Quotethis is easy beaten by 10 steps marty

Hmm. Marty can beat anything with no limits. 10 step marty will bust in the 10th successive loss and we know we can even get a 25 step loss. No point in playing such rotten ideas. I told my bankroll is only 300 units and I have faced world's worst known cases so far.

QuoteSo I don't see the point

I do not see any point in any other discussion where everybody is churning failed ideas. Even after decades of being on gambling forums, people still come up with 10 step martingale. How silly is that? Just think that I am making a repository of worst looking sessions of all sorts.

Hmm. Rather 600 units to start with. We never know if a supertricky session may come in the beginning before it doubles.

Just tested this dreaded session of EC and finally won a net profit. It has 141 Losses vs 94 wins i.e. -2.65 SD
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Yes!!!
        I am onto something that could be termed as a Holy Grail for casino gambling for games like roulette, baccarat or any other game with fixed odds and payouts and slight house edge. I started to test it with the worst reported cases of EC in roulette and baccarat. Then I created a few hypothetical cases with 2SD, 3SD, 4SD and 5SD or even worse going below mean, for as long as 1700 continuous trials. I have beaten all, so far. I won't say that there will be no session where I would need to surrender but even the worst would not take away more than 300 chips, in total.
          In manual testings, it took hours and even days of mine to compute a tough session but now I have a fully coded tracker(Still working to better it a bit, if possible), so I can evaluate any session in a few seconds.
  Remember: It doesn't win the worst session while it is still worst but in long run when things go closer to mean by a predefined approach that I can play in all over betting and can swiftly win any average or below average session.
             I have reasons to believe that I finally have something that beats the randomness delivering extreme variance alongwith the house edge. Please provide me any EC w/l string from real sessions that should make me surrender with -300 finally.

53 losses vs 37 wins: (how does such sessions go with your MM)?
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Playing both sides(RED/BLACK) is like playing chess from both sides. No outcome can be ensured that way, unless both are played separately from each other. In that case, when one side might be winning, other will be losing. Again do not find any advantage.

These Pseudo mathematicians know that you can not win in casino due to the house edge. To make some analogies to the real world, the math boys argument is like saying that you cannot be profitable in business because you have to pay taxes or like a 105 Kg boxer has to lose to a 110 Kg one. Mathematics and Physics both will support the boxer with 110 Kg weight but we know that skill matters a lot more than those 5 Kg advantage. How about 10 kids of 10 years fighting against a pro boxer of 75 Kg? Both scenario are different but a mathematician may conclude those 10 kids winning against the pro boxer cumulatively.

Quote from: 6th-sense on April 03, 2020, 10:08:06 AM
Would the Paroli method be combined with the modified Labby?

By Paroli, do you mean reverse martingale of may be 3 steps?
We need negative progression while Paroli is positive one and it requires successive wins to get a net profit. I do not see it working well with labouchere of any sort. Can you put any example as to how you propose to use it?

I elaborated my techniques time and again:

1. play a progression that can get u a win in lesser wins than average
2. have mini stop losses points (I use 5 more losses than wins as a mini stop loss). Do not push bet to get back mini stop losses, it
    should come gradually. Do remember that even 10 mini losses could come one after another.
3. Have an absolute stop loss point: 4x to 8x of mini stop loss, as per  your comfort
4. Do not push to win absolute loss and take that as losses accepted or surrender point.
5. When things look to cool down after long haul variance, you may push your base bet upward.
6. RTM will be guiding principle. Nothing could be more unwise than pushing bet in worst times.
7. Remember that law of long run will kick in and things will gradually get smoother but they might not compensate for earlier superbad
    losses..
            With these guiding principals, you may form your own strategies. I have played with as many as 3 ways to beat the superbad session, ever without getting too deep in losses.

Yes,
     Swiftly. Even a data double bad than this could be sustained with minimal loss and a recovery is easy thereafter.

QuoteYou don't need bad data for an EC because you can be 100 percents for sure that in every long term game with every system you will meet such sequence -
WLLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLWLLLLLLLW         If you can survive this without big drawdown you have a grail. I have no grail but if i met 10 times such a sequence, for a 5 times i can survive easily...5 times not...

Real data gives confidence that I am not subtly fixing it to win somehow. The worst 800 that I created had superbad stretches but even if it goes 2x worse i,e. either it gets only 30 wins in 200(9.5 SD below mean) hands or 120 wins till 400 trials(7.4 SD below the mean), which is so remote that we may take it next to impossible, it still can be won, in the long run. Remember, do not try to beat the worst itself but only sustain that with bearable loss and win thereafter as you can not beat the worst possible itself with any money management in the world otherwise it won't be gambling, at all. I know my findings could excite many and many may take it as outrageous claim or even lie but it is doable. What is you loss in the worst case, decides whether you can recoup it or not.

QuoteSir,
Why not you test the yet to broken world bm record of worst 69/200, that I believe will rtm after 800spins.

Do you have the real data after 69/200 too for at least 400 more spins? If yes, send me up. I have already tested the worst from zumma books of baccarat that I could spot so far. All got beaten without ever going below -250 or worse.

Every EC bet will get same streaks good and bet. Do not waste your time on finding the best betselection. Rather learn to beat it, even if it goes the worst momentarily.

I have been hearing that mathematics tells us that casino games with house edge/negative expectations are unbeatable. I asked many that which book of mathematics says so, none answered so far. I am not any scholar of mathematics but Math was a subject of mine till 12th class. I read algebra, geometry, trigonometry, calculus, probability, statistics and basic arithmetic but never heard of any such concept in text books, at least. Fortunately or unfortunately our schools do not teach us casino odds or gambling theories.
      Is the concept of games being unbeatable a theory or a law?
Wikipedia says that: Online slot games often have a published Return to Player (RTP) percentage that determines the theoretical house edge. Some software developers choose to publish the RTP of their slot games while others do not. Despite the set theoretical RTP, almost any outcome is possible in the short term.
It means one can win, even in slots.
Mathematically, only one thing is certain about the casino games(with house edge or negative expectations) that if you keep betting 1 unit consistently on any bet, you can not win, in the long run due to that. I admit and accept this as pure maths.
   Can anybody enlighten me with mathematical concepts that I am unaware of that confirms that a gambler has to lose in a casino game in the long run, whatever he choose to bet or howsoever he bets?

Hey Guys,
        After beating a virtually "worst possible session" for an EC bet that I created, I m up for real bad sessions. Can someone provide me with real bad data for an EC bet where super bad ratio persists for 100 or more continuous bets followed by average wins thereafter( no clumping or compensatory wins). Try to provide me with at least 500 hands, in succession after the worst one.
           I want to prove that even the worst patches could be recovered and finally won without betting or losing huge and nothing really is unbeatable in the random world. Hope to get such data soon. Thanks in anticipation.