Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 14, 2017, 01:07:41 AM
No system is perfect unless one is proven to work good enough at least to limit losses and the person using it also manages his money. I think everyone will agree to that.

Stephen,

  Hopefully you won't be offended by some of the "reports" on your Ultimate Baccarat System but we do have some pretty serious and intelligent players here who can analyze and dissect pretty much anything that gets posted on the board as "new and exciting" or the "Ultimate" system play.  That's one of the reasons we're here, to see "new" ideas from time to time and see where they eventually lead to.

  We have been kind enough to NOT actually post the contents of your "book" but it is becoming harder and harder not to do so as your play is so simplistic and pretty much any player with more than six months in the game has already run "your" play and dropped it by the wayside, for several reasons.

  So please stick around and perhaps you can answer some questions that others may have.

  AD

Quote from: 21 Aces on June 13, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
Sorry - do you mind posting definitions/ links for TUBS, VDW, etc.?  Haven't seen these terms before.  Thanks.

Did you read this thread?  It's in there.

AD

Quote from: Sputnik on June 13, 2017, 05:42:51 PM
Mike ,,, what do you mean with fake review ? when i read the three reviews on amzon i can see that they buy papper edition and all three give it five stars.
One review mention testing it against 500 shoes with good results and i assume all is done flat betting.

So how are does fake reviews ?

Now two members at the topic Stephen R. Tabone started mention good reviews about his methodology.
How do you explain that!

Cheers

I personally can't see anyone giving that system play an "excellent" rating or even an "adequate" rating.   It's not worth the $10 for the Kindle version unless you are an absolute  Day 1, New Player with zero knowledge of the game and wagering in general.     If you fit that description, buy the Kindle version and stay a little longer in the casino.  You will lose at a very nice, slow rate and enjoy your stay at the table.  You may even get lucky with a nice opening ZZ run to show off your new found system play!

AD

Quote from: Eight Iron on June 12, 2017, 01:59:24 AM
Thanks for testing those shoes fellows.  I neglected to say I used a different strategy for those shoes where I won the four units.

The shoes yielded 3+3+3 = 9 units when I tested them using TUBS.

Well, if we can get "permission" from the author of TUBS, I'd like to post up the play from Shoe #2 which I show never goes positive after hand 14.  Obviously we're playing it differently.

AD

Quote from: ADulay on June 11, 2017, 08:42:42 PM
I'll have the three shoes played later once I get back from today's match.

AD

Playing by the rules established of +3 for the win and -6 to exit and flat betting. Here goes.

Shoe 1:  TUB +3   VDW -3
Shoe 2:  TUB -5    VDW -3
Shoe 3:  TUB -2    VDW +3


In the first shoe if TUB continues to play after winning the +3 it finishes at -3 for the entire shoe.
In the third shoe if VDW continues to play after winning the +3 it finishes at -2 for the entire shoe.

As none of those shoes had any long runs or long chops, they play out pretty neutral.

VDW looks for long runs of singles and straight side streaks.  Neither of those showed up in those shoes.

A good discussion of this "new" play would be nice but it would also be short.  The book is 38 pages long.  The information needed could be sent in a single text message.

There is a simple "fix" for the TUB play that would seriously help it out, but I'll leave that to the author of the book to include in the next iteration of the Ultimate Baccarat System.

AD

I'll have the three shoes played later once I get back from today's match.

AD

Quote from: bacply on June 10, 2017, 02:48:22 PM
After reading your post I bought the book in Kindle form.  I read it in about an hour.  I like most of the premise of your system but not sure I like the risk/reward aspect.  I will not give anything away, but I am willing to try it.

Thanks,

John

John,

   As my wife was trying to be nice or something, she purchased the Kindle version of TUBPBWS for me as a surprise and I got notice of it this morning when I logged on to my iPad.  Oh swell.

   I've warned her about buying things I "browse" when on Amazon but evidently this had the word "baccarat" in it so she "one clicked" it away.  Said something about it costing less than a hot dog and a beer at the casino.   It is also why I have all kinds of odd gadgets for the Glocks that I'll NEVER use.  Most of that stuff gets given away to people who think they need it.

