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2 / Multiple "Timelines" from the same set of spins
« on: July 17, 2019, 06:26:46 am »
A timeline is an ordered stream of sequential data for an event.

A single numerical stream of spins can be used to generate multiple timelines.

Let's illustrate with a simple event: DOZEN JUMP.

We have three dozens:

Dozen #1 = Numbers 1 to 12.
Dozen #2 = Numbers 13 to 24.
Dozen #3 = Numbers 25 to 36.

Let's use a numerical cycle from a recent Wiesbaden casino table to generate a timeline stream.

We simply write the next dozen spun under the former one.

From #6 to #14 => from Dozen 1 to Dozen 2 => We add 2 under D1.



From #14 to #33 => from Dozen 2 to Dozen 3 => We add 3 under D2.


From #33 to #6 => from Dozen 3 to Dozen 1 => We add 1 under D3.


From #6 to #35 => from Dozen 1 to Dozen 3 => We add 3 under D1.

2, 3

From #35 to #1 => from Dozen 3 to Dozen 1 => We add 1 under D3.

2, 3
1, 1

From #35 to #1 => from Dozen 3 to Dozen 1 => We add 1 under D3.

2, 3
1, 1

From #1 to #6 => from Dozen 1 to Dozen 1 => We add 1 under D1.

2, 3, 1
1, 1

From #6 to #14 => from Dozen 1 to Dozen 2 => We add 2 under D1.

2, 3, 1, 2
1, 1

From #14 to #7 => from Dozen 2 to Dozen 1 => We add 1 under D2.

2, 3, 1, 2
3, 1
1, 1

And so forth for the cycle, adding dozen jumps:

2, 3, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1, 3, 3, 1, 2, 3 
3, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3 
1, 1, 1, 3, 2, 2, 3, 3, 2

We can also notice another popular combination of 12-number sets fit for obtaining "3 groups of 12 numbers", namely the Columns:

Column #1: Numbers 4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34.
Column #2: Numbers 2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35.
Column #3: Numbers 3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36.

Let's use the same procedure to generate another timeline set using columns with the same spins:

From #6 to #14 => from Column 3 to Column 2 => We add 2 under C3.




From #14 to #33 => from Column 2 to Column 3 => We add 3 under C2.



From #33 to #6 => from Column 3 to Column 3 => We add 3 under C3.


2, 3

From #6 to #35 => from Column 3 to Column 2 => We add 2 under C3.


2, 3, 2

From #35 to #1 => from Column 2 to Column 1 => We add 1 under C2.

3, 1 
2, 3, 2

From #1 to #6 => from Column 1 to Column 3 => We add 3 under C1.


3, 1 
2, 3, 2 

From #6 to #14 => from Column 3 to Column 2 => We add 2 under C3.


3, 1 
2, 3, 2, 2

From #14 to #7 => from Column 2 to Column 1 => We add 1 under C2.


3, 1, 1 
2, 3, 2, 2

Likewise, so forth for the cycle, adding column jumps:

3, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 3, 3, 3, 2, 3, 1 
3, 1, 1, 3, 2, 3, 3, 1, 2, 1, 1 
2, 3, 2, 2, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1

As you can see, there is no difference in the procedure.

It is the actual amount of numbers in each set what really matters.

Any set of a certain amount generates roughly the same dynamics across spins, as seen in their timeline.

So, we can use any 3 sets or combination of 12 numbers to generate more timelines with a similar unfolding.

How many combinations should we use to generate such parallel timelines, based on each configuration's uniqueness?

Perhaps 10 simultaneous combinations? Maybe 100  simultaneous combinations? Should we go 1000 combinations of 12-number divisions at the same time?...

There used to be a very hard limit for regular casino players to monitor manually between two roulette spins, but -shifting to nowadays- how many combinations do you think moderns computers can handle concurrently? Hint: an ever-increasing amount as time goes by! Even on commodity hardware.

The time between spins can be used to make an immense amount of computations in modern times. Equivalent to an army of manual players from the past, with the added benefit of removing human errors from note-taking.

When using three full numerical cycles at your disposal for analysis, you certainly can see what's going on in the monitored timelines for your betting events to make an "educated guess" if you wish, regarding their current performance for picking/choosing which one(s) to back.

This is just an arbitrary example. The actual amount of different combinations for three groups of 12 numbers to act as your in dozens is very large. You will have enough to focus on different slices of numerical groups during a -very, very- large amount of sessions.

The underlying event still being the same for all of them: "DOZEN JUMP" (going form a select group of 12 numbers to another group of 12 numbers --or itself, for a jump in the same spot).

