fair bit of patience) and capture the first peak......then you watch it dip and wait for it to reach the first peak again. Then you bet for it to reach a new peak (obviously up to the player to decide when and if to stop) If it drops below the first peak....STOP! Wait for it to climb back to the peak and go again.

Now I suppose one obvious question would be what if it doesn't reach the original peak over many spins.....well, you have not lost anything if you don't play but I think it would be a good idea to do a lot of testing and see what parameters occur. Maybe there is a sweet spot of spins where you have to completely reset and start again!

It sounds too simple an idea and actually a bit crazy  .....but on the other hand, has a bit of logic as well!

When you play once spotting the peak, you could lose a few bets before you stop betting.....but then nothing to stop you incrementing your stake slightly on the next attempt etc....even if it's only by a small percentage. Also what happens well you are away from the table has no real relevance considering the numbers you mark down are your own personal permanence. Reaching a profit could take1-5-10 or more sessions. So it's a bit of a unique approach to take.

cheers

Supposedly only 1 in a 1000 get it right. I reckon that average would be a lot higher from the members on here.

There are actually two possible solutions. (I got the first one right but didn't have the patience to look at the second solution, lol)

1+4 = 5

2+5 = 12

3+6 = 21

8+11 = ?

Don't leave your answers! I will provide the link so you can check if you got one or both right!

good luck 

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/offbeat/a-viral-math-question-that-has-2-solutions-is-stumping-the-internet/ar-BBEFtXP?li=AA9SkIr&ocid=spartanntp

Interesting....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-40594387

Time for some action in the old blog! 

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As the unhit numbers are appearing in the beginning, you are going to get a lot of W (W denotes an unhit number)

Then gradually as the repeats start to hit, you are going to get the L hitting (L denotes a repeat)

For my purposes, I am looking for a ( L) VDWAP. So I ignore the W wins.

The first two bets lost at x1unit, but the third bet won at x2 unit for a 19 unit win in the game.

cheers

I am running some tests on Oscar's Grind.

It's a pretty simple MM scheme which I believe is around 50 years old. All you do is start off at 1 unit. If you lose, you continue at 1 unit. On a win, you raise the bet by 1 unit and continue raising 1 unit on a win until you reach a 1 unit profit. You reset to a new game once you reached a 1 unit profit for that particular game. For an example, if you get to the stage where your bet is 4 units and you win and you then only need 2 units to go into a 1 unit profit, reduce the next bet from 5 to 2. Simple really.

Anyway, I don't want to test it for a million spins to see it fail. Instead, I want to see how often it can reach +50 without going to -20 just using a random bet selection. (black in this case)

Test 1.

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Is anyone aware if there is a piece of software out there which calculates the divisor and staking for you if you put in the W/L registry.

Thanks 

Hello guys.

To be honest, I don't play much roulette anymore. Baccarat is now my preferred game. On saying that, I still like to mess around with roulette from time to time. Once it's in your  blood, it's hard to escape from the wheel. 

My last intensive study of roulette concentrated pretty much around distribution and the LOTT (law of the third) It's one of those concepts where you can just endlessly chase your tail without getting anywhere (maybe because it doesn't work very well, lol) Anyway, I did come up with something a little bit different which maybe deserves further exploration.

A lot of people researching the LOTT tend to think in terms of cycles and waiting for numbers to specifically hit 2 or 3 times + before betting them. There are times however that you won't see a number appear 3 times in a cycle (37 spins) It doesn't happen often, but it does happen. One thing can all guarantee on however is that a number will hit twice in a cycle. The odds must be hundreds of million to one to see all 37 different numbers appear one after the other.

So my focus revolved around what can be done with the second hit. One thing that I already knew was that the first repeat comes on average between spins 7-8. So I wanted to find out when the average was for the second hit to repeat and it turns out to be 13 spins.

So you might get something like this.....

1. 7
2. 23
3. 9
4. 18
5. 29
6. 11
7. 30
8. 28
9. 7 (first repeat)
10. 36
11. 2
12. 3
13. 36 (second repeat)

Of course they averages. Things tend to ebb and flow a lot in roulette which brings me to the following picture.

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I have put a green line under a number whenever a second repeat occurs within 13 spins. The first underlined number is 25 and it was the second repeat after the 9 hit twice first. Both these two numbers hit twice within the space of 9 spins.

