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#151
Hi Sputnik,
Can you show a small actual roulette session where you use this methodology? Just enough so as to follow it using the selection of 5 to see it in real-play mode?
Thanks,
A.
#152
Hi GreatGrampa,

Well I think it might do better using as a 5/5 Angle... ie restrict bets to 5 and use Chinga's progression...

I reduce Chinga's formula for bettting at 0.10 units as follows to play on live low limit autowheel:

Level 1: 40p-60p-80p-£1-£1.20-£1.40.    Lose up by 20p; win down by 10p
Level 2: 80p-£1.20-£1.60-£2-£2.40-£2.80.     Lose up by 40p; win down by 20p
Level 3: £1.20-£1.80-£2.40-£3-£3.60-£4.20.     Lose up by 60p; win down by 30p
(On 2 consecutive wins back to start of level)

TOTAL BANK = £32.30

But then again you don't need to stick strictly to the levels as I show...
Here is example spins:

[reveal]
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40               -0.40
B - L0.60               -1.00
R - W0.80              -0.20
B - W0.70              +0.50
R - W0.40              +0.90

R
B
B
B
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.40            +1.30
R - W0.30            +1.60
R - L0.40              +1.20
B - W0.60            +1.80
R - W0.50            +2.30
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
B - L0.40             +1.90
R - W0.60            +2.50
B - W0.50            +3.00
B - L0.40             +2.60
R - W0.60            +3.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
B
B
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R
B
R
R
B
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R
B
R
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B
R
B
B
B
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R
B
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B
B
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R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L0.40             +2.80
B - W0.60            +3.40
R - L-50               +2.90
R - W+70             +3.60
R - W+60             +4.20
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40              +4.60
R - W0.30              +4.90
R - W0.40              +5.30
R - W0.30              +5.60
B - L0.40               +5.20
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite of last
B - W0.40              +5.60
B - L0.30               +5.30
B - L0.50               +4.80
B - L0.70               +4.10
R - W+0.90            +5.00  start at 80p next time
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
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B
B
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B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.80               +5.80   (restart at 40p)
R - L-0.40                +5.40         
B - W0.60                +6.00
R - W0.50                +6.50
B - W0.40                +6.90
R
B
   - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W0.40                +7.30
R - W0.30                +7.60
R - W0.40                +8.00
R - W0.30                +8.30
R - W0.40                +8.70
    - 5 reds so play opposite last
R - L0.40                 +8.30
R - L0.60                 +7.70
B - W0.80                +8.50
B - L0.70                 +7.80
B - L0.90                 +6.90   (restart at 1.20)
R
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
B - L1.20                +5.70
B - W1.40               +7.10
R - L1.30                +5.80   
B - L1.50                +4.30
B - W1.70               +6            next bet = 1.60
R
R
B
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W1.60                +7.60
R - W1.50                +9.10
B - W0.40                +9.50
B - L0.30                  +9.20
B - L0.40                  +8.80             next bet 0.60
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W0.60                +9.40
R - L0.50                  +8.90
R - L0.70                  +8.20
R - L0.90                  +7.30
B - W1.10                +8.40           next bet =1.00
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00                +9.40
B - W0.90                +10.30
R - L0.40                  +9.90
B - L0.60                  +9.30
R - L0.80                  +8.50            next bet =1.00
R
R
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W1.00               +9.50
R - L0.90                 +8.60
B - L1.10                 +7.50
B - W1.20                +8.70
B - W1.10                +9.80            next  bet =1.00
R
R
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
B
R
B
R
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
B - 5 blacks so play opposite last
R - W1.00              +10.80
R - L0.40               +10.40
R - L0.60               +9.80
B - W0.80             +10.60
R - W0.70             +11.30
R
B
R
B
R
B - 5 chops so play same as last
B - W0.40              +11.70
B - W0.30              +12.00
R - L0.40               +11.60
B - L0.60               +11.00
R - L0.80               +10.20          next bet = 1.00
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
R - 5 chops so play same as last
R - W1.00              +11.20
R - W0.90              +12.10
R - W0.40              +12.50
B - L0.30               +12.20
R - L0.50               +11.70         next bet =70p
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
B
B
B
R
R
B
B
R
B
B
B
B
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R
B
R
B
B
B
B
R
R
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B
R
R
B
B
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R
R
R
B
B
B
B
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B
B
R
B
B
B
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
B
B
B
R
R
R
R
R - 5 reds so play opposite last
B - W0.70                    +12.40
R - W0.60                    +13.00                 
R - L0.40                     +12.60
B - W0.60                    +13.20
R - W0.50                    +13.70
R
B
R
B
B
R
R
R
[/reveal]

