Why can't people just express a though?

That's what this place is for. Not riddles.

Quote from: NathanDetroit on July 23, 2016, 03:46:21 PM
Never attempt to outsmart  the table.

My  method is always predetermined.



For the single 0 wheel  I`ll stick to the First and Third Dozen. Look at the wheel and you`ll  see why .



For the 0/00 wheel  I follow the WASHOO2  2 dozen method.



For recreational purposes nly. Play at your own risk .

Ahh here we go again. 2nd time in 5 min I see you throwing out suggestions about
why this or that is "better". Why not just SAY why. SEPECIFICALLY.

Obviously you can read and type.  Just put it down.

This isn't a game show.


If I had a $1 for every time I see you throw out the SAME vague things,
I could make my living just reading your posts.

"Ah another Nathan post. More carrots on a stick".

Nathan.

Is all you can do is beat the same drum and insult people?

Simple point. We've already established communications in the forum.
Why do we need to jump through other hoops to "find out more"?

I've tested this thing, and overall it requires intuition. Which you are not
willing to say.

You mean having 2 as both choices?
I understand.

I THINK you would just bet 2.

But it doesn't address the question of actual money bet.

Quote from: mogul397 on August 31, 2016, 12:35:47 PM
In his original description I think he says to bet both. And I was
hoping that he would clarify that and also show an example of
math for betting. The amounts, and so forth.

Below is his description.
First you get 2 and 3.  You bet vertically and bet "2".
You get the 4.  So for the bottom right spot, you are betting
4 (horizontal) and 3 (vertical).  9 numbers each, as he said.

It almost looks like you would have one vertical choice, followed by
a DOUBLE choice, followed by a vertical.  But I'd like to see how the
betting works out.



Then , going horizontally, left to right you bet for a repeat, or double, or twin.

2 3

No win, carry on - noting that you bet again for 2, because you are going for a vertical twin.

2 3
4

Still no joy, now bet numbers 3 and 4 = 18 numbers in total

2 3
4 4

Quote from: ludo8400 on August 31, 2016, 12:02:49 PM
@Mogul397

We cannot see in the first item from Buffalowizzard what to do, if the vertical and horizontal are the same?

ex.
1 2
2
What to bet after the 2 misses horizontal and vertical?

or we bet 1 and 2.?

What is your opinion?

kindly regards

ludo8400

In his original description I think he says to bet both. And I was
hoping that he would clarify that and also show an example of
math for betting. The amounts, and so forth.

Can you show an example of betting amounts and
profit/loss?

I notice some of your example the 4th is a win, presumably
meaning you bet both horizontal and vertical.

Show how the math would work Please?

Quote from: NathanDetroit on August 27, 2016, 07:42:08 PM
Players have been brainwashed with the HE.If you wanna dance you got to pay the fiddler.


The casino need and want the DROP ( losses from the players ) . They love players trying to win back their losses  and in this process lose even more. The bankroll has been weakened and the casinos  know it.

I understand what you're saying. But to take it a step further, I'm not sure I would
give so much credit to the mentality of the casino.  From where I see it they're all
just a bunch of grunts running around watching and enforcing rules to keep people
in line.  Showing up for work.

For them, it's an ultimate win. They have the time and the pockets. How they feel
can't effect that.

The larger thing that matters for them is getting the business.  Lately that is becoming
more of a problem as they are building casinos like corner drug stores and the competition
for that "drop" is getting harder and harder.

I don't know if the figures are right but someone told me that planrigde (opened June last  year)
had it's revenue drop to 60% or something. They need money ground through the machines.
And the slots are the most reliable.

Quote from: NathanDetroit on August 27, 2016, 07:26:06 PM
Mogul,


As much as I would  love to answer your question my solid money management  includes leaving a session after 3 losses in a row or when I have reached  reached  the loss limit of 25 % of the session bankroll.

Those spread sheets tell  me the  whole story. Therefore take the time and calculate  for yourself.

Here on this forum as well asmn Steve`s RFcc I feel muzzled to speak the truth as  I see it .More and more Orwellian.

MM info for recreational  purposes only. Play at your own risk.

Well talking in riddles doesn't help.  It gets old.  People will only view you as
a "sage" so long. Until the realize you aren't saying anything.

The only fact I can glean from your response is the 25% drawdown. Yes, those
graphs do exibit more than that, it might seem.  Each time. So I suppose a method
where that does or can happen is not for you. Even if it works.

