Hi JohnLegend,
Thanks for your very encouraging report update about your discoveries with the 5-L trigger... It also confirms what I am finding out myself the more I test that way...
That means adding your games to mine we have 99 games without defeat and highest step 5. Not bad at all!!

I am prepared to use an 8 step progression after the 5 L's: 1,1,1,2,3,5,7,11 (31u) - but of course am hoping that will not be reached or even be necessary. Finding the optimum type of progression will be of key importance...

A win on my third step simply returns +0 (level)  so my  five step prog is 1-1-1-2-3 (only 8 units risk) but of course I know your profits would have been higher over the 75 games that you playtested with your preferred progression 1-1-2-3-5 (12u)

Let's hope this thing pans out to even more success. I'm warily optimistic, JL. 

A.

Today's test of CODE 4 HORIZONTAL (with trigger 5-L's)

3 b 1 c   L L
1 a 1 b   W L
1 a 2 b   L L
1 c 3 a   L L         trigger
2 c 3 c   L1 W2     +1
1 a 2 a   L W
1 a 2 a   L W
3 b 2 a   L L
2 c 1 b   L L         trigger
1 a 2 a   L W2      +3
3 a 2 a   L W
2 b 2 b   W W
2 a 1 b   L L
3 c 3 c   W W
2 a 3 a   L W
2 a 3 b   L L
1 c 2 b   L L
3 a 3 a   W W
2 a 2 b   W L
1 a 1 b   W L
2 c 2 b   W L
3 c 3 c   W W
2 a 1 c   L L
1 a 3 c   L L
1 a 3 b   L L1       trigger
1 c 2 b   L1 L1
3 a 3 a   W4 W     +4
1 b 3 a   L L
1 b 1 c   W L
1 c 1 c   W W
1 a 1 b   W L
3 a 3 b   W L
3 b 2 b   L W
2 c 1 a   L L
2 c 3 c   L W
2 c 3 a   L L
1 a 2 b   L L
3 c 2 a   L L1        trigger
3 c 2 b   L1 L1
2 b 2 b   W4 W       +5
1 a 1 a   W W
2 b 1 a   L L
2 b 1 c   L L
1 b 3 b   L W2      trigger +7
3 b 3 a   W L
3 c 3 b   W L
2 b 3 c   L L
3 b 1 b   L W
1 a 1 b   W L
1 c 3 b   L L
1 c 1 c   W W
1 a 1 a   W W
3 b 1 c   L L
3 a 2 a   L W
3 a 1 b   L L
1 a 1 b   W L
3 a 1 c   L L
1 a 3 a   L W
1 a 2 c   L L
3 c 2 b   L L
1 c 2 b   L L1          trigger
2 b 1 c   L1 L1
1 b 1 a   W4 L           +8
2 c 2 b   W L
3 a 3 a   W W
3 a 3 a   W W
3 a 3 c   W L
2 b 2 c   W L
3 a 3 b   W L
1 a 1 b   W L
2 c 3 c   L W
2 a 2 b   W L
1 c 2 a   L L
1 b 3 c   L L             trigger
2 a 1 a   L1 W2          +9
2 b 1 c   L L
3 b 2 b   L W
2 b 1 a   L L
2 c 3 b   L L
2 a 3 b   L L1           trigger
2 b 2 b   W2 W         +10
1 c 2 c   L W
1 b 3 a   L L
3 a 2 b   L L
1 c 2 a   L L1           trigger
3 a 3 a   W2 W          +11
1 b 1 a   W L
3 c 3 b   W L
1 c 1 a   W L
2 b 3 b   L W
3 b 2 a   L L
3 a 3 a   W W
2 b 3 b   L W
2 c 3 c   L W
3 c 1 b   L L
2 a 3 c   L L
1 c 2 c   L W2       trigger +13
2 a 2 b   W L
2 b 1 c   L L
2 a 3 a   L W

400 spins.   +13u profit

More profit could have been achieved using the reverse code 4 notation in tandem with standard code 4 matrix as in previous post...

So that's 24 games played so far with the 5-L mod.

24 won - 0 lost     Profit: +30u     Highest progression reached so far: Step 4

A.

Bally6354 wrote:

Quote
All gambling is not really as it appears. At least that's the way I look at it now.

Casinos and bookmakers are offering you a losing proposition if you follow the herd.

It really is a case of developing your own style and playing a different kind of game to everyone else if you want to come out on top.

Totally agree 100%.

A.

Hi John,
Great to hear that still going OK.