Will require more testing of course!   :)   :)

Atlantis.
#153
Totally Agree, Bing.
I thought the progression sounded familiar - but is not a bad idea with the tweaks you suggested.
As a matter of fact, I've checked out a few of Martin Silverthorne's books just lately: Checkmate, Knockout, CCBT, Jagger roulette - and they are good reads and all about trend catching using either FTL, DBL, opp of DBL and so on in various configurations. Yes, you can win but as always when the dreaded LLR arrives you can wipe out lots of gains...
Like you say its 50-50 - but if you can judge the streaks of series and chops right then....?

I had an idea about that some time ago which might be worth another look to go with that progression:
http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=9456.msg78957#msg78957

A.
#154
Hi Chrisbis,
It's interesting debate and idea. I modified the progression to work for low value bets on live low limit autowheel over 3 levels and reached a target of £2 easily enough in a few spins without going above Level 1 at any time. Even with the 2 backup levels the whole bankroll can be under £35. (GBP)
Providing the wins keep coming could be profitable as he says...
A.
#155
Street / Re: Quad Cycle
June 16, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
Hi Turner,

Thanks for posting this. I will try it.

I have an idea for you - may not amount to much though. what U think??

Quote
EX.6
1-9          11
10-18     1
19-27    111
28-36    1*

Could do a sort of mini-parachute type bet on the qualifier: (19-27) in this case

BET1)
=====

Bet 3u on the EC covering the quad (3 streets). In this case will be HIGH

IF WIN then....
a) If win but didn't hit 19-27 (number spuns was 28-36) then bank= +3 rebet Bet 1 @ 2units
b)  If win but didn't hit 19-27 (number spuns was 28-36) then bank= +5 rebet Bet 1 @1u
c)  If win but didn't hit 19-27 (number spuns was 28-36) then bank= +6  goto bet 1

ELSE
a)  If win and number hit was 19-27 then end game at +3
b) If win and number hit was 19-27 then end game at +5
c) If win and number hit was 19-27 then end game +6

IF LOST at any time on EC and numbers still unhit - then move forward to bet 2)

BET2)
====
Bet 1u on each of the 2 LINES that encompass the quad (3 streets). In this case will be Lines 4 and 5: 19-24 and 25-30.

IF WIN but didn't hit quad streets then REPEAT UNTIL LOSS
If WIN but hit the target quad streets then END GAME  (min profit will be +1)

IF LOSE goto BET3)

BET3)
=====
You now continue play as you advised starting with 1-1-1 on the 3 qualifying streets.

A.
#156
Street / Re: 3 Streets Roulette System
June 15, 2013, 02:32:41 PM
R u playing STREETS or DOUBLESTREETS here?
A.
#157
Double-street / Re: One step to the right or left
June 15, 2013, 10:14:13 AM
Hi Dane,
Just checking. What happens if you got 1-6 then 25-27 street?
No bet - Right??
A.
#158
Hi Chrisbis,
Applause for your latest shot at the puzzle. Very interesting.
Maybe Grampa can reveal to us the correct procedure now?
A.
#159
Hi Rouletta,

Example of DBL:

Next to Last spin is #35
Last spin is #6

Decision Before Last (DBL) is therefore #35 (number previous to last current result) which equates to DOZEN 3 and COLUMN 2 (or "B") in the context of this system.

A.
#160
Here is my best guess on the second set of numbers gramps posted and eliminates the anomaly in my previous attempt.