Looking at the purple rings, you can see that we sometimes get a nice concentration of hits where 2 numbers are repeating within very close range of each other frequently. And naturally there are other times where you don't get this happening for periods of 10-20 spins.

I will delve more into this on my next post and show what I think is a pretty neat solution for attacking this. One of the problems with many LOTT strategies is that either 1) You end up betting too many numbers. 2) Hot numbers go cold and cold numbers wake up. The ideal would be to just bet a few numbers every so often for a few spins. (There is a clue in there somewhere)

cheers

Here is a live baccarat game from Sky Vegas that I recorded. It all seems fine, however  I noticed at the end of the shoe that a lady came and took the old cards away and brought the new shoe in with her. So the cards are already shuffled. I preferred the old dublinbet style where they shuffled the cards in front of the players from the live casino. I only noticed the other day that they don't stream anymore from the casino in Ireland.

This one at Sky has a minimum bet of £1 for anyone interested. They don't accept US or French players.

https://youtu.be/nklMgX3SD-8

Here is a nice little twist on the idea.

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Take the first 6 numbers from Column A and I will call it (1)...Take the second 6 numbers from Column A and I will call it (2)

Now you can see how a successful AP was formed on the 8th number to appear from Column A. My initial thoughts are just to play the numbers that have already shown. So if you were playing for the (1)...it would actually have resulted in a loss here because I would have only played the numbers 7 and 10.

Something for me to work on well Vic is completing my LOTT module.

I would appreciate it if you had it and could send a copy. I have some stuff I can exchange which I am pretty certain you won't have seen before.

Thanks.

I thought this deserved it's own subject.

First of all an explanation of the Bricklayer's Wall.

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Now for some quick tests using the Bricklayer's Wall along with the VDW AP.

I personally think that it's probably better to stop after 2 consecutive losses and start a new game without completing 9 spins like I did in the second test. I also stop after a situation where you are required to bet on both sides of an EC and start a new game.

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cheers

As I stated in esoito's thread, I am in the middle of revisiting the Law of the Third. I like to go back from time to time and see if I can look at things in a slightly different way from before using any new knowledge/understanding/insights that I have picked up.

The LOTT has always fascinated me after reading posters like 'Number 6' and 'Dyksexlic'. It is however a bit of a slippery customer and just when I thought I was getting somewhere, poof, the magic vanished. Hopefully that was just my inexperience.

So this thread is an invitation to anyone who wants to help try and crack this LOTT once and for all. At the end of the day, there is nothing to lose except a bit of free time and everything to gain (even if just adding a bit of new knowledge). So please join in and let's have some fun with it.

Hello guys,

Anyone remember Don Colonne and his Roulette DNA theory. Well I didn't know that he has another publication out now called ''Ruin the City of Las Vegas''

In fact just reading the beginning of this e-book, Don states that his first method failed (I imagine that's the DNA of Roulette one) and this is his new work.

It's free and here it is. Thanks Don. Always appreciated when people share their hard work.

http://www.neworiginalthinking.com/EBOOK-RCLV.pdf

Hello Vic,

To get the ball rolling and enter into the spirit of things, here is my contribution.

Cheers

An interesting new concept played at ''Mr Green'' Live Casino.

https://youtu.be/bSWVGx6BwZM

Anyone remember 'Number 6' ? One of my favourite posters of all time.

Anyway, he had this to say way back.

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So I am going to show a few things that some of you may already know or have not really noticed.

The Boxer is both a concise and potent progression. It limits the amount of net risk at any given point to a paltry 1 unit, while delivering a hefty 8 unit net profit on just a 4 win window of results. The Boxer predominately employs ''up as you win'', with some use of ''re-betting'' of losing bets.
Winning bets progress 1a to 2a, 2a to 2b, 2b to 3b, and 3c back to 3b. Note: Winning 3b completes the series. Losing bets progress (1a remains at 1a) 2a back to 1a, 2b back to 2a, 3b to 3c and 3c back to 1a to start over.

The Boxer is a good progression for environments that will regularly produce either short streaks, or close knit groups of wins.

Here are a few examples....

1.   -1, +1, +2a, -2b, +2a, -2b, -2a. (2 coups resulting in -2)
2.   -1, -1, +1, +2a, -2b, +2a, +2b, -3b, +3c, +3b. (3 coups resulting in +6)
3.   -1, +1, +2a, +2b, -3b, -3c. (2 coups resulting in -2)
4.   +1, +2a, -2b, +2a, +2b, +3b. (1 coup resulting in +8)