JL, here I show how you can get more triggers (although I am playing using 5-L trigger  and prog: 1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11 = 31u at risk)
You can do it by using code 4 notation AND ALSO reverse code 4 notation matrixes for each number spun to get more bet opportunities on the cols/doz

1C2B L L                                            B2C1  L L
1C2A  L L                                           B3B3  W W
1C1A  W L                                          C2BA  L L
1B1C  W L                                          B2C3  L L
1B3A  L L                                           C1A2  L L1  - TRIGGER
2A1A  L W                                          A1B2  L1 L1
1A1A  W W                                         C1C1  W4 W  -  +1  (4TH STEP)
3C1A  L L                                           B2B1  W L
2B2B  W W                                        C1C2  W L
1C2C  L W                                          B2C2  L W
2C3C  L W                                          B2B1  W L
1A1C  W L                                          C3C3  W W
2B3C  L L                                           B1C1  L W
2A1C  L L  - TRIGGER                          C3A1   L L
1C2C  L1 W2  - +1 (2ND STEP)            B2C2   L W
3A1C  L L                                           C1C1   W W
2B3C  L L                                           A1A3   W L
3C2B  L L1 - TRIGGER                         C1C1   W W
1A2A   L1 W2    +0 (3RD STEP)           B2B2   W W
2B2C  W L                                          B2B1    W L
2C1A  L L                                           A2C1    L L
3C1C  L W                                          C1B2    L L  - TRIGGER
2C2C  W W                                        A2A2    W2 W    +2  (1ST STEP)
3A2C  L L                                           A2C3    L L
3A2B  L L                                           C2B2    L W
1A3B  L L1 - TRIGGER                         B2A1    L L
3A1A  L1 W2    +0 (3RD STEP)            B2B2    W W
1C1C  W W                                        A3B1    L L
3A2A  L W                                          B3C2   L L
1A2B  L L                                           C3A2   L L1  - TRIGGER
2C2C  W W                                        B2B3   W2 L      +1  (2ND STEP)
3A1C  L L                                           A1C1    L W
1B3C  L L                                           B1A1   L W
2B2A  W L                                          C3B2   L L
3A1B  L L                                           A3B1    L L

140 spins. +5

A.

Hi,

Had time to do another test of 176 spins using the 5-LOSS TRIGGER
This time on dublinbet table 1 actuals:

Only 4 games qualified.

Profit +6

2 won on 1st bet
2 won on 2nd bet

I'm going to continue with the 5-L's TRIGGER testing even though JL is using a DOUBLE TRIGGER that seems working well.
Example of 5-LOSS TRIGGER

1C2B   L L
1C3B   L L
3B1C   L L1  -    Trigger and first bet (lost)
2A2A  W2 W       = +1  (2nd bet win)

Regards,
A.

OK I played a fast session on BVNoZero using the 5-L trigger.

172 spins.   Total profit = +6

Only 4 games qualified.
2 games won on 1st bet        +4
2 games won on 2nd bet       +2

There was a point in the session where I waited 104 spins before a 5L trigger event happened to signal the next (and last) game I played. At that stage I was +4 up. However on BV the whole session only lasted a perfectly acceptable 18mins.
So maybe it can work well on reliable r.n.g. using fastspin to speed up qualifiers...

A.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 19, 2012, 05:35:28 PM
RESULTS UPDATE FOR CODE 4 *HORIZONTAL*

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50

TOTAL GAMES WON 46

TOTAL GAMES LOST 4

STRIKERATE 11.5/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO.

BALANCE=59 UNITS PLUS.

Okay I am loving this method Atlantis, its EXCELLENT. But im staking differently to how you suggested. I wait for the DOUBLE TRIGGER. Then play up to 4 bets on the following two lines. Using the progression I used to use for THE ZONE.
1,1,2,3=7 UNITS RISK.

So for example

1A2B
1C3A----DOUBLE LOSS TRIGGER
3B1C LL
2A1A LW= PLUS 2 UNITS.

And I've only lost 4 games doing this H.A.R of course out of 50 played. I think You have something a bit special here Atlantis. Its early days yet. But it feels very natural and is looking strong. When you consider, it could profit with a strikerate of 5/1, Its got my attention. Next update at 100 games. 

Wow, JL - you've been busy! These truly are good results from H.A.R. and only using the DOUBLE TRIGGER too!
I've had little time to do much roulette today; except to chip in with my suggested 5LOSS TRIGGER as I honestly think it will be safer and reduce losses but it means more patience and waiting of course (like FIVE and 8on1)... I do like the 7 unit progression 1-1-2-3 you are using.

Quote from: dino246 on December 19, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
Nice work Atlantis....

I'm still back-testing an H+V version,which is turning out to be of a complex nature !!

This is all very enjoyable....thank you.

Dino.