FTL on doz and col until complete loss (l;l) on FTL.
Then play previous winning combo for max three attempts - if no win then SWITCH to play the DBL col and doz combo.

If win  - reset to FTL and appropriate progression level.


Spin           Bet placed     
11                            0          nb;nb    bet d1; c2     @1 ftl
1              2              1           w;l       bet d1; c1      @1 ftl
8              2              2           w;l       bet d1; c2      @1 ftl
11              2              6         w;w      bet d1;c2      @1 ftl
6              2              7           w;l       bet d1;c3      @1 ftl
31              2              5          l;l        bet  d1;c3   LOST both playing FTL so up to 2u and play last winner combo
23              4              1          l;l        bet  d1;c3   LOST so play last winner combo @3
22              6              -5         l;l        bet  d1;c3   LOST so play last winner combo  @4
5              8              -13         l;l        bet  d2;c1   LOST 3 L'S IN ROW ON LAST WINNING COMBO SO NOW SWITCH TO DBL @ 5u
13              10              7        w;w     bet  d2;c1   @1  ftl
18              2              8          w;l       bet  d2;c3    @1  ftl
15              2              12        w;w     bet d2;c3    @1  ftl
21              2              16        w;w     bet d2;c3     @1  ftl
34              2              14        l;l         bet d2;c3    LOST  play last winner combo @2
23              4              16        w;l       bet d2;c2    @1  ftl
2               2               17        l;w       bet d1;c2    @1 ftl
33              2              15        l;l         bet d1;c2    LOST so play last winner combo @2
35              4              17        l;w       bet d3;c2    @1  ftl
31              2              18        w;l       bet d3;c1    @1  ftl
35              2              19        w;l       bet d3;c2    @1  ftl
12              2              17        l;l         bet d3;c2    LOST so 2 play last winner combo @2
35              4              25        w;w     bet d3;c2    @1  ftl
23              2              26        l;w       bet d2;c2    @1  ftl
19              2              27        w;l       bet d2;c1    @1  ftl
25              2              28        l;w       bet d3;c1    @1  ftl
32              2              29       w;l        bet d3;c2     @1  ftl
31              2              30        w;l       bet d3;c1     @1  ftl
2               2                28       l;l         bet d3;c1    LOST so play last winner combo @2
4              4               30         l;w       bet d1;c1     @1  ftl
34              2              31        l;w       bet d3;c1     @1  ftl
13              2              32        l;w       bet d2;c1     @1  ftl
19              2              36       w;w      bet d2;c2      @1 ftl
3              2                34        l;l         bet d2;c1     LOST so play last winner combo @2
13              4              42       w;w      bet d2;c1      @1  ftl
10              2              43       l;w        bet d1;c1     @1  ftl
32              2              41       l;l          bet d1;c1     LOST so play last winner combo @2
4              4               49        w;w      bet d1;c1      @1  ftl
23              2              47       l;l          bet d1;c1     LOST so play last winner combo  @2
16              4              49       l;w        bet d2;c1     @1  ftl
19              2              53      w;w       bet d2;c1     @1  ftl


Atlantis.
#161
Agreed. I do not think I completely solved it! And does not work entirely well on the first set of numbers Grampa posted either...
Hmmm... so there is something else missing.
Will try again, Grampa.
A.
#162
Hi All,

I have the solution to grampa's 50 spins below:

