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#1
I was actually thinking about a post that was on last week about a lifetime bank of 100 units or something along those lines.

My thoughts on that kind of tie in to your premise here.

Money Management and Progressions

I play with progressions and sometimes my real issue is I win too early and win too often.

Here's why I say that.

I don't start with the unit size most would play with in regards to my total bank.

I play a fibo or modify a fibo type progression with most of my plays...it's never a strict fibo...fibo is the basis for most of my progressions.

For me the key to money management is to have a bankroll vs unit size utilized that doesn't have you at a major disadvantage against the game you are playing.  In the question I was pondering regarding 100 units lifetime it's a scenario set for disaster becasue no matter how good your method or methods may be...there is always a drawdown and there is always the run from hell.

The trick is to play small enough that you can use a light progression with a stop loss and then start attacking again maybe a step or two up the rung in a "recovery" type mode.  100 units doesn't give you any room for error.

I often win too little because if I win early on in the progressions there just isn't enough money on the table.  But...that being said...be happy to make a small win and go on about your business somewhere else.  It's a cyclical game and comes in waves.  If you are winning alot and play in a certain manner...the losses may be coming (normally when you are ready to amp up the bet because you are winning too little)   You have to accept the small gain...be thankful that you increased your bank and call it good.

Playing small and well within your bankroll is the key in my mind.  If you are stretched thin you are living on borrowed time. 

As a point of reference (I play several methods simultaneously so it magnifies the multiplier)  $1 unit per every $10,000-$15,000 of bank.   That would let me play at a ratio of 1:3000 (unit:bank) across 3-5 methods

Obviously $100 units are out of the question...and I never play EC's and seldom play 2:1's...mostly inside with 1-3 numbers targeted...sometimes 4-5 on a wheel sector or strip of felt
#2
Roulette Key Gold / Re: still here !
March 21, 2015, 06:36:33 PM
glad it went well    hope the recovery goes smooth
#3
Quote from: The Crow on March 20, 2015, 06:42:20 PM


It has been my experience that anyone who is an expert in roulette is also an expert in other forms of gambling or sports, like poker, billiards, chess, darts, golf, ping pong, to name a few.

It's not easy. "It's a hard way to make easy money."

The Crow

Yeah only takes 10-15 years of real dedication and focused effort to be an overnight success      25 years to really be "around the block"
#4
Roulette also offers alot in the way of compounding as Richard touched on.

Not many places where you can turn money this fast

On an automatic wheel we get 55-65 spins per hour and a live wheel anywhere from 28-70

Based on the Rule of 72 it doesn't take too many modest sessions at an overall small % gain to make it work.  Obviously any losses along the way drag out the process...which is where proper bankroll and money management come into play.

10 hourly sessions making only 7% +/- and I have doubled my bank.  With proper bankroll and play 7% is not unachievable on a very regular basis.  Lots of spins...faster than the track or other sports, requires less capital than arbitrage by a ton and with 35:1 payouts makes recovery much easier than the basically EC style games.

That's my abbreviated take
#5
Roulette Forum / Re: Gap Theory
February 08, 2015, 11:49:39 PM
Gaps or Skips...depending on your jargon are absolutely essential

I use them across the board and have for years.

Roulette comes in waves and this helps to identify times to attack, the intensity of the attack as well as the retreat point.

It is a cornerstone
#6
Quote from: The Crow on February 07, 2015, 04:49:47 PM
Life as a gambling Pro seems too broad. How about life as a roulette professional?, that's more like it.
You don't need 500k as a bank, 50k tops. You can binge gamble once a month to make enough to maintain a living. What more do you want?, unless you are an amateur who needs to gamble every chance you can.

Life is good.

The Crow

yep   $50 is about right (maybe a little more depending on what kind of living you want to maintain  :nod:)
#7
Roulette Forum / Re: Stats for betting 2 dozens
January 14, 2015, 09:46:09 PM
Most of my play is based on gap analysis...short bursts of betting...but across multiple fronts (hot numbers, wheel itself, felt, etc)

It is a core element of everything (gaps) I do 

Although I would be hard pressed to ever bet 2 dozens because of the lack of recoverability...if that's actually a word I don't know
#8
General Discussion / Re: @Jimske
January 11, 2015, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on January 10, 2015, 07:27:48 PM

I start to read rouletteforum cc more and more - i don't feel this is a gambling forum any more - this forum has become a blog spot for some users and kindergarden for others.

Another post that is on-point

This is a gambling forum...there is still plenty to argue about regarding gambling if that is what some people strive for (aggressive interaction)

I don't really care for all the personal blogs but I have the right to just skip over them or peruse. 

