Will you guys please quit horsing around.

This is serious stuff!

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Quote from: Ralph on February 16, 2013, 06:31:55 AM

The result will differ every time we play, if it is fun or real does not matter.

Actually, it does matter, depending on where you might be playing.
I'll just assume that this test is not going on with a real table but an RNG game.
Manipulation of the data is certainly possible in that case.
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Quote from: albalaha on February 06, 2013, 02:30:25 AM
Anybody with any suggestions?

What will the person with the "correct" answer get for all this work?

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Quote from: albalaha on January 13, 2013, 09:20:04 AM
John,
          You claim to win 925 sessions, without a loss, with this. It is indigestible in itself and an exaggeration.

This coming from the guy who publicly states in his signature "I have beaten the game of roulette".

Interesting.

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Quote from: topcat888 on January 08, 2013, 06:45:44 AM

Having said all that, here's Table 2 throwing out four 4's in a row...

Mercy!  If that had been an "air ball" machine, the resulting screaming about "rigged" wheels and electronic countermeasures would be filling up the forum by now.

Stuff happens.  Deal with it, eh?

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Quote from: VLS on January 06, 2013, 02:45:43 PM
Hmm, we'll need to run a poll to know if others are experiencing a similar behavior with the two images.

It is interesting indeed. If it's our (server) side it sure will help to debug this.

Can we assume that the images are being uploaded as attachments rather than being "linked" to an off site graphics account?

This is a linked image posted full size.  No attachment icon using this method.

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Quote from: albalaha on January 03, 2013, 04:37:37 AM
        Ad,
                Challenges are meant for takers. If you do not have courage to take one, just watch it. Do not spoil any topic like this.

Fair enough. 

I will remove myself from "The Challenge" as most realistic people have already done.

Carry on.

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Quote from: albalaha on January 02, 2013, 05:23:29 AM
AD,
           With due respect, I ask you to stop speaking like this.

Speaking like what?   Asking straight forward questions to silly challenges?

Quote from: albalaha on January 02, 2013, 05:23:29 AMWhat kind of challenge do you face and win?

Another "challenge" type question, eh?   I face the same challenge as anyone else at the casino.  Play to bring a profit out at the end of the accounting period.  That could be a session, a day, a week, a month.   Wins and losses are much larger than spin to spin or hand to hand.

Quote from: albalaha on January 02, 2013, 05:23:29 AM
Ok do one thing, beat zumma 1600, in whatever manner you can and show all. Is it OK?

Again?   Why would I want to do that again?   Many people have "beaten" both houses of Zumma and once posting the results, are usually discounted for a variety of reasons by people who can't figure it out on their own.   Besides that, "beating" Zumma is merely a good way to see if your BASIC plan of attack is a valid one.

Hmm, perhaps I should make a run through the Zumma stuff again, if not only to see if my current methods and style still hold up against "The Book" as well as in REAL LIFE.   Thanks for the idea.

So, would there still be a point to posting it here?  (It's a rhetorical question, of course.)

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Quote from: albalaha on January 01, 2013, 04:34:00 AM
Ad,
         In that way, even it is "futile" to have debates here since nobody has a proven method that can keep on earning. If you are gambling with a belief that you will either get a good session or average ones, of whatever u bet, you are merely living off a fallacy and feeding casinos.

Al,

   My "fallacy" has performed nicely for the last 3 1/2 years.   I can't complain, but then I am not a static player.  I have changed methods when I see something that I believe is a better play for me, after extensive testing and paper play, of course.  On several occasions, I have moved back to a tried and true performer when  I felt the need to do so.

   Nothing in roulette looks better to me at this time than my normal play at baccarat.

   As to your "challenge", there is no equivalent wagering problem than can be made in baccarat.   That "3 out of 300" or whatever it is, just does not exist so there's no reason to work on it!

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Quote from: albalaha on January 01, 2013, 03:13:38 AM
Everyone surrendered at my open challenge proving my point.

No, I'd say that everyone realized an exercise in futility when they see one with that "challenge" and have just allowed it to die a natural death.

I still think you need to present it in a more defined way to make it an acceptable "challenge".   As it stands, it's not worth the effort to pursue.  In fact, it appears to be rather pointless.

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Quote from: Tarantino on November 10, 2012, 09:39:42 AM
I play 25...50...100... To win 25 units each time.
So up to now i have won 725 units.

No, you're up 29 units, not 725. 

The term "unit" is used to define your basic minimum wager.    As yours appears to be 25, that would be "one unit".   Each time you win, you'll win "one unit", not 25.

Of course +29 is still  a great performance!

Did that make sense?

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Quote from: Bally6354 on December 20, 2012, 01:02:10 PM
Hello guys

I have added Stetson's book to my dropbox account just in case any of you are wondering what the fuss is about.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf?m

Ignore the Craps title. This can be applied to most things! 

