Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on February 03, 2014, 07:18:30 AM
Not only would I beat this challenge, but I would beat it first go.

The question is, why would I (or anyone else) disclose an extremely valuable method that is the result of literally thousands upon thousands of hours of hard work and research for a $30k pittance and a pat on the back?

Not even for a million dollars, mate.

30 thousand? What is that, 3 or 4 months wages? What a joke!

Show me $5 million to my $5000 and I might take notice.

             Now, this is the exact reason no one would like to put his real winning system (call it HG or whatever) here and if such systems can not be sold for even $30k, who would put it for free here for thousands of members and guests to see?

This is a very clever way to either earn money without risk or get a pure grail for the price of $30k only. Give me a key of unlimited treasure and I will pay you $30k for that. Those who can not simulate their so-called grails in enough random sessions will fall trap of such challenges.

Bayes,
      #3 challenge was to beat a bet that is having negative variance, bad hit rate, a little cluster of wins and a standard deviation of more than -3 throughout 15000 spins of American roulette.
           Many funny approaches were told and tried upon this challenge. Nothing except reverse engineering ideas (knowing how and variance will attack beforehand gives ample opportunity to prove anything without having any depth in it). A famous system author, when asked said that he will play a number when it did not hit 250 spins (seeing the worst run of 276 times, no hit) and thereby beat this challenge. This way, anything can be beaten but it doesn't prove as a way to play generally.
               If we are playing say an EC and we know that there are no 10 Ls in a row, even a kid would advise playing martingale. If it has successive losses, followed by successive wins, anyone can name Oscar's Grind as a panacea. Similarly, every progression widely known to masses, will work great in one particular situation but not in another.
               #3 challenge was never meant to provide a plug seeing the hole's size but a money management (with or without other kind of safety measures) that can sustain along bad stretches without hits and lesser number of hits than the mathematical expectancy of that bet.
            Pockets claimed his way is not reverse engineering upon #3 W/L but it beats all numbers alike. He even wrote a way to do that and later suggested some tweaks on it too. If a single approach really does this, it is not lesser than any holy grail. If his method and claim are true, it should benefit all and albalaha is not going to carry the method in his pockets to earn from it.
                     If you see #29 of zumma, it wins entire 15000 spins even flat bet. Should and can one advise playing flat bet, seeing that, on all numbers?
             

My HG is a secret formula under a closet of my brain. Pocket's is with everyone, in open. If his claim is correct, none should look at any other way of playing and if his is wrong, it will only strengthen me to never share any winning method because none bothered to do, even one, so far.
              He created this topic all of a sudden when I decided to not to talk anymore on any forum. My challenge was open for all for more than a year but none could do that. Isn't it a bit strange?

First, pockets claimed:
So let me explain how to beat it without reverse engineering. And yes, method is playable on hot and cold numbers. This will give an output of 22636units at the end of 15000 spins for the number 3 which is the worst.
Then,he made some "variations" and said:Albalaha's posted numbers end with profit of over 4000u in 15000spins with this variation of playing. At any point in time the draw down from peak did not exceed 3600u. So a bank roll of 5000 should be absolutely fine.                     Time to verify his claims. Stef should come up with testing with Pockets "variations" any time soon.

Pockets,
       Why don't u put your calculations right here, for everyone to see and understand clearly? Let everyone see whether the winnings come at which cost and a single MM being followed in all bets or not. Your rules as you wrote are not very clear to me and many more.

Pockets,
              I am not against you. If it beats all numbers, it will be worth considering for everybody. You know that number 3 has -3 SD and there are a few numbers with positive SD too. All going good with one single technique means the technique is good enough. Take your time. Your method can be converted into a tracker and a bot too, if it is as good as you say. Without testing all sort of numbers with it, your claim of beating all with it or my claim of calling it a "pre-sized plug" both are prejudiced.
             I could have tested it myself but I could hardly understand what are you trying to do.

Quote from: esoito on January 30, 2014, 10:01:46 AM
"So far, about a dozen topics were raised over me and my grail but nobody bothered to test this open claim, including the claimant himself."

Nothing stopping you from testing it, and publishing the results here.

I told you it is suitable "plug" meant for a particular hole only. Pockets PMd me that he will do it shortly but he got silent after knowing its reality. Betting 1 to 96 units and earning only 4000 units can always ruin the bankroll.

4 days back, Pockets took entire zumma w/l from me, claiming to beat each and every number of it, with his concept which he revealed here. I think he has realized that his so-called "system" which according to me was a "suitable plug" made for #3 only, is not working on other numbers. So far, about a dozen topics were raised over me and my grail but nobody bothered to test this open claim, including the claimant himself.

The so-called hottest number may turn the coldest any moment you try to extract from it and vice versa.

This was never meant for Sale. Ophis initially thought of putting it on rent but finally he is using it for himself.


Nobody will put a money minting machine on rent. At times, as clarified, it takes a few thousands spins before starting to bet. At times, it may keep betting for hours.

and u r the most obedient servant of Steve the ex-jailbird. I do not see any debate of yours here  than this. Get  your biscuits. shooooooooo

Quote from: iggiv on January 28, 2014, 08:40:42 PM
You Mods here are really tolerant to troublemakers. I am not one to judge u. I can just tell u that this guy hides his butt there in  rouetteforum.cc and does not dare to say anything of a kind. He knows the consequences. But here he feels he can say anything he wants.

and this SOB is here to bark upon me upon his master's command. <Removed: undeserved comment>. Go back to  your master iggi..........shoooooooooo

So long, you keep barking upon me, I will keep kicking you and your master along.


Bark more.............


Captain,
           I won't regret leaving this place forever but I can't allow dogs barking at the behest of others. If you can't chain them, I won't let them bite me.


            Iggiv,
                      Victor is not selling cheating devices or "genuinefailure".

and I can imagine that Steve will double your salary and give incentive for your nice performance here. By the way, how much is your payroll with Steve?


Ad,
       You should better advise these igniters to behave and maintain dignity. If they are free to bark upon me, I can't be barred to retaliate.