Hi Dino. Yes it is interesting alright!
Here are your previous unfavourable results which resulted in -5 now played with the 5L's mod:

3C  2A  L L     
1A  1C  W L       
1A  3B  L L     
3B  2A  L  L       trigger
2C  3A  L1  L1       
3B  2C  L1 L2         
2A  2A   W2 W       -3
OC  1B
3A  2A   L W
2A  1B   L L       
3A  10    L L       
30  3C
3B  3A   W  L       
3C  2A   L L       
3A  1C   L L          trigger
3C  3C   W2 W        -1
1B  3B   L W
3B  2C   L L         
1A  2B   L L       
1B  1B   W W       
2A  2B   W L
2C  1C   L W
3C  1C   L W
1A  2A    L W
2C  3A   L L         
3C  1C   L W     
1A  2A    L W
2B  1A    L L         
3C  1A    L L     
2B  2C   W L         
1A  1A   W W
1A  1B  W L
2C  1A  L L           
3B  2C  L L           trigger 
3C  1A   L1 L1           
3A  2A    L1 W4       +0
1B  2C  L L           
3B  2C  L L         
0B  2B
1C  3A  L L1         trigger 
3A  3A   W2 W        +1
1C  2B  L L           
2C  3C  L W       
1A  2A   L W
1A  2A   L W
2B  1C   L L           
1B  2C   L L       
3A  3A    W W               
3C  1C   L W
1A  3C   L L           
3A  3C   W L         
3C  1B   L L           
3B  2A   L L           trigger
3B  2B   L1 W2        +2
3B  3B   W W
+2

There were 5 betting opportunities and the result was now  +2
but maybe could improve the progression to 8-step??
1-1-1-2-3-5-7-11 = 31u at risk
That would give a better +6 profit on the above session....  



3C  2A  L L     
1A  1C  W L       
1A  3B  L L     
3B  2A  L  L       trigger
2C  3A  L1  L1       
3B  2C  L1 L2         
2A  2A   W6 W       +1
OC  1B
3A  2A   L W
2A  1B   L L       
3A  10    L L       
30  3C
3B  3A   W2  L       
3C  2A   L L       
3A  1C   L L          trigger
3C  3C   W2 W        +3
1B  3B   L W
3B  2C   L L         
1A  2B   L L       
1B  1B   W W       
2A  2B   W L
2C  1C   L W
3C  1C   L W
1A  2A    L W
2C  3A   L L         
3C  1C   L W     
1A  2A    L W
2B  1A    L L         
3C  1A    L L     
2B  2C   W L         
1A  1A   W W
1A  1B  W L
2C  1A  L L           
3B  2C  L L           trigger 
3C  1A   L1 L1           
3A  2A    L1 W4       +4
1B  2C  L L           
3B  2C  L L         
0B  2B
1C  3A  L L1         trigger 
3A  3A   W2 W        +5
1C  2B  L L           
2C  3C  L W       
1A  2A   L W
1A  2A   L W
2B  1C   L L           
1B  2C   L L       
3A  3A    W W               
3C  1C   L W
1A  3C   L L           
3A  3C   W L         
3C  1B   L L           
3B  2A   L L           trigger
3B  2B   L1 W2        +6
3B  3B   W W

A.

Trying now betting only after FIVE consecutive L's.

This can occur with only 2 win/loss patterns. They are:

W L
L L
L L


L L
L L
L


I use same progression 1-1-1-2 then restart


1a3a
1c1a W L
2c1b L L
1c2a  L L         trigger     
3c1a  L1 L1         
3c1c  L1 W4       +1
3b2b  W L
1c3b  L L
2b1c  L L          trigger 
2c2b  W2 L         +3       
2c1c  L W
2c2c  W W
1c1b  W L
3a2b  L L
1c2b  L L           trigger   
1c1b  W2 L         +5     
3c2b  L L
2b3a  L L           trigger     
2b2b W2 W         +7       
2c2a  W L
1a3b  L L
1c1a  W L
3a1b  L L
1c2b  L L            trigger       
3a1a  L1 W2          +8         
1c2a  L L
1a3a  L W
1a1b  W L
3a1a  L W
2b1a  L L
1c1b W L
1c1a  W L
1c1b  W L
2b3b  L L
1a3b  L L             trigger           
3a2c  L1 L1           
2b2a  w2 L             +8


Hopefully this will make stronger/safer and more profitable 

A.

Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 07:45:13 PM
Nice of you Soggett to test the Vertical version of Atlantis concept.

I always like the idea of having two bits from the same cherry.

Whether tracking both versions is practical,time will tell.

Hope Atlantis doesn't mind all this extra interest !!

Nah! Cherries are one of my favourite fruit.     
Soggett - thanks for your findings and feel free to post any further ones on the vertical concept - it's just I agree with JL that the horizontal way played after 4 L's seems could be more solid in the long term....
A.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 17, 2012, 07:32:16 PM
Im going to test this over the coming weeks and report my stats here Atlantis.This has me feeling very positive. It looks very strong. I will post my results 50 ganes at a time.

