Quote from: Albalaha on May 09, 2013, 05:24:15 PM
Ad,
      You have no right to say so. It is my challenge. You claimed to win this but shying away to show how. Further, I have never claimed to have beaten this particular challenge.

Al,

  Once again you have misread and misinterpreted what I have written.

  If you will read my message, it said "You have claimed to have beaten roulette".  Period.  Stop.

  Not only did you make this claim, you used it as your signature in forums for quite some time.

  I did NOT say you had beathen this stupid challenge thing.   

  Unfortunately for all of the unwashed masses on these boards, you somehow managed to avoid telling anyone just how you managed to "defeat the game of roulette", so pretty much all of your statements then become suspect.

  On the second point, how many times do I have to tell you, in writing, how to beat your silly challenge?

  Play it like a tournament.   DUH!

  And to finish this off, at least for me, I will now apologize to Al for teasing him and picking on him, using his own statements.  It was too easy and not really fair for me to do that.

  I've seen this type of behavior in a few other forums and did not like the tone that it set, so I will publicly admit that I was trying to play with Albalaha and will cease this form of torment.

  I am sorry to have used you as the punching bag in the roulette forums.

  Good luck and continue on with your quest to beat roulette by stalking the forums.

  AD

Quote from: Albalaha on May 09, 2013, 06:55:05 AM

You claim to be a dispersion killer and running away to see the dispersion. If you have any real approach that can work in such bets, write that clearly, otherwise try your luck somewhere else.

Al,

"You claim to be a roulette winner and have "beaten the game".  If you have any real approach that can work in such bets, write that clearly, otherwise try your luck somewhere else."

This would be known as "turnabout is fair play".

AD

Quote from: Albalaha on May 08, 2013, 05:24:58 PMnot prove anything serious.
           Ggasoft, Adulay and Flat_ino, if you feel you can play and beat this, prove your methods upon the entire data. If the method is really workable, that will win another number having similar traits too. If someone reverse engineers this data to get a fake win, he will be exposed very easily.
          A method that wins good performing number and that can handle the worst too, is truly difficult. I have yet to see any in any of the forums.

Al,

  (sigh...)

  I've asked you several times for whatever the next worst number is to VALIDATE my previous solution to your silly challenge.

  As you've already "defeated" roulette (by your own words) I'll just assume you're tossing this innane challenge out just for grins and giggles.

  So, I've showed a profit on your challenge.   I'm still waiting for whatever the next losing number is to see if MY solution is valid.  Get your act together and post up the next number that desperately needs to be beaten down in the Great Albalaha's Roulette Challenge (and goat rope) of 2013.

  I'd hate to put out something that you didn't approve of.

  Oh yeah, the local indian (Native American) casino just paid for ANOTHER new Glock 21 for me.   But alas, it was baccarat and not roulette that did all the "work".

  AD   

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
Captain,
        You have only told the results without telling anything about the methodology.

I not only told you the results, I told you exactly how I arrived at it.   Re-read my original post on your board.

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
Those results may be imaginary because you claim to beat it with flat betting, which is quite indigestible . . . .

It may be imaginary to YOU due to your incorrect deduction based on an improper logical fallacy.  You just can't believe it was flat betting, eh?

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
If you have really beaten this (even with slightest profit) with a sensible approach which someone will use on a straight up bet, why are you shying away to show that to all?

Why am I "shying" away?   Why, to get you all excited because at least two people have already solved your innane "test" and it's bugging you that you can't see it!

PLAY IT LIKE A TOURNAMENT using your previously posted rules.

Quote from: Albalaha on May 05, 2013, 06:34:28 PM
So far, nobody has done anything to go near beating this data.

Say what?  At least two people have "solved" this incredible time waster as we type.   

Feels funny to be on the other side, doesn't it!!

Anyway, what you fail to see is that your "challenge" is totally unrealistic.   Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is about to chase a single number and being told in ADVANCE that this will be the worst possible number in 15,000 spins makes it so far off base that a I'm amazed anyone events thinks about trying this.   It's pointless and fits into no reasonable gambling scenario, especially given the original parameters of the "challenge".

So, I'll try to exit this discussion gracefully with the following recommendation. . . .

Play it like a tournament and beat the silly "challenge".

AD (too much fun but done with it for now)

Quote from: Albalaha on May 04, 2013, 04:17:04 AM
  Whoever claims to beat it, be it Adulay, Flat_ino or Greatgrampa need to illustrate their idea working on this data openly here. Otherwise, the claim to beat it with all these abovesaid methods, can be safely considered as imaginary if not false.

Al,

  I do believe I explained it on your own forum.

  The actual solution came from my craps playing brother, the born loser.  Once he explained it to me, it made perfect sense.

  Using your rules as posted, the solution was to play those 15,000 finite numbers like a tournament.

  I've already given you the results (posted) in another thread.

  What more would you like for this unrealistic challenge that seems to be your current focus?

  AD

Are you able to wager on these games "straight up" or are there any points or goals that need to be accounted for?

AD

Quote from: GreatGrampa on May 03, 2013, 04:54:37 PM
For 15,000 spins that you have shown here, max bank roll required was 36 units for me. There were 14 betting opportunities. 10 of them won and 4 of them lost. Final unit count was +5 units.

Finally, what's the point. it's a total time waste, as you will never find the holy grail. There is a reason why it is called a holy grail.

