Quote from: Blue_Angel on July 17, 2016, 03:04:39 PM
By the way, I've made a profit of 12 units from that fictitious session with max drawdown of 245 units and 64 units max bet.

3 hits for an EC  within 37 successive outcomes ONLY in Albahala's world!!

Oh really!!!
            I never met more ignorant gambler ever.

Quote from: ozon on July 17, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
If you play against RNG, even BV no zero you see this type of sessions, they are bordering on virtual limits, RNG play against you.

I totally beg to differ here, Ozon. Rather, betvoyager is the only casino that can guarantee no foul play and complete randomness.
If you do not trust me, you may trust Bayes on this. See reply number 6 here: http://forum.roulette30.com/index.php?topic=1045.0

You failed to win in the long run test as you based your strategy on false notions as blue angel did when he thought a 37 step delayed martingale can beat any session under the sun. He needed streak of wins after streak of losses which may not always come before it is too late. You did something similar and lost in randomly picked normal session.

QuoteBut you can tell when you are in the middle of a favorable randomness characteristic. If you can't do that, then you must be blind to the awareness of these favorable conditions. So what is it? Are you blind, having never looked at the current state of conditions, or are you never going to look at it unless there is something that must predict the future?

Hmm, so you can tell that you are in the middle of a favorable randomness characteristic? If I see WWWWW, I can't say whether I am in middle or end and if you can say so, you are a clairvoyant and nothing less. We can only do reverse engineering and think oh! this should have been handled in that manner after a session gets over. Randomness means unpredictibility and that remains absolute in short run. An estimation can be done only of numbers of wins and losses in enough long span. For example, one can say that getting only 50 wins in 200 spins of an EC is not possible or too remote to happen ever realistically.

QuoteBet big while in a favorable streak and bet small while in a not favorable streak.

There is no method to guess that it is going to be a streak. It can cut in any moment. We can't push enough to win every case.
For example, a single W may take upto 30 spins, a  WW may drag till 60 spins and so on.

Do we have some way to pre-guess the next outcome? We will always expect a little below equilibrium number of wins(due to the house edge) and play further accordingly.
          For example,
                 if I can pre guess that 18 successive wins will come now, I will play a reverse martingale and win all the chips of casino in a go. In a random game, a positive attitude player will never assume too rosy future outcomes but realistic and worst ones only.

To me,
              wins and losses are two sides of a coin and keep coming almost equally although with varying frequencies.
Point is, we can't guess which span will get which kind of frequency of wins or losses.  Therefore, a strategy is only sound enough keeping the absolute randomness and virtual limit in mind always.
     Even if you get 20 losses in a row or say 18 wins in a row, it is not end of a life. Think of long run where things are smoother and lesser unpredictable.

Quote from: Tomla on July 10, 2016, 10:26:48 PM
oh well albahala better luck next time

It happens. A single goal can change the fate of the game and two finalists can always beat each other. I did not put any 5 star lock or anything like that.

Tomorrow both teams will fight to lift the prestigious cup. With the defeat of many other aspirants like England, Wales and the world champion Germany and nice underdog Belgium, which one should do the best?

France seem to do its best in form. It has home advantage as well with huge fan following.
Portugal is an underdog but who knows when a goal from Ronaldo will turn things upside down.

What is your prediction?

I can go for France as outright winner as a statistically favorable bet.

Hi,
       Gambling and specially positive gambling is not meant for poor people. Two three guys approached me for buying the module and when heard the price, they pissed and wet their pants. Methods and systems that one wants for free or for $19.95 can be found on forums and on amazon. Do not contact me if you have money for only your grocery or Gasolene or utility bills. Positive Gambling is meant for those who can do it as a serious side business investing ample time, research and money. If someone wants to have fun with gambling, play with fun money or "Test" methods on excels and get the satisfaction of "oh nothing seems to work, I saved my money by not playing. Thanks God."
             The price of say Euro 1000 may look very huge to anyone but it is so to avoid cheap people like Jake who wants to get it for free so that he can sell it to others(he promised to not to do so). He offered coding to me as Bayes did while I did beat over 10 million spins. Do not forget I  have all the biggest coders ready to help me from the forum world including VLS(the admin himself) and Nickmsi. Try your luck somewhere else kids.
            There was although an interesting question from one such kids, "if my method works, why I am selling that"? My answer is, why did Thorp sell his innovation of "card counting" in a  book knowing well it works and works for sure? Answer is real simple: to earn name, fame and much more money than one player can earn himself. Besides, I would be glad to help those who lose $1000 or more in a single visit to casino. To make them realize why are they losing and how they can sustain and survive through the worst stages and try to get a net win, while coming out of casinos most days, if not everyday.

It is a gift without any commitment or harm. I am totally against deposit bonuses as most of them are meant to plunder your own seed money but no deposit bonus is only harmless fun and I personally have beaten dozens of such bonuses.
           Since it is for all existing and new players whether he ever deposited or not, it is not bad to try your luck while getting a feel of casino. One can play any game one wishes. In a mail, I asked betvoyager to consider having one such offer and they accepted it gladly and hence this exclusive bonus. I thought I will be thanked for this.