Spin           Bet placed     
11                            0          nb;nb     bet d1; c2  (ftl)
1              2              1           w;l        bet d1; c1  (w so ftl)
8              2              2           w;l       bet d1; c2  (w so ftl)
11              2              6         w;w      bet d1;c2   (w so ftl)     
6              2              7           w;l        bet d1;c3   (w so ftl)
31              2              5          l;l        bet  d1;c3   (l so dbl)    @ 2u
23              4              1          l;l        bet  d3;c1   (l so dbl)    @ 3u 
22              6              -5         l;w      bet  d2;c1   (l so dbl)    @ 4u *** maybe  error in recording here, Gramps!***
5              8              -13         l;l        bet  d2,c1   (l so dbl)    @ 5u
13              10              7        w;w     bet  d2;c1  (w so ftl)    @ 1u
18              2              8          w;l      bet  d2;c3   (w so ftl)
15              2              12        w;w     bet d2; c3   (w so ftl)
21              2              16        w;w     bet d2;c3    (w so ftl)
34              2              14        l;w       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl)
23              4              16        w;w     bet d3;c1   (w so ftl)
2              2              17          l;w       bet d1;c2    (w so ftl)
33              2              15        l;l         bet d1;c2    (l so dbl)  @ 2u
35              4              17        l;w       bet d3;c2     (w so ftl)  @ 1u
31              2              18        w;l       bet d3;c1     (w so ftl)   
35              2              19        w;l       bet d3;c2    (w so ftl)
12              2              17        l;l         bet d3;c2    (l so dbl)  @ 2u
35              4              25        w;w     bet d3;c2    (w so ftl)   @ 1u
23              2              26        l;w       bet d2;c2    (w so ftl)
19              2              27        w;l       bet d2;c1    (w so ftl)
25              2              28        l;w       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl)
32              2              29       w;l        bet d3;c2    (w so ftl)
31              2              30        w;l       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl) 
2               2                28       l;l         bet d3;c1    (l so dbl)  @ 2u   
4              4               30         l;w       bet d1;c1    (w so ftl)   @ 1u
34              2              31        l;w       bet d3;c1    (w so ftl)
13              2              32        l;w       bet d2;c1    (w so ftl)
19              2              36       w;w      bet d2;c2    (w so ftl)
3              2                34        l;l        bet d2;c1     (l so dbl)  @ 2u
13              4              42       w;w     bet d2;c1     (w so ftl)   @ 1u
10              2              43       l;w        bet d1;c1    (w so ftl)
32              2              41       l;l         bet d1;c1     (l so dbl)   @ 2u
4              4               49        w;w     bet d1;c1     (w so ftl)    @ 1u
23              2              47       l;l         bet d1;c1     (l so dbl)   @ 2u
16              4              49       l;w       bet d2;c1      (w so ftl)   @ 1u
19              2              53      w;w      bet d2;c1     (w so ftl)

Thank you for an interesting puzzle. Can I claim part of the reward???  :) :)

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#163
Quote from: Chrisbis on May 19, 2013, 11:42:09 AM
@A

You could also play............

RRBBR                          EOEOE                       HLLHH ..................Now take the best average score of the 5 series results


Av=R                               E                                H


So, now play R, E, H for one spin..........(then take note of result as part of a 5 step progression maybe!)


If win ....reset any progression. Take and note next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.
If lose....take one step into a negative progression. Take next 5 spins (no bet), & begin again to get your average.


(Note, because your always looking to win 2 out of 3 (or better), progressions could be quite complex....I like complex!)  :drunk:

Hi Chrisbis,
Nice mod there!  :)  That is similar to the previous best of 3 dominants. Should work good. I agree with GreatGrampa and the others that it is the cycle progression which is key...
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#164
Even chance / Re: Triple shooter for even chances
May 19, 2013, 10:58:32 AM
Hi Grampa and others following this thread,

I'm trying/playing another alternative way...

Record the last five results into R/B,   E/O   and H/L

RRBBR                 EOEOE                  HLLHH

Now bet the 3 EC opposites of those 5 with the "cycle of 5 progression"

For example using those above 5 results: first bet will be BOL then BEH then ROH then REL and finally BOL.

RRBBR   EOEOE   HLLHH  =first track 5 results
RRRBR   EEOEE   HLHLL   =L-3; L-4, W-1, W+0, L-1               -1 so up to 2u and bet opposites again...
BRRRB   EOEOE   LHLHL   =W+1, W+3, W+5, W+11, L+9      +9 down to 1u and bet opposites again...

and so on.....

A.

PS.
A better way to record is simply like this:

REH    ROL    BEL   BOH    REH
REH    REL    ROH   BEL     REL
#165
Gambling Philosophy / Re: Dispersion kILLINg
May 14, 2013, 09:22:05 AM
Greetings GGasoft,
I would also like to learn the "Siege".

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