Very cool!  Now at least two of us have "solved" this excercise in futility.

AD

Quote from: Superman on April 27, 2013, 06:32:38 PM

The way I have my bits setup is like this, for any customer I send a setup tool which just spins the game reading an AREA for the last spun result, it spins and spins UNTIL it has either 36 on NO ZERO or 37 numbers on european roulette, when it has seen all of the numbers it asks the user to assign a number to each snapshot it took, this all gets written to an ini file like this

3655294628=6
1100174932=4
4284120404=13
474124401=35
3019337551=17
3067779567=20
1365523777=27

The long numbers are the actual checksum of the rectanglular area the number is printed in, the =17 is that that checksum value is number 17 so when the bot plays it gets a checksum of THAT area and checks the ini file for what that checksum actually is number wise.

that's the basic function for the bot itself, I also have what I call a whatbet file, this file can be changed to any method/system we can come upw ith so that's the onyl file I ever need to change for a new bot, in total I have 4 files MAIN, GETNUMBER, BETLOCATIONS and WHATBET all caled via #include BETLOCATIONS holds all the x,y coordinates of each bet location for the table in question, as I said before, the main file does all the main bits n bobs, it finds/locates the game window, gets its sizes/coordiantes on the screen and sets it active before the bot actually does anything.

Hope that helps

Aha.  That makes sense.  Giving a checksum to a previously detailed number or "symbol" seems correct.

So, not only can a "number", as it were, be determined by pattern and therefore pretty much anything on the screen can be identified, assuming its position on the screen remains constant.

My thanks to all who answered this query.

AD

All,

   I have a question that may have consequences down the road, assuming the stars align and all that.

  The question is:  What are the primary duties of a bot with regards to your roulette programming?

  Are you placing individual numbers?  Reading numbers?  Reading results?  Reading a screen position?  Multiple positions?

  Approximately how many "spots" or "areas" do you have to monitor to get the data you need to perform any calculations and place a wager?   That last question is probably the main one I have at this time.

  I currently have no need for a "bot" and don't forsee one in the future but knowledge is golden so I'm asking in preparation for an idea session that's coming up.

  If there is a link to a "bot" wiki or something, I'd like to take a look.

  AD

Quote from: wannawin on April 25, 2013, 11:20:03 PM
This is pure drivel right?

As pure as the new driven snow.   The number of players at the console does not change the odds at the wheel.

Anytime a player is losing, they WILL come up with all kinds of apparently "valid" reasons for the losses.

Multiple players at an automated wheel is not one of them.

AD

That second photo in the first message looks exactly like our consoles at the indian casinos.

AD

Quote from: RouletteKEY on April 24, 2013, 01:41:30 AM
I haven't played EC's for a long time...Can they be profitable?  Probably but if I were just playing those odds I think I would favor baccarat and get away from those green numbers

Hey!  Another guy "gets it" !!

If you're going to play EC, go with baccarat for sure.

AD

The Indian nation casinos will do pretty much anything to keep gambling out of Florida.   Well, gambling that's NOT on their land.   This includes slot machines which pretty much every old lady in Florida throws money in every week.

There are literally hundreds of those small "internet cafe" type of casinos all over every metropolitan area.  They find a niche in a neighborhood and become reasonably solid citizens after a few weeks, assuming they don't go out of business in that time.  The ones that do stick around really do a good job of providing amusement and profit to a lot of people.

There was one of these types of "charity" bingo/casino places that evidently gave $3,000,000 to some veterans charity that they were working with but kept something like $300,000,000 for themselves.

Well, that didn't sit right with the law and  instead of shutting them down, they closed EVERY SINGLE slot casino place in the state!!!   I'm not talking 50 or 60 places, I'm talking about THOUSANDS of them, all of whom were hiring people, feeding people, entertaining people and giving to various charities.

It's all stopped for now.

Except the Indian casinos which just march right on with their state sponsored monopoly of gaming.

I've watched the Indian casinos whine and complain and gripe, until the right palms got greased and the state got their cut, and then they got a sweetheart deal/monopoly throughout the state.

Anytime ANY gambling legislation comes up, the Indian nation will always be the ones backing the side that says gambling hurts the economy, gambling is bad, gambling is not what your community needs.

Well, DUH, of course they say that.  If we had any real casinos, everybody would dump the Indian ones in a heartbeat!

Such is the world of money and politics I guess.  Way above my pay grade.

AD

Yep, the law IS too vague.

The fact that the powerful Indian casino lobby had a LOT to do with getting all the internet casinos shut down immediately instead of the two bad apples, speaks volumes about how corrupt the entire partnership of the indian casinos and government really are.

I personally know a lot of people who are now out of the only steady job they really had.

Lots of good people got killed in this sweeping legislative nightmare.

AD

Just thinking out loud here after reading the original message but has anyone noticed a complete lack of new members showing up?

It's not just here, but in most of the niche forums, I'm not seeing anybody new logging in and posting.

Perhaps the masses just gravitate to the "mega-sites" and are content to be there instead of a more specialized forum, such as this one.   If you go to the mega-sites, they may have roulette and baccarat sections, but are generally underused and receive very few posts.

Being a roulette specific forum does have its good points as long as all areas of the game are covered AND you can get the participation of all users.   Some specialize in numbers.  Others play the felt.  AirBall, RNG and system testing are all legitimate areas of discussion to somebody!

AD