Those who are aware of the Betvoyager Casino know very well that they do not normally offer any no deposit bonus. I, however, pursued them to give one after a long time not just to new players but to all existing players as well.
  Those already having accounts with betvoyager just need to login to their accounts. Go to "Profile", select "My Promos" and input "10nodep"in "Promo Codes" and press "Activate". Boom......
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  You will get Euro 10 as no deposit bonus. It has 40x rollover. You can see your progress on this bonus in My Promos. The bonus will be alive only for 24 hours since you activate it so make sure to activate it when you have enough time to play.Those who do not have any existing account with betvoyager may join by clicking this exclusive link: Betvoyager Casino
Click "Sign Up" and after filling personal details, in promo code, write "10nodep".
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They will get the same bonus.
             Remember, this is an exclusive bonus not even published on their own website, so far. It may last for a few days only so grab it before it goes.
   I would love to see how far one goes with it. To the best of my knowledge, betvoyager accepts accounts from all over the world without any country restriction, so everybody can have this opportunity to try their luck and systems without any risk whatsoever. You either win or do not lose. The best thing is, with 1 cent bets one has 1000 units to try. There is no limit of how much you can win with it. Once you do the wagering required the amount of bonus will be deducted and all winnings are yours to withdraw or play further.
Best of luck.

Best of luck.

Betjack,
          You are going wrong way. You can win well till lose huge, as happen to other progressions. See the topic, :"anybody think such...".

Blueangel created a similar approach as yours and it failed in simulations very badly. Your way, it may need to bet a million without winning.

In long run, it is only to fail. Your problem is, you can't simulate to assure urself that it will not work.

@Betjack,
        Your method is very similar to blue angel's stepped martingale. It will have the same fate in long run simulation. Never try that at casinos. A free advice.

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Quote from: zuffle on June 23, 2016, 08:09:34 AM
Zero roulette still only pays 35:1, when it should be 36:1 so there is still a house edge.

ARE YOU COMING OUT OF AN ASYLUM? I am talking of no zero roulette here. When there is only 36 numbers total(due to no zero) how can payout be 1:36? Then everybody will cover all 36 numbers and earn 1 unit in every spin. 1:35 is the fair payout if you understand the basic maths. Else go to a primary school.

I am here talking of "No zero roulette" as offered by   betvoyager.com or similar casinos where there is no zero in the wheel and hence the odds and payouts are perfect. It becomes a zero house edge game too, by default.
Earlier I saw no zero roulette in some other casinos like betfair too but now betvoyager claims to be only casino offering the same.

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                                          Further, having no zero has special benefits to EC betting. Although, there is a catch. They charge 10% of the total winnings that you got when you close a session. So, if you lose something, you give to casino money and here even at a net win, casino will earn a bit from you. They will automatically deduct the sum of 10% of the net profit of the last concluded session. If a session doesn't conclude in 24 hrs betvoyager will take it concluded and if there is a net profit, 10% will be deducted therefrom.
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          Only difference between bet spread of standard European roulette vs no house edge no zero roulette is the minimum bet of 1 cent vs 5 cents. A bet range of 5 cents to Euro 2000 is huge enough.

Now, a million dollar question is whether it is any beneficial than usual European roulette or french roulette(betvoyager doesn't offer French roulette so far with la partage rule)? It is also noteworthy that earlier rule for deduction of 10% from net winning was very different. Earlier, if you have played no zero roulette or other no house edge games, they used to count your profit from that and if you play other games too and remain at net profit still, they used to deduct the 10% of net winnings from the no house edge games at the time of withdrawal. Now they don't bother to wait for that. The moment you come out a winner, you get charged and money gets deducted automatically from your balance. Let's investigate the true impact of the said no house edge games and no zero roulette in particular.   
   
To understand the real house edge of the casino, in such games, lets consider a hypothetical situation.
Let's consider the same game in a real casino with similar rules. Two brothers "A" and "B" come to play having common funds which they share half each. A always bets Red while B always bets Black. They always bet $10 on their respective bets.
  After 100 spins, A wins on red 54 times and happy with $40 net profit. While B has won only 46 times and at a loss of $40. So far, things look perfect.

   Now, casino personnel charge $4 from A for winning a net profit of $40, so his net win reduces to $36 only. Together, they are at a net loss of $4 ($40 loss- $36 win). So, the house edge is still there. In European roulette, theoretically, in $1000 bets made, one should lose $27.40. In no  zero roulette, it varies differently in different situations.  After the collective bets made of $2000(each A and B made bets of $1000 ), they lost $4 to the house only. In the discussed case, house edge came to be 0.20% but it may vary from situation to situation.
        It is pertinent to understand the real meaning of no house edge and no zero and its real overall effect taking into account the 10% fees charged on the net wins, when one wins.

           Say, I play EC bets only betting Euro 100 averagely per spin. Single zero European roulette is supposed to take away Euro 2.70 per spin as house edge and in 100 spins we are supposed to be down by Euro 270 while in no zero roulette, we are not going to lose even a cent this way. Say, we remain at break even after 100 spins and then win 3 units in next 100 spins, i.e. winning Euro 300. We close the session and betvoyager charges Euro 30 only. Where is the harm? Since we play in the expectation of being a net winner, no house edge in the form of no zero roulette, is indeed a boon. It is like tipping the croupier at the end of a very successful session.

  I read a very ridiculous topic by Steve H, admin of various roulette forums: http://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/betvoyager-no-zero-roulette-is-worse-than-single-zero-roulette-it's-a-scam/msg44333/#msg44333 . He was, however, answered very well by many members on his misconceptions.

             Further, no zero means absence of the green goblin zero giving the biggest relief to EC bettors. Getting equilibrium is at least theoretically and mathematically possible in the long run that wasn't so with standard European and American roulette.
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To conclude, I would love to see the same no zero roulette with real land based casinos(I believe it is doable easily on automated roulette) and online live dealer casinos too. Not doable on a manual dealer in a land based casino though.

If betvoyager has patented this, they should come up themselves with live dealer roulette with no zero roulette and same set of rules.