Quote from: Sputnik on January 23, 2014, 06:27:20 PM

What do you mean by money management ? for some it means different progressions and for others it means how you handle your money with win targets and loss limits.

All of the above.

It is a money management that can fight with worst probabilities till they get a little smooth. It is basically meant for dozen/column but can be applied on any bet of roulette.

Love me or hate me but you can not forget me.
Well, you can talk over how to play marty or its variations in different names like Pattern Breaker and all that.
       Talk about how patterns help you. Hit and run.
               Many things as to how to keep losing more than win.

                          Long live fallacies and fallacies mongers.

Anyone can frame a method if he can see the wins/losses beforehand. GGP did exactly that. His method is not playable in general conditions. Try to play his way in normal sessions, you will know it yourself.
            Since I do not want to have any debate anymore, I am locking this topic. If any moderator/admin has trouble with any of my posts/topics he can delete that and even my membership.

http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400613/No-system-for-Sale-anymore#.UteSbNIW1A4

I am hereby officially declaring that I have won this challenge myself within a limited betting range 1-30 chips and limited bankroll of 5k chips. The winnings are more than 1k units. Same approach that beats #3 can beat the second worst number, third worst, average hitting numbers, good hitting numbers and the best hitting numbers alike.
           It is a pity that nobody could do this in more than a year. This was not just an open challenge to all of you but me too.
               I hereby officially declare beating this challenge within a reasonable setup and without any reverse engineering that too with an approach that will earn even better in good hit rate (not a system meant to work in bad cases only).
               The approach that beats zumma #3 or say any number can beat any bet of roulette having as much variance in long run as #3 had, be it european wheel or american wheel.


       Since I have nothing left to debate or discuss after this I am getting off all public and private gambling related forums forever. http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/19400612/Holy-Grail-short-playable-session-concluding-research-deb#.Utdk-9IW1A4


             I hereby also declare that I have beaten this game in short playable sessions (not in 15k spins) too and profit that I will get is lucrative and not just 1 unit somehow.
                  I can win Steve Hermouzes and wizardofodds.com and imspirit.wordpress.com roulette challenges but why should I bother for them as it will expose my methods to masses and I doubt they will pay me what they say.
            By saying all this I do not want to ridicule or tease you but say that if you want to have same success as I got, only work on a sound money management which can let you sustain and survive till virtual stretch of variance and gets net win even when it is hitting below break even. The number 3 challenge was exactly meant for this.
You may not hear from me in public forums after this.
Good luck to all

It would be nice to see this group performing because the earlier group "Speramus" was playing a proven failure marty system of JL called "Pattern breaker".  If it is not a "push till you win progression" stuff, the winnings shown by weddings are incredible and praiseworthy.
            I would like to know a bit about his MM. Is it flat bet, positive progression or negative progression?

@ Weddings
The best way of doing such thing is to publish your own winnings for a week, prior to asking anyone to "invest" with you in this topic itself. There will be a big queue of investors who would be willing to take a "plunge" in your winning streak believing it a long time winner.
                           Gambling is all about taking risk so as Esoito said and I believe, Even if you are the best roulette player ever, stake as much on table as you can afford to lose.

Quote from: RouletteKEY on January 09, 2014, 07:11:29 PM
I guess you can just mark me down as being really lucky for a long long time then...

          I am not saying it is not winnable but in finding an "edge" you may end up your age and find yourself at the same place where you started doing that. Better focus on an MM that can let u survive in the worst phases and extract best in a little favorable ones.

To me...it would seem we can certainly derive an "edge" or "advantage" from those parameters even with a 00 wheel


Unfortunately, testings and simulations disprove this belief of yours. You may win or you may lose in any session but there is no edge.

Quote from: Pockets on January 09, 2014, 04:45:11 PM
Then how come you have a claim to have beaten roulette if the above statement is true.

Because I only work upon blunting the edge of extreme variance and way to sustain and win if I get lesser wins than the mathematical expectancy, even in long run. You can see that all my challenges move around that harshest reality but none preferred to even talk seriously over that. They believe that they are lucky enough to get the number of wins or streaks required to get a net profit.
          Unfortunately, no ready to use money management solves this so most of people play by relying their luck would never set encounters with "sessions from hell".

On the basis that the Player plays a simple 'neutral' method, experimental evidence indicates that in over 50% of the time, perhaps often much more, the Player will be in profit ( by luck/ skill/ serendipity/blunder) and as the Player is now a smart and shrewd Player, the profit will be banked, and the Player will happily leave the Casino.

Buddy,
       I do not know the source of this information of yours. You play 1 spin or 1000, u always have more opportunities to lose, in long run. If you compare chance to win +1 or chance to lose -1 whichever comes first, you will find later much more time. If you cater to some kind of progression, you guarantee this.

I had very exciting and memorable experience of playing roulette first time in a real casino. Before that I was playing and studying roulette online only. When I got enough confidence, I asked a few friends of mine to accompany me for a casino trip.
           We had a common bankroll and responsibility to earn was on my shoulders. When I entered a casino and sat there to play with real chips ( I bought 200 chips,to start with)I was literally blank as to what to do now. I was the alone player and croupier won't spin ball unless I put my bets. I reluctantly put 5 chips on 5 inside numbers, it lost. Second trial, same thing. In my third attempt, it was a win. I was pretty excited to see croupier pushing my winnings towards me. It was all luck as I randomly selected a neighbour to bet and it struck in third attempt. I played like that for half an hour and I had a nice winning streak and doubled my starting bankroll with bigger value cash chips as well. The guys accompanying me started thinking it as easy money and started betting dozens etc with bigger chips and started losing whatever I won. I got irritated by seeing this and frowned upon them to either let me play for all or play yourself with your own money.
        to be continued....

Dear XXVV,
                  Whatever we play (be it marty or flat bet, EC or straight up) can not ensure that we will get at +1 before -1(or even worse is more likely) in most cycles/sessions. Actually, the whole fight is to get the +1 and nothing ensures this. How will you exit without that and how will you ensure getting at +1 in more sessions than -1 or worse?

An "edge" like house edge in roulette just increases the probability to win or in simple way creates a slight "tilt" in the favor of casino. Random entry or exit just can not ensure that you will enter or exit at correct times always. It will still have same probability as if you keep playing, so in my opinion, this way a player has no positive edge.