Thank you.

It was an interesting read once we got past all the "general gambling" stuff.

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Quote from: wannawin on December 17, 2012, 12:45:38 AM
Another good idea may be stock market investment. It can also be Forex.

Please do not incur in HYIP.

Hmm, stock market "advice" on a gambling forum.  Probably not the best choice to follow.  Toss in some Forex "trading" and you're really headed off into left field somewhere.

Here's a quick note for future reference, and I'm talking decades down the line. . . . . .

If you want to "play the market", do it with somebody who really knows his business.  You don't want your local banker who attended some three day "school" to learn how to buy and sell mutual funds or basic options trading.   Interview true professionals just like you would interview for any other position that's going to affect your life down the road.  If you don't feel good about this person, interview some more until you DO find one that you will feel comfortable about having all your money at risk in a volitile market.  Having a TD/Ameritrade account with a bunch of FaceBook stock in it is NOT investing!

Fact. . . .   EVERYBODY is an expert in "the market" when the market is good.   When it all falls apart is where the guy you have working your money/investments earns his keep.  That's what they get paid for.   It's your money.  Make sure it stays your money and is not churned away via Forex and other money pits.

So, HYIP?   There's about ten thousand "expert" HYIP web sites out there.  One of the members in this forum runs a small, but informative one, and I do believe you'll find that it requires and inordinate amount of work (and trust) to make this work for the short run.   Better one should stick to roulette!

So, that's my own, personal, take on it.  There is money to be made in the stock market, but most people go about it all wrong and think of it as some kind of short term casino sanctioned by the government.    Not right.  It's bigger than most people will ever understand and for a variety of reasons, not made for any normal human to understand, especially if they do other things besides monitor numbers and markets all day long.

For this forum, I'd stick to basic gambling for now.  The traditional and non-traditional games, most sports wagering, games of skill to play for money (backgammon, dominoes, etc) and things like that.  I'm sure the ideas that get posted will eventually work their way into the daily routine and that can only be a good deal for the forum membership as a whole.

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Quote from: spike on December 14, 2012, 11:46:54 PM
Its not cheating anymore than a slot machine cheats.

Uh, apples and oranges.  Slot machines are strictly electronic displays that "do something" to amuse the player.  AirBall is a real wheel, real rotation, hard physical components and electronics to replace the croupier and dispense with the tedius (and unsanitary) methods of payments.

Quote from: spike on December 14, 2012, 11:46:54 PM
Having it run on an algorhythm is not cheating, its
perfectly legal. Its just not the same a a random wheel.

It's not running on an algorithm.  It's most probably running at randomly selected wheel speeds and ball speeds.  You wouldn't want it to run the same wheel and ball speed with each spin, would you?

Quote from: spike on December 14, 2012, 11:46:54 PM
Call the manufacturer (like I have) and they won't talk
to you because you aren't their customer, the casino
is. They'll refer you to the casino, which knows nothing.

Yep, call the manufacturer and ask them for the details of their copyrighted (and secure) product.  How about calling Raytheon and asking them about how their counter-mortar radar works in a secured environment.   Duh.

Quote from: spike on December 14, 2012, 11:46:54 PM
But it doesn't matter. If you don't have a winning system,
play the thing, you won't be able to tell the difference.
It will gladly take your money just as fast as a real wheel
does.

If it takes my money "just as fast" as a real wheel, then I'd say it's a real wheel!

Look, I'm not going to argue with you on this.  You're set in your ways so I'll let you rant on about how rigged everything is in the casino.   Me?   I'll just take the money and continue to be cheated every day.  The losers on the baccrarat forums have basically the same mantra of "being cheated" by somebody, especially when they lose.   

This is not rocket science.  Play the game, take your money and deal with the losses when they show up.

If you don't like AirBall, don't play it.
If you don't like RNG, don't play it. (I don't)
If you don't like orange felt tables, don't play on them.

See?  It's very simple.

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We've recently gotten the Interblock Organic "AirBall" roulette machines installed in the local Indian casinos.

They appear to be exactly like the ones I've played in Deadwood, SD although newer, of course.

So far I've just dabbled on it as I don't play roulette as the serious casino play so I was only running a basic opposites play on the EC of the moment.  Picked up a few dollars while testing but the machines seem to run just fine.

I would tend to think the casino management has no real reason to "program" the wheel to cheat as legitimate roulette wheels have been beating the players for a few hundred years now.

People who claim the "airball" machines cheat have usually lost on them, so those comments are generally tainted.

While I was there for a short time, I did see a guy parlay a nice $25 wager into $400 and walk away with it.  I don't believe you'll convince him that the machine is cheating. 

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