Nice work Atlantis. 

Hi JohnL,
I will also play it as I have shown (the horizontal way after 4 L's)
With your vast previous experience playing your matrix and code 4 type systems, if anybody can discover the strength or weakness of this one or come up with any refinements or modifications it will certainly be you... I know that you would soon discover if it is worth pursuing or not... - I'm happy to see any session stats you care to provide and any new rules and game targets you think are best.

Regards,
A.

Another test example using previous real results:

1a3a
1c1a W L
2c1b L L
1c2a  L L        TRIGGER
3c1a  L1 L1
3c1c  L1 W4       +1
3b2b  W L
1c3b  L L
2b1c  L L         TRIGGER
2c2b  W2 L         +3       
2c1c  L W
2c2c  W W
1c1b  W L
3a2b  L L
1c2b  L L         TRIGGER
1c1b  W2 L          +5
3c2b  L L
2b3a  L L          TRIGGER
2b2b W2 W          +7
2c2a  W L
1a3b  L L
1c1a  W L
3a1b  L L
1c2b  L L           TRIGGER
3a1a  L1 W2          +8
1c2a  L L
1a3a  L W
1a1b  W L
3a1a  L W
2b1a  L L
1c1b W L
1c1a  W L
1c1b  W L
2b3b  L L
1a3b  L L            TRIGGER
3a2c  L1 L1
2b2a  w2 L             +8

A.     

Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
Like your thinking Atlantis....less bets more PROFIT...

Really impressed the Horizontal works now.

More testing required,me thinks.

Will utilise the new Horizontal improvement AND track how the Vertical works or not as i test further.

Even more Brilliant !!

Hi dino246,
There's no substitute for the testing, of course. I will do some as well. And I think you have to utilise the hit and run concept to some degree and stop when ahead - even if small profits... I'm a great believer in building up the profits slowly and steadily - it's like filling up a petrol tank a few drops at a time until you get to a full tank!   

A.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 17, 2012, 06:38:24 PM
I like the look of that Atlantis. Looks solid...

Hi JL,
I appreciate your input into this topic... Yes it *could* be good played the second way (horizontally; commencing bet prog after 4 L's as shown)
Atlantis.

Quote from: dino246 on December 17, 2012, 05:36:02 PM
Yes,i began with Horizontal and noticed getting into a negative situation ,that's when i thought how about your idea BUT Vertical instead.

It,s funny how random seems to re-align itself when forced on the vertical.

If we could all crack this to MATCH a D/C at 2-1 odds we'd all be cleverer than the team at BLETCHLEY PARK !!!

Agreed. 

Hi Dino,
Your same numbers but using a more 'patient' trigger of 4 L's in a row over 2 lines:

L L
L L


3C  2A  L L     
1A  1C  W L
1A  3B  L L       
3B  2A  L L        TRIGGER
2C  3A  L1  L1        -2
3B  2C  L1 L2         -5   (RESTART PROG)
2A  2A   W2 W        -3
OC  1B
3A  2A   L W
2A  1B   L L       
3A  10    L L        TRIGGER
30  3C                    -3   (no bet due to zero; wait next line)
3B  3A   W2  L        -1
3C  2A   L L         
3A  1C   L L          TRIGGER
3C  3C   W2 W         +1
1B  3B   L W
3B  2C   L L         
1A  2B   L L           TRIGGER
1B  1B   W2 W         +3
2A  2B   W L
2C  1C   L W
3C  1C   L W
1A  2A    L W
2C  3A   L L           
3C  1C   L W       
1A  2A    L W
2B  1A    L L         
3C  1A    L L           TRIGGER
2B  2C   W L            +5
1A  1A   W W
1A  1B  W L
2C  1A  L L           
3B  2C  L L             TRIGGER 
3C  1A   L1 L1             
3A  2A    L1 W4         +6
1B  2C  L L           
3B  2C  L L             TRIGGER
0B  2B                      +6  (no bet due to zero; wait next line)
1C  3A  L1 L1            +4   
3A  3A   W2 W          +6
1C  2B  L L           
2C  3C  L W           
1A  2A   L W
1A  2A   L W
2B  1C   L L           
1B  2C   L L             TRIGGER
3A  3A    W2 W          +8         
3C  1C   L W
1A  3C   L L           
3A  3C   W L             
3C  1B   L L           
3B  2A   L L              TRIGGER
3B  2B   L1 W2          +9
3B  3B   W W

+9 PROFIT (as opposed to -5 using the 2 L's trigger)

Might be better way to go........? 

A.