   But I digress.  It's in my possession now so I'll see what it does.   For those of you who are curious, it is very close to Ellis' System 40 but eliminates System 40's strength on runs.   

   For the near future I will now run VDW/2 and TUBPBWS in tandem when anybody posts a live shoe here on the forum and report back the results.  At least you'll have some kind of benchmark.

  Also, I haven't actually purchased a baccarat book probably since before the internet and looking that old book, it does look like it was literally typed with an old Royal Selectric typewriter and edited into a manuscript.   Having just seen what passes for an internet Kindle "book" on baccarat, I may have to start publishing.

  So, when I have ample time, I'll play all new shoes posted running both methods, just for grins.

  AD

Quote from: stringbeanpc on May 16, 2017, 12:00:12 AM
ADulay, how do you define a  legitimate starting point

Any "1-2" start will suffice.

AD

Quote from: Nickmsi on May 14, 2017, 07:49:24 PM
Hi All,

Aduly says that after a BBB wins start a new session.
 
This is correct if you are playing the conventional VDW method which is to play the next 9 spins.

VDW can be played in many different ways.

Think about playing the LAST 9 spins instead.
 
Mathematically it is the same but you get so many more bets.

Cheers
Nick

Nick,

  Very true.

  Another way is the "rolling 9" meaning after any win simply back up to a legitimate "starting point" and resume from there.

  AD

Quote from: Baelog on May 14, 2017, 03:34:38 PM
Ok, so I have ran some simulations in Excel that I am posting here based on the information I have seen in the forum. I feel like I am very close to how Nickmsi is playing the game, but not all the way.

This is how I set up my excel program
- Only the 9 AP's
- Avoid mutual bet
- 500 random Descisions ( no live decks)
- Flatbet
- No stop loss

Here we go.

Baelog,

  Thanks for joining in on the discussion with your testing.

  I took a look at the first one and I don't believe it's being played correctly, at least from the standpoint of VDW proper.

  What is the wager at hand #2?

  Also, with the win at hand #5 (BBB) you would restart the sequence as any "win" ends the VDW session and starts a new one.

  Thanks for posting up.

  AD

Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 02, 2017, 05:42:37 AM
You should know better after all these years, I didn't expect to receive this respond from someone like you.
Just a friendly tip, the best way to decide what to bet is to wait to see where the most money have been bet and then bet the opposite.
If you are the only person at the table then good luck...!

The question remains unanswered: "Just how are they (the cards) arranged"?

Not the particular method as that would be pretty simple to do.

I'd like to know the arrangement they make so that everyone, or most, lose at the baccarat table.

And if they're rigging the shoe so that the wagers on the most money are losing, I'd really like to know that one.

Thanks.

AD

Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 02, 2017, 01:46:33 AM
Don't play those machines because they arrange the sequence of the cards,!

And just how are they "arranged"?

AD

Quote from: Baelog on May 01, 2017, 03:03:26 AM
ADulay
Could you teach me your style of play using VDW?

Baelog

I will grab one of the recently posted shoes on the site and transcribe it to a worksheet and post it up here with details of the line by line play.

Probably tomorrow as today is pretty well tied up with scheduled duties, 9 holes of golf and a shooting match tonight.

AD (Monday night Match Director)

Quote from: Blue_Angel on April 26, 2017, 03:21:00 AM

Nothing prevents results to form a streak of 10, or a streak of chops or any other permutation you can imagine at any given time.
Why you cannot (don't want) understand common sense?!

BA,

  Would you care to explain why a streak of 10 or a streak of chops is a bad thing?

  It would be even better if you could explain why it is bad under the VDW play.

  Thanks.

  AD

NickMSI is currently writing about VDW over on the GamblersForum and the boys over there are being pretty harsh.

Most of them have apparently missed what he was attempting to explain so it would be pointless for me to jump in and attempt a mid-course correction of the discussion.

I still find the concept reasonably fascinating and having boiled it down into 4 simple wagers, it can be played "sans card" if you prefer.

123, 246, 147 and 258 from time to time.   You'll avoid the mutual win wager by restarting at 12 when it shows up.

Flat betting "solves" the Terrible Twos and allows you to mark time until the inevitable streaks of P, B and singles show up.

Just my two cents on the subject.

AD