Well the only system I played at William hill has got banned from live play at their casino. Lol


I liked playing because of the low stakes..
Anybody wanna suggest another with low stakes?
If I remember correctly, ladbrokes, and paddypower  do not allow Canadian players.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 27, 2012, 08:27:05 PM
mmm doesn't sound good Twister. I too have noticed that just by going from pennies to Euros its harder to win.

But I will grind on. Im still in positive numbers even though my strikerate is in negative numbers. Ill either make 400 euro out of my 200 plus by January 31st. Or die trying.

Then Ill do the same challenge on PADDYPOWER. to show the difference. 

Hi. john


In a few days I will continue with playing PB at BV
Tho I will play less aggressively, I know I pushed PB  to its limits at  BV and it bit back!
That is fine !  It is learning experience, Some may say learning the hard way, but for me I have to try it, and see for it my own eyes.


For now I will just play live, BV was to tempting to just keep playing.


learning the game for me  is similar to my welding career, you have try things any number of ways. even purposely doing things wrong so you, can understand why and how things are the way they are.

hi. John


I'm just home for school.



I was betting 5,10,20 euro


and then for recover i bet 20, 40, 80




  On BV I went from not being able to lose.... bringing account from 170 euro up to 550,
Tho to be clear I was not hit and run exactly.
I was playing between 3 different RNG tables, I would play one RNG, close  it down , and then start a new game on different RNG.


two days ago, I played about 15 to 20 games and then ran into a double loss.
So I shutdown for the day, start the next day and I got a double loss on my second session.


I will probably try again and go for a pure hit and run...
because like I say I was truly pushing my luck for the amount games I was playing
but for me, It is a learning experience!

Im done with betvoyager!


Two double losses in two days.
Just had a double loss on only my second game of the day.


the double losses with bad string of single losses without a recovery bet , pretty much wiped out my BR.

Hi Subby.


for my self, I consider a double loss as losing both HL and EO, in the same game session.

yes, interesting stats john.




   I have been playing the hell out of BV, really over playing the system. I realize that!  seeing how far  I can push it. So its all good!





but that being said I did have my first double loss this morning on BV.


   Although in hindsight, I probably never should have made the second bet.
firstly the game had gone passed 60 spins.
and the last two patterns to form against each other were HHH and LLL.




Was not a good bet!

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 22, 2012, 02:44:14 PM
It will come trust me B.C lol. When I started I had a dual winning  streak of  32


for HIGH LOW-- ODD EVEN. Now they're losing about 1 in 10. What I expect. I've also had my first double loss so be careful about raising too high.

Live I seldom lose two in a row, but its early days on BV.

Hi. John


Yes I definitely , play a more reasonable recovery. I try to win about half my first bet back.
My loss came  last night on game 25, it was on the second betting round , So the next few games I upped my bet and recovered easily.

It seems like 25-30 wins in a row is the threshold

playing Pilots Way.


5 euro base unit.


21 games won (42 bets) on both even chances, Zero losses.... I'm waiting for a loss then I will step up unit size.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 22, 2012, 01:32:46 PM
That's some impressive stats B.C. I wonder how Shogun and Tarantino are doing.

Im travelling at mo, so no play. When I get back on friday. I will resume my fresh assault on BV with bigger stakes.lets see if I can hold onto 14/1.

Hi john.

sitting at 21/1 rite now... gonna play for few more hours. see where i end up

As well I would add that I just had the welcome bonus of my initial deposit of 130 euro, just credited to my account...
I had the account originally for use with flukey luke S9 bot, not really using the bot anymore... but pattern breaker is taking BV to pieces!

To release the bonus i had to wager 130x50.
My account is now at 650 gonna step up unit size soon!

Playing pilots way, only  EO / HL . I'm 17 for 17 games played at betvoyager. alternating between , zero and no zero tables




That is 34 bets all won for 5 euro


Also FYI , I track zero, as low, black, and even.
just because I feel like tracking it that I still have a good strike rate!

Quote from: subby on November 22, 2012, 11:05:21 AM
It all adds up though...every little helps as they say. That's a great position to be in, multiple small money wins with the odd ten fold win thrown in, sounds good to me 

Also take a side thought at the small bets adding up...

1 win with a small bet might equal 1% of a total loss of the huge 2nd bet....you get 100 smaller bets and you have covered the loss with the 2nd huge bet...given how frequently you lose on a second bet then that's a great safety net.

Can I ask what sort of units you are betting and what your bankroll is? If you'd rather not say I'll understand 

Hi. subby


my bankroll is about 2000 at bet365.
I'm staking 10, 20, 40


and also at betvoyager my BR is 500
I'm staking 5, 10, 20

That is my latest staking plan.
I was using base units of 2, and 3 dollar.....
but I'm playing around to find what works best.

I have won 315 euro at betvoyager since the 18th

Quote from: Superman on November 18, 2012, 04:12:08 PM

Glad to hear you enjoy my posts mate, yeah I did a few shutdowns at a big refinery, rotating the pipes etc, replacing valves, who would have thought crude oil could wear the inside of pipes as much as it does? amazing really.

Hi. superman


You mention wear on pipes. yes I'm familiar with that. I just finished a job rebuilding a refinery after a massive hydrogen explosion, caused from excessive wear on piping.


My latest results.


I have played pattern breaker all week.


95 games won round one.
8 games went to round two and recovered.


As well today,
I  have been playing pilots way for , 14 games, only betting against h/l e/o
I have won all 14 games played today.
I think that is how will I play from now on. my initial plan to make profit on the second round bet is not working out, because the first round is strong strike rate, I rarely get second round to bet.

I have just began tracking my results. I record each game in a excel file.




I played forty games this weekend


playing between live tables at william hill, and at betvoyager on the zero and no zero tables.




Out of the forty played games, 3 of of those game lost on first round , which took me to the 2nd round of betting where I recovered my loss, plus more winnings.


 
round 1 wins       round 2 wins


H/L   18                       3
E/0   15
zero   3


So basically that is a first round strike rate of 13/1
I cover zero on every bet.

For B/M play I thought about a phone app, that you could use to track pattern breaker and signal bets.... but that might not be practical because once your actually betting at the table you can no longer use your phone. 


That would a problem if you playing a recovery bet, and that recovery bet was a triggered immediately after a round one loss.. you may not have time to check your app/ or react to the immediate recovery bet.

so instead, little something I came up to make playing B/M casino easier.

basically just a card you can write down the groups of numbers, and then just cross off the patterns as they come up.

this should keep you organized and make tracking simple


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Quote from: Superman on November 18, 2012, 07:58:04 AM

LOL me too mate, at one point I had my full set of codes, mainly welded with DC low hydrogen pipework for air conditioner systems, preasure vessels were my favourite though, there's nothing better than sitting in a black tin can breathing fumes lol.

That was about 20 years ago, now I code for web applications, which also made it possible to code bots n trackers etc for roulette. So even as a welder/boilermaker you too can code your own things if you put your mind to it.
 
It's your cash, if you can afford to lose it and won't starve if you do, then do with it as you want to, your choice buddy.

Hi. superman


I always enjoy reading your posts.
Myself I work heavy industrial, oil refineries, pulp and paper mills,  and the such.
tho I'm currently off work for 6 months to upgrade my welding ticket a local college.


So with the "down time" from work , I may get my feet wet with some coding. I have  started to watch some training vids and such,  I will eventually learn.