Within this event you can permute enough to have a gazillion 12-NUMBER / DOZEN GROUPS for generating separate timelines from which to choose your focus. All of their timelines powered using the same set of numbers spun.

Hope this sheds some light for your understanding on how a single event can generate myriad  "timelines" using the same stream of spun numbers.

Each of them being equally valid (or invalid!) from the dry mathematical point of view, but nonetheless there's nothing preventing you as a player to give "weight" to the ones you deem better & play for a continuation in their current "state of affairs" i.e. a continuation in their currently-displayed set of events.

« on: July 12, 2019, 07:47:09 pm »
This is the last piece of the puzzle to many fellows: Every session a different one.

Betting using "meta systems" so to speak. Built out of "meta patterns" unfolding across spins.

This means betting N amount of timelines for you to choose according to how the game flows in the current state of affairs you are witnessing.

Not one of them is better than the other according to math, but empirical observation places weight to certain configurations vs the others when considering the extra dimension of "time" (as a slice of sequential history in the data).

Yes, they all may go south as you enter betting. Nonetheless, why not choose among the better possible ones? Stiff betting systems are doomed to fail.

We have the technological means to handle massive simultaneous data streams when compared to manual betting. Players from the past didn't have this option. Every little thing that may add to improvements in our game is good to be embraced!

Becoming a moving target in such a way can prove to be one of the very few possible advantages while surfing the data stream, along with proper money management for maximizing wins & minimizing losses to beat the averages.

In the end, as there is no beginning or end to the numerical stream in infinity, we are forced to create our very own frames of reference in order to imprint the characteristics we get to "see" to act upon over time.

Going dynamic vs stiff may be the final key to keep yourself "current" when trying to hold your ground in the overall never-ending goal of beating infinity.

It may be the piece of the puzzle giving your personal betting stream the proper direction while asymptotically going toward the best current configuration, even as we know the best one changes dynamically, hence you should re-calibrate or re-evaluate your current scenario to change with the flow of the numerical stream too.

Our personal struggle is an "averages game".

Chances are we'd never possibly beat infinity but we may beat our own played numerical stream during a satisfactory-enough length to become "winners".

4 / What's next for 2019?
« on: July 09, 2019, 10:44:55 pm »
The year hasn't come to an end yet! These are the most relevant projects under my current radar:


    Paid number-picking web application. Likely the last set of full methods coming from me.
  • BetSoftware, BetMaker
    Either going by such naming or under the public domain umbrella. It's the same code & releases.


  • Public domain site.
    The new flagship site for publishing ALL the desktop/mobile/server programs due to be published. The other smaller sites & projects are sponsored by this larger one.
  • Abundance site
    Deals with helping humanity enter the age of abundance, mostly via technological means. There is enough technology for us live in & (realistically) make our own version of "paradise on Earth". Energy, food, water, transportation... The site is focused on bringing awareness to users about the existing solutions for improving our way of life. One improvement item at a time.

5 / A recipe for winning the averages
« on: June 29, 2019, 08:30:37 am »
1) Hitting before depleting your progression.
2) Compounding after hitting / winning.
3) Regressing to minimal-unit bet after a progression loss.

Average it out.

#1 is entirely based on your bet selection. It doesn't need to beat the house edge flat betting to infinity, it needs to get you a hit before your session/attack bankroll is exhausted.

#2 achieves winning the most as you enjoy a concentration of hits. When it is "your time" to make a killing, you should really squeeze it. No limit imposed on the wins while on the positive trams whatsoever!

#3 makes you lose the least when facing dispersion. This makes a world of a difference in the averages.  Regressing to the minimal unit makes it harder for the casino to fetch the units you won.

Inter-session money management is a must too. You should have as many minimal-unit bankrolls as possible while having room for increasing your unit. This is achieved by using a MM plan comprised by multiple minimal banks with the front-facing one increasing its value as you compound.

i.e. 75% Money Management plan.


General Discussion / My side, new projects, comments
« on: June 17, 2019, 11:41:27 am »
Hello there! The recent announcement of my resignation and "letting go" of the board may come to you as a surprise. As a matter of fact, just a few days ago it wasn't even on the table!

This was a flash agreement picking up a former one with Glen as part of the possible paths for the board.

The big-picture scenario being this:

I've quit my day job & I'm moving forward in this (rather wonderful) "game of life" toward fulfillment by doing what I love.

Programming for the public domain and actually discussing systems/methods is more in line with my inner/personal goals, so I've taken on the opportunity.

