Bally,
        Reverse Labouchere is the concept given by "Norman Leigh" and I uploaded his famous novel, "Thirteen against the bank" in rf.cc way back. It is one of my favorite books on gambling. Reverse Labouchere needs more than 66% hits on  your chosen EC to be successful while it is tough to even get 50%, in practical situations, unless either you are super lucky or a clairvoyant.

Reverse Labouchere is a super bad idea for playing in long or bad run. It requires hypothetical extremely good condition while we get the opposite mostly.

I wonder but I always read someone suggesting playing martingale on a sleeper EC based on its probability to win.

Maximum gamblers are moving around the fallacy and Hit and Run is also a kind of fallacy. A belief that by entering at random times, they are safer.
                If we see the stricter definition of fallacy, gambling is all about having fallacies of one kind or another.

Quote from: ignatus on January 14, 2013, 12:57:25 PM
These are my second results:



1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


0 Steps (Repeats)


Result: 34/185 = 18%


Wheel Dozen Repeats




1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2

Result: 56/185 = 30%



1 Step


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


Result: 43/185 = 23%


2 Steps


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2

Result: 62/185 = 33,5 %



3 Steps


1: 3,4,4,4,3,0,0,3,2,5,6,0,4,4,0,4,0,2,6,5,2,0,5,6,5,4,0,6,4,6,5,6,5
2: 5,4,0,3,6,4,4,1,6,5,0,4,6,3,5,4,4,5,3,1,4,1,6,6,6,4
3: 6,6,1,5,5,2,1,0,0,2,5,1,3,6,4,0,5,1,1,2,0,4,4
4: 6,2,2,6,0,0,0,0,0,6,2,5,1,5,0,2,0,1,1,3,6,1,1,2,3,3,5,6,2,0,6,1,3,5,1,0,5
5: 2,3,2,1,0,3,2,3,2,2,1,0,2,1,0,6,0,2,6,6,1,2,6,1,0,6
6: 5,2,5,3,0,0,4,0,1,3,2,0,1,2,6,0,5,4,1,1,1,1,5,0,4,4,0,1,5,3,3,4,3,4,2,2


Result: 35/185 = 19%




End Result is exact as the first test! The 2-Step movement is most common (33.5% hitrate) closed followed on second place Wheel Dozen Repeat 30%.

What does all this mean? How much did u win or lose playing  your way?

Ignatus,
The topic is looking interesting to me but I have yet to get what u r playing actually. Wouldn't it be nice if u illustrate my given sample session. I gave you in pictorial as well as text form but nothing has been done yet. Please try to do that. I may help you with tweaking it.

Those who are too much obsessed with probability or mathematics starts playing a sleeper EC after certain losses and end up one's bankroll with martingale.

QuoteFinal Bank = -5105 unitsTotal wins = 7237 unitsLosses due to zero = 322Losses other than zero = 3686Progression loss due to zero = 3Progression loss due to D2 or D3 = 48

               So this is going to move earth upside down by July 2013?  Bravo JL, you are truly a legend. That is why I had to write that "isn't every forum is merely bunch of frustrated gamblers?"

If u can end up at 8000+ you should not be scared of -4000.

Quote from: Bally6354 on January 18, 2013, 09:44:59 PM
Sam

I am just trying to get my head around a few things and would appreciate any input!

Here is the thing.....

Singles are twice as likely as doubles and doubles are twice as likely as triples etc...

That to me also means that we can go in reverse. A second loss is half as likely as an isolated loss and so on....


This is where my negative expectation question comes into things.

The NE supposedly stays the same on every round. HOWEVER my chances of winning are increasing if a second loss is half as likely as the first loss and so on.

Maybe I am completely confusing myself 

Chance to get same EC in next bet and to change with opposite is equal. So, RB is as likely to appear as RR is or BB is. Gambling on roulette or any similar gambling runs on the principal of chaos or randomness and not strictly on probability. Probability theories hold good in long run only. For instance, chance to get 7 reds in a row is very remote in a 185 spins session but you may get that not just once but many times in 185 spins. However, if you see the same thing with its mathematical probability in say 1 million spins, it would be very close to  that.

It is really amazing. I appreciate this.

I do not have anything personal against you or anybody else TCS. I just do not want a topic got spoiled by chit chats that are not relevant. It doesn't matter whether u r putting irrelevant stuff or Stef or even Vic.
              Once you read it, I will delete all these.

I have deleted  your two last posts TCS and few others earlier too. Don't make a topic, a chatroom. Vic, I am trying mozilla, now trying chrome, my mobile not working, blah blah. what is all that? Ask anything relating to topics and if u wish to talk others, PM him.
                                         Ask the harshest question relating to the bot, you will be answered. No off topic talks, in my topics.

JL,
    The time that u need to make a bet in real casino we can make 50 bets in playtech. Come up with anything even remotely capable of doing like this and then compare.

If nothing can win in long run, are we here to just tell stories? This is a technique of proportional risk and we are not risking 1000s to win 1 unit. If somebody has anything even remotely equal to this, please come forward and enlighten all. Many are saying it is not earning enough to be played. I ask one serious question, if we play 7 on 1 with 1 cent bets on bv, it will take more than a month to earn Euro 1. If someone is dreaming to win millions of spins with 100 units in pocket, go and daydream about that.