In this and many forums I occasionally see methods that appear
to work. What I mean by that is that they get endorsements from
people that they work. Here is one example.

http://betselection.cc/street-4/the-active-twins/

rouletteplayer says this works.

Now my question is this. I have seen this a number of times. And it
always seems like when it happens, the thread ends.

Do people actually come here to narrow down or find ways
that work? And if they do, do they play them? And in the unlikely
event that they DO play them, to they come back and report?
And say "this is great!!! I'm winning now"?

Or is it just reverse psychology and no one really wants to win?

What happens past this black hole?

I came across this method from Izak ("lets talk winning")
a while ago.

The method, simple, is to bet 11 streets, winning 1 unit per spin.
That stripped down method seems a little harsh. But I have seen some
variations on this lately that are interesting.

Not knowing any better, when I first heard about it I tried it.
Real money. Real wheel. $10 per street. (Izak starts out by saying
to bet $100 per street, and win $100.) I won first spin. And lost
the 2nd spin at the time. Lost $110.

Now, looking at methods that have this slant for leverage, sometimes you
need to modify your perspective. There is a saying where, instead of grinding
nickles and dimes, just toss down a $1000 bet for one event and call it a day.
That is more the direction this leans. But I've encountered two more advocates
of this method.

So the other day  I went and played it.  The basis seems to point to looking
for a street to repeat in the last 6 streets, then bet against it. I more or less
bet against recent hits.

I made $5.50.  That's a lot of wins.

The zero didn't kill me. But odds are that you will get MANY more and consecutive
wins. If you get a zero and lose, you can recoup.  You could bet 1x the next spin
and recoup. It is highly unlikely that you will lose 2 in a row.

I am working with it, and it has no hard bounderies. But playing and managing
carefully, I think, has merit. You could recoup in parts.

But I thought I'd throw it out and get a conversation rolling. I've had both
experiences. Live.

You feel pretty confident winning with this. You've just gotta be ready to recoup
once in a while.

Thoughts?

Quote from: Blue_Angel on March 09, 2016, 05:21:59 AM
No, he didn't question about this but about in which spin the first repeat for a street is going to happen.
For example:
1st spin, number 13, no bet
2nd spin, number 23, bet 5th street, -1 unit
3rd spin, number 32, bet 5th and 8th street, -3 units
4th spin, number 4, bet 5th,8th and 11th streets, -6 units
5th spin, number 18, bet 5th,8th,11th and 2nd streets, -10 units
6th spin, number 17, bet 5th,6th,8th,11th and 2nd streets, -3 units (first repeat on 8th street)
7th spin, number 23, bet 5th,6th,8th,11th and 2nd streets, +4 units
8th spin, number 26, bet 5th,6th,8th,11th and 2nd streets, -1 unit
9th spin, number 5, bet 5th,6th,8th,9th,11th and 2nd streets, +5 units

In the following 3 spins till the 12th spin there is remaining 1 more repeat because the average expectation is 4 and so far we got 3 repeaters.
In such case it's not in our best interest to bet the remaining 3 spins because we expect 2 loses and 1 win while we win and lose equal units as we are betting 6 streets.
I hope was clear.

Angel,

Can you give another example of this. I'm not sure I follow the amounts
you are betting on each street, etc.

Thanks

Mogul

Quote from: NathanDetroit on July 09, 2016, 11:18:47 PM
Please look at his spread sheets. They tell a story.

I think I know what you are saying Nathan. 

Could you be more clear about what story they tell?

When I look at it, I look at it from the perspective of a day trader.
There is a "channel".  And there are pullbacks, but the trend is up.
That is the story that I see.  That comes from using those tools to
evaluate it.

I am a "technical trader". There is a question asked.

Q: What is the worst thing that can happen to a technical trader"?
A:  "They might "hear" something.......

Technicians operate based on trends and expectations.  Hearing
stories about this or that, just clog up their minds.

But let me ask again. What story does it tell you? My imagination tells me
something less than good. But again, see how those "stories" can get mixed?

Agreed.  That's what we're here for.

Quote from: albertojonas on July 16, 2016, 12:24:08 AM
Day 16/07/2016

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I'm still intrigued by this, but would like to get you to explain it better. Maybe
you can explain one question at a time. So here is one question.

Question:  You are sitting at a wheel ready to bet.  How do you determine your
next bet?  Say you are betting red/black.  What is your next bet.
Almost seems silly to have to ask.