I do understand that personal things interject themselves from time to time and that's all part of the big picture.  I am not really sure how to... or whether we really should... legislate or administrate the blog type entries out of the forum.  In the end this forum is competing for our time and energies with other like targeted forums.  If the allure and value isn't here...some will go elsewhere.  The forum needs to determine what it is about and how it means to achieve it's goals and attract and retain members.  It's probably losing the competition with other forums right now if I had to guess and Sputnik is not alone in the float back to rouletteforum.cc

The forum would be better for me and I would spend more time here than other forums if it's content was more gambling based. (I am not ready to say that the blogs need to be banned though)  However it just doesn't seem like there is much gambling chatter going on here...and that kinda is the point of this whole site. 

There's my two cents
#9
General Discussion / Re: @Jimske
January 10, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
Quote from: Bayes on January 10, 2015, 10:28:45 AM
Personally, I would get rid of all the personal blogs, community votes etc, which just distract from the purpose of a forum IMO. This isn't a "community", it's just a venue for like-minded people to discuss gambling and related topics, so I don't think there should be any requirement that we all get along.

Spot on
#10
Sports Betting Forum / Re: NFL bet 5
December 03, 2014, 12:01:29 AM
they had their chance at the upset...but as a Dolphins fan I am just glad the J-E-T-S  S-U-C-K
:beer: >:D
#11
Quote from: Mike on November 03, 2014, 07:37:46 AM

And "one foot pointed toward the door" is just "hit and run" style of play, or "quit while you're ahead", which is so ridiculous that it beggars belief. Quitting while ahead only works once. Having got ahead, quit, and never set foot inside a casino again.

Mike

I suppose if you twist it around a bit you can come to these conclusions...but basically I think you are driving this out of context

I don't know what end you are trying to get to with this

But to clarify my positions let me explain that I play for anywhere from a couple hours to 18 hours at a time so most would never accuse me of "hit and run" tactics.  I set a win goal and if I achieve it I stop.  I may start a new session with another win goal an hour or so later ... after they give me a buffet to think about it.  I may even play a little after I hit my win goal as sometimes the win takes me over the top a bit so I will give it a couple more spins and try to turn a good day into a great day without giving back my predetermined winnings goal.

But to insinuate that once up we would never return to gaming basically seems pretty simplistic and almost on the verge of argumentative in nature. 

You kinda caught me off-guard with that last part... unaccustomed to your style of witty retort as my 8 year old outgrew that stage of arguments a couple years ago

Good luck with your gaming...sorry I ruffled your feathers agreeing with what I felt was some common sense that needed to be interjected into the discussion
#12
Quote from: NathanDetroit on November 02, 2014, 10:10:08 PM
So much for fiction .

Reality: Seasoned players  accept a Win goal between 15 and 20 % The  higher the bankroll the lower the win goal.Loss limit of original bankroll  a comfortable 25 %.


Professional players have always one foot pointed towards the door.



For recreational purposes only. Play at your own risk.

And from beyond DeepSpace good ole Blue Eyes enters as the voice of reason

solid...as usual

thanks ND
#13
General Discussion / Re: 0 00 1 2 3
October 27, 2014, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: Mr J on October 27, 2014, 03:37:39 AM
Very interesting, I'll be book marking this page for future study. In a way, I (we) kind of already know this info but could not really do the math or know the lingo of it.

"What the ACTUAL take is for roulette".......Hmmm

Ken
either way (actual or theoretical) take, hold or edge...roulette still pays us the highest comps

so we got that goin' for us [smiley]aes/money.png[/smiley]
#14
Even chance / Re: Cluster EC
August 30, 2014, 11:14:43 PM
Along Tomla's line of thinking...Martingale can get very expensive very quick and the return for risk just isn't there...for me anyways.

I might try this on a Fibo with dozens or columns though and cap at 55 or 89 and drop back 2 levels after a win...I just like the recovery abilities better with the 2 for 1.  If you were bankrolled for a Marty a Fibo should be within reach and the profitability is better on the first win and if you can back that up with another in short order you are in really great shape.

For the record...I still prefer just a couple straight up numbers...
#15
General Discussion / Re: After years.....
July 01, 2014, 07:12:45 PM
I am with the very few numbers bet group.

I'm sort of in-between on the how long to stick with it.  Individual numbers I will hang with for 8-16 spins at this point for most of the methods I play.

But I will use progressions both negative and positive.  Flat betting is fine.  But I would rather lose some bigger money occassionally to make decent returns for the much larger portion of the time.

Just the way I play...works for me and my mindset