Quote from: Trbfla on June 03, 2016, 11:54:07 PM
AD I just got it....lightbulb....the 2-5-8 right.....

You beat me to it!

AD

Quote from: plolp on June 03, 2016, 10:19:15 PM
Thanks for the description A dulay

line 14 you don't bet  because 1 4 7 give B

so  :  -2

Good catch.  Thanks.

AD

OK, in order to show just how this was played, I transcribed my play here with explanations.

The first wager is at hand 4 completing the 2-3-4 AP and restarting the next 9 hands.

Next wager is hand 7 completing the 1-2-3-AP and restarting the next 9 hands.

The 1-2-3 AP loses its wager at hand 10 and the 2-4-6 AP at hand 13.

Hand 14 does complete the set with the 5-6-7 AP and of course the reset of the next 9 hands.

Hand 17 loses the 1-2-3.
Hand 20 wins with the 2-4-6 AP.   Reset the nine.

Hand 24 wins the 2-3-4 AP and a reset.

Hand 28 loses the 2-3-4 wager.
Hand 31 can end the set with either the 1-4-7 on Banker or the 3-5-7 on Player so it is a No Bet Draw AND a reset of the next nine.

Hand 35 wins the 2-3-4 AP and of course the next nine reset.

Hand 38 loses the 1-2-3 AP.
Hand 40 loses the 4-5-6 AP.
Hand 42 wins the 5-6-7 AP and of course a reset.

Hand 45 loses the 1-2-3 AP.
Hand 47 loses the 3-4-5 AP.
Hand 50 is a No Bet Draw due to the 2-5-8 and 4-6-8 both available to win.

No bets on the final two hands while waiting for the next AP to develop.

Hope this explains the play.

AD

Quote from: Albalaha on June 03, 2016, 03:26:42 AM
Horror Session: 7th..   W=45, L=60

OK.  What would you like done with this session?

AD

Quote from: Nickmsi on June 02, 2016, 07:12:13 PM
Hi Plop . .

I ran your numbers through my bot for roulette (1=B, 0=R) and got a -4 result.

Hope this is what you wanted.

Nick

I ran it tonight manually and and finished at -1 flat betting.

Evidently we're not all on the same page with real time play on this yet.

AD (live from the boat while offshore tonight)

Quote from: plolp on June 02, 2016, 06:54:21 PM
@ Big Ez
Can you show how you doing with that?

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Thanks

How did it comes out when you ran it?

I'll run your session tonight when I get back from tonight's short casino run after my match.

AD

For those of you who are working with this method I would REALLY recommend that you take the time to run these test manually so that you can see just how the numbers flow to make the sets complete.

Waiting on Nickmsi to run his bots is great for the overall picture but it doesn't help YOU, the player, to see what is happening in front of you.

For those who have taken the time to work this out hand by hand, you will no doubt see where the problem comes in eventually and it's an 'oldie but goodie" to boot!

It is not insurmountable but it does rear its ugly head from time to time.

If you flat bet this, you should be OK and you'll be even better if you can increase the session/set wager once you run into the "-4" set.

AD

 

There is a shoe posted today by Alrelax in a thread titled "Sections".

As he was kind enough to post it so I just had to run the VDW on it.

It finished at +16 for that shoe.

Copy and play it yourself to see how it comes out for you.

I did run into three sets where the "No Bet" came up, but none back to back so it wasn't a problem.

This shoe also demonstrated how the long runs help out when doing a back up after the 1-2-3 and 1-3-5 win.

AD

Have just finished the first 1000 hands dealt for this VDW play.

166 wins.  121 losses.

Playing out to the full nine hands rarely happens and generally will finish with a "No Bet" due to either side being able to complete the set correctly.

Playing out to 7 or 8 also produces a "Net No Bet" for the mathematical win, but a set loss.

Once I arrive at a "No Bet" situation where either side can complete the set but neither side is selected, that ends the set for a restart at 1 and you take the 3 losses.

Also, winning on a 123 or 234 allows you to merely reset the string at "1-2" or "3-4" to be able to win ALL hands in any string larger than two and not just every third hand.

Longest losing streak so far has been 5 and that was due to TWO "No Bet" sets ( at 7-8 or 9) in a row, which has happened only once.

Testing continues in "real time" online now.

AD

Quote from: Garfield on May 31, 2016, 08:57:03 AM
Okay. First some live report.

p B p BB pp B p will give 3 L(5,6,8) and 1 W (9).

Actually I believe that gives you a win at 2-5-8 and then you reset.

AD

Quote from: tdx on May 31, 2016, 09:32:26 PM
Might be better playing baccarat instead of roulette.   

I agree and that is also what I've been testing with.

AD

Quote from: from100 on May 31, 2016, 01:13:08 PM
Thanks Nick!

I tried VdW manual and it does not place bet on 9th spin at all...

And RNG also not placing bets in some obvious situations eg. RRBRBBBR, it should bet on B in 9th spin for 3-6-9 and BRBR i should bet for 1-3-5?

There is no ninth spin.

You won the set at 5-6-7

At least the way I see it.

AD

Quote from: Nickmsi on May 31, 2016, 04:06:01 AM
Adulay , If I understand you correctly, we can only use an AP one time. Once it is used, there will never be another opportunity for it to be completed again. 

Cheers
Nick

Nick,

  Thanks for the confirmation.

  I've been a bit taken with this mathematical plan and have already put it up against two of my "worst" testing sheets.

  It did quite well and I was kind of surprised.   

  Now that I've worked with this a bit, it is becoming a bit easier and faster to play.

  Right now the only real "problem" area is when the last wager of the series can safely go on either side to win.   I've been declaring that a draw and just restart a new sequence.

  Thanks for taking the time to write this up and explain it.  I even read the theorem!

  AD

NIck,

  As an example, if the "1-2-3" AP loses, can it be used again in the same block of nine?

  For some reason I'm thinking not, but wanted to make sure one way or the other.

  AD

"Helen",

  Have you decided on just what casino game (or Forex) that you're going to play?

  AD