My new spaces being developed are +

Our paths are still together for the next five (5) years as I remain the forum's tech guy during this period as per the new agreement.

As I leave  all "forum politics" aside to focus on software development and actual betting-only engagement @ the new sites, productivity comes as a natural byproduct in the form of new releases for our community and the internet at large.

I took this step to begin living a more-enriching life as a result of this move. My wife is supportive of it since my online goal is driven (first & foremost) by sustaining our family. She's happy, I'm happy, our son's happier, the members who want to discuss bet selection & actually see something coming in the form of software surely get to be happier.

Also, members who enjoy the forum "as is" should be happier too since basically remains the same it has been posting-wise for some time now with no disruption in sight for the foreseeable future.

Well, just wanted to express my side.

I go back to productivity & coding. As we expand to doing public domain work now, we are poised to be a positive force for enriching more than one life.

May some of you who read this use and enjoy the new software releases & dig our new endeavors/sites.

A balanced, focused & happy,

This is a "protocolar annoucement" regarding forum sale:

Hello everyone.  Here is my official announcement about BetSelection Website and Forum Board.  Short and Simple.  I am making following announcement today as it was released from our counsel which I edited down to this:

"I have sold the Website and Forum, BetSelection to Alrelax (Glen).  Glen transferred the money on Friday to our counsel and it is currently being rerouted to me and my family.  I confirm that, after the confirmation from our counsel.  There is nothing else to post, answer or question regarding the transaction that occurred.  The transaction is subjected to a legal confidentiality agreement and other legal binding terms prohibiting further answering and engagement of Q&A inquiries regarding it.

The entire site is now owned in full without any further monetary obligation by Glen.  I plan to stay on without open forum involvement as Glen's IT and technical employee which he has contracted with me for a period of five years.

I wish everyone well and thank you for your understanding of what was best for my family that Glen made possible".

Signed, Victor/VLS.

General Discussion / What to do with the forum?
« on: June 14, 2019, 04:32:02 pm »
Hi guys,

The forum's current state does not reflect my ideal on a place to discuss about bet selection, money management & betting-related topics/material.

I'm pondering what to do about it.

  • We won't close.
  • We won't sell.

...But it doesn't really feel right to let it stay "as is" right now.

What would I prefer to run? A community where:

  • Members actually discuss betting topics only.
  • People treat each other in an amicable/polite fashion.

While we can't really force people to like each other, it is wise to be open to suggestions on how to deal with our current situation.

Yes, we can always reboot the site & start with a new clean slate, but let's hear your suggestions.

Both "inside the box" and "outside the box" approaches welcome.

9 / Free & Fifty technique (Money management)
« on: June 03, 2019, 04:29:50 pm »
This is a money management technique aimed at obtaining a free bankroll to play @ the regular 50% compounding rate used by the tools with no stop win.

It has two stages:

1) Free bankroll stage.

From the beginning of the game, you re-invest 100% of your wins back into the main bankroll to increase the betting unit, up to the point of doubling your bank.

This stage is aimed at cutting the exposure time of your own money needed to double your bankroll.

Once you have doubled, you set your initial bankroll apart (plus any other won unit) then begin betting worry-free as you won't lose anything.

From this point onward it's a true free-play session.

2) Fifty percent stage.

Once you have your free bankroll to risk made out of casino money, you can play with a 50% compounding rate knowing it's pure profit.

This stage's aim is obtaining the most units for your profit & lifetime reserve as per:

(Original MM post)

50% of all net wins go back to being re-invested to rise the unit, while the other 50% is split between your profits & lifetime reserve.

There is no stop-win in order to match the objective of making the most out of the tools' positive trams. Your session ends only with your last possible bet. At this point you take your bankrolls' leftover units (adding more when enlarged in value), then it's back to stage #1.

10 / 98-unit parachute
« on: June 02, 2019, 09:17:36 am »
This parachute differs from the traditional 36-unit parachute in the following points:

  • It begins from the double-street in order to maximize first-cycle gains & "opening" it for regular juicier payouts.
  • Always attains +1 (or more) when hitting.
  • Attaches a straight-up progression toward its continuation to spin #62.

Spin #LocationBet amountLoss + CostAmount wonProfit

Since a 100-unit bankroll is considered for the tools, there are always 2 units left. This is by design; given the 98-unit parachute is being used while compounding, the units increase in value. This can prove a helpful token.

11 / 3 cycles to start
« on: June 02, 2019, 06:56:09 am »
All the betting tools require 3 full cycles to start.

  • European: 37 * 3 = 111 spins.
  • American: 38 * 3 = 114 spins.
  • No zero:  36 * 3 = 108 spins.


In my years of playing I've found out 3 straight-up cycles is a fair point to get a taste of the numerical "averages" as well as enough spins for grasping where the game is "flowing" toward.


Any number not showing for the past 3 cycles is certainly a sleeper one.

You can see how hot numbers moved from cycle to cycle.

Also, you get a pretty fair view on the rhythm of intricacies such as "waker" numbers/locations, their wheel & layout matches/movements along with stats on how they relate to each other.

Three cycles is definitely enough to determine which ones continued steadily together with knowing the ones which halted their state & mutated to suit your filters.

...While many other betting systems do begin betting earlier, any reasonable punter would be happy to wait in line for a better chance to win compared to his current method :)

Data collection comes at no cost.

  • Spins from first 3 full cycles are free in all of our tools.
  • Only spins where the tools call an actual bet count toward using bought spin credits.
  • After the initial spin window is collected, all the tools proceed to call bets on every newly-entered spin.

...Once there are enough members actively betting with our tools, we can make a real-time database using the spins collected accurately with our bots.

This way members using the same casino feed(s) can help each other to begin playing their sessions immediately by fetching the latest 3 cycles from the server.

We'll get there! (We have to begin somewhere)

12 / info
« on: June 01, 2019, 09:31:46 pm »
Hello guys,

Our website is currently in preparation. It's a sister project yet bearing its own database.

The gist of it is simple: offering tools calling roulette numbers in real time for users to bet on.

These tools are offered in the hopes they fare better than hiring users' current system.

Threads under this section are all related to the foundations used by the offered tools.

We're also using the sponsorship brought by the tools to support our free projects.


Hello guys, I did it! I've quit my day job so I'm supported by online means from now on.

I've come to the realization I must simply "do".

No pay-walls for content & software; if the folks want to support, they're going to. I must simply put the quality releases out there as a motivation.

I'm also keeping you informed of my non-gambling ventures to fulfill these Public Domain dreams toward sustaining my loved ones.

You surely get to notice the new gambling content + software releases :)

This is ongoing so...

If you want to be part of our personal history, the best time to support is now:

This feels right & aligned with that we stand for.

Thank you.
A humbled,

Straight-up / One-number Target [#01]
« on: May 20, 2019, 07:19:01 pm »
Let's consider two (2) ways to target one number.

The first way is rather straightforward even as it can require a dose of patience:

Track all numbers until there is only one (1) sleeping number remaining to appear.
Wait as many spins as needed until such sleeping number shows.
Bet this number for no more than one numerical cycle (i.e. 36 spins)
After the number hits, "look back" in the numerical stream to spot the current "furthest back" sleeping number in order to repeat the procedure of waiting for this new target to appear.
For the second way you must keep track of every number that skipped 3 cycles (111+ spins on European or 114+ spins on the American wheel).

After any number from the eligible pool shows up, you use it as your new target bet.
When a number from the pool gets a hit while you are betting another one, you pause the betting until another number from this target sleeping group gets a hit or "wakes up".
You continue moving the target bet to the latest of the numbers skipping 3 cycles AFTER one of them is spun.
The tracking is done using a "rolling window" comprised by the latest 111 or 114 spins, as per the roulette wheel currently at hand.

Meta-selection / Consistent Location Tracking
« on: May 20, 2019, 07:17:07 pm »
This is a cycle-based way to track:
Even chance2 spins
Dozen/Column3 spins
Double street6 spins
Corner/Quad9 spins
Street12 spins
Split18 spins
Number36 spins

Let's see it by example on double-streets @ Wiesbaden 2019-10-14, table #2, in order to be able to comment properly.

You only mark one show of the location in your tracking chart, like this:


The idea is to visualize the contiguous cycles a certain betting location shows at a given time, in order to bet for its continuation as a currently-consistent spot.

You can use a progression covering up to the second cycle for compounding, but no more. You will encounter more positive "Mushrooms" of concatenated wins if you cover the skip.

The obvious entry-point is always the first spin of the cycle. You stop the attack on a hit, then wait for the first spin of the next cycle.

In case you are using a single bankroll, you must "look back" to spot the location with the longest "succession of success", namely the one that has won the most including the skips your progression allows.

When using dedicated banks per location, it can be advisable to wait for a winning signal before re-activating target location. i.e. entering after actual back-to-back cycles with a show.

You don't limit concatenated wins to enjoy the big-time mushrooms in full.

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