Gizmotron,
with respect,

You mean,
with the 2/1 staking ,
for "double dozens bet,"

at "average"  table, we lose little,
and at streaking table,
we make huge killing...

Hi ND,
Thanks for your views.

When we bet 1u, on B, and 1u on LOW,
Then, it a battle of 9blacklow vs 9 redhigh....
with EC payout.

We can't predict future,
thus if the wheel,
WELL BALANCE, OR BIASED,

then, I think,
we do a pinwheel4,
to see , how they behaved, and bet accordingly.

the 70losses vs 30win,
just an oversimplified example of a stable selection.
everyone here could see,
a 10losses, avoidance,
could win, even flat.

Dear DrSudoku,
with respect,

A stable selection, is the PRIORITY,
then, a variance avoidance,
then any simple progression, will do.

Even the best progression, can't win, if extreme variance hit.

A simple GR8, could win,
if you have a stable selection,
since, it will close to breakeven,
after a long spin...say 100attempts.

ie. single dozen bet.
if there 70lose vs 30 hit, in any permutation,
how to win, 1u?
with variance avoidance?

Hi DoctorSudoku,

IMHO,
Firstly,
We must have a,
very stable betselection,

ie.

OVERSIMPLIFIED EXAMPLE.
---------------------
for single dozen,
say,
we have 30% hit.
[there no set in stone,
for hit percentages,
but AROUND  a certain %.]
=======================

Thus , they will ,
close to breakeven,
at certain X spins.


If they,
near-breakeven 30%,
at,

100bet attempts,

breakeven=
100x33%=33hit/100.attempts


that will be around -3hit deficit.

if,
200spins bet-attempt.

then ,
200x33%=66hit/200.
then deficit=-6hit.
----------------------


if the stable,
produce near breakeven 30%,

at 300bet attempt.

then 300x33%=99hit/300

then 300x30%=90hit/300.
deficit of -9hit.
===========================

thus we must apply VARIANCE avoidance.

for 100bet at 30%,
we wait for at least 3losses streak, before we start to bet, as we already confident that our stable selection, will hit AROUND 30hit/100,
thus after more than 3losses, we hope, that
they will 30hit/97 spins attempt.

We bet 1u, to halfway,
if still can't win at least 1u,
then we bet 2u, hoping the cluster of win, hit at the 2nd half.

Now you see, this is like the GR8 progression.

=========
if stable 30% at 200spins attempt,
then 33%=66hit,
and 30%=60hit,
thus -6hit deficit.
thus we wait for streaks of more than 6losses.

thus 60hit/next 194spins.
=====================
for 300spins
33%=99hit.
30%=90=-9hit deficit.

thus wait for more than 9losses,
to start.
=============

go to GLC threads,
he the KING of progressions,
and learn many good mild progressions.

Thanks Wannawin,  Sputnik,
for your views.
============================

The problem is,
in any bet selection,
that available for research...
if we test by betting FLATBET...

EVERY bet selection,tested,

the very BEST,
will hit the negative HE,
MATH EXPECTATION!
or close to ,
BREAKEVEN.

Some in shorter spins,
say 100bets taken,

others may swing high,
far and low...
to thousands spins...
before,
close to ,
BREAKEVEN.


and the bad,
to worst,
will diverge wide...

Thus ,
IMHO,
The very STABLE selection,
which,
inevitably alway "CLUSTER",
and,
together, with,
the H&R strategy,
where you win more than losses,
is the answer, to win constantly...

How,
by betting the probability,
of short run,
where,
the winning season higher than loser.
and most importantly,
having a LOSE target,
where you cut loss,

and stop, for the season,

and also stop,
when you reach win target.

======================

How we bet the STABLE selection,
which must CLUSTER?

By avoiding VARIANCE,
wait for Y losses,
or ,
"Y-losses, with few, z wins, in between",

and risked,
to bet x spins,
when a win hit.
with mild progression.
till target losses, or target profit.

this for Kimo Li's enthusiastic only.
Those who prejudiced,
please don't read, don't comment.

I do a simple RED low, Black high list,
and you may see....
==================
quote.

The only correlation between the European wheel and the layout is that the high red numbers and low black numbers are on one side of the wheel and the low red numbers and high black numbers are one the other side of the wheel.

So if you look at the layout and you see 32 red come in and on the next spin 8 black comes in, I know that the ball is favoring one side of the wheel. A player can use that as an advantage by playing four different groups, A and B LH strategy. Four quads of nine numbers, high reds, low blacks, high blacks and low reds, skip and run tracking applicable.
KIMO LI.
unquote

Gentlemen,
we already heard,
the stale argument, that 1 ,
may sleep forever,
till you lose your farm,
(hope no one talk no more about this boring sleep!)

My half cent,
choose a favorite number,
or wait till the one ,
that after the last 36no. hit,
and bet, for, say,
1u, for 35spins,
(if hit, restart, bet for 35spins...)
if not, STOP BET.
Wait for a virtual hit, then bet for 35 again.

this way, we avoid, long variance, and if the 1, a hot number, then,
we made a killing.
if unlucky, then just take loss, go home.

How will,
three dozens.
and a pesky ZERO,
ABC0,
BEHAVED, IN NEXT PINS???
============================

IF ZERO, INCLUDED...
Permutations with repetition (n=4, r=4)
Using Items: A,B,C,0

List has 256 entries.
========================
THE PROBABILITY=256ROWS OF PINWHEEL FOUR.

Gentlemen,
Now we reach,
the apex,
of pinwheel strategy...

Only the person,
who understand the basic,
could read, what I am posted here.
Those interested to know the near-HG in pinwheel,
need go to learn the basic first.
or else, they will abandon,
after only a few moment.

below,
a pinwheel-four strategy,
let see how it behave.

A set of result,
can become,
FOUR sets,
of pinwheel four.

those who understand ,
will jump up and shout EUREKA!!!

see how..a row of pw4 has...
1]  =3 different dz.
2] =2 different dz.
3] =only 1 dz.
4]PESKY ZERO.

Any question,
could be asked here.
or if you fear ridiculement,
or fear of criticism,
then mail me..
I AM NOT SELLING ANYTHING!
OR AFFLIATE TO ANYONE!
don't BUY!,
don't PAY!

weirdenglishwriter@gmail.com

I only answered, to those already,
understand the basic.

Let me BOAST a little,
[can't help]

I,
PA,
the first ,
to revealed,
the PINWHEEL3 strategy,
that bet after TWO different hit.

And NOW,
I,
the first to revealed,
the PW4.

of course,
a person, will smirk,
and then chuckle,
then LOLrof,
after reading this...

AND ALSO, WE CAN DO,

PINWHEEL-SIX

LESS BACK-TO-BACK LOSE,
GOOD FOR H&R.

Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
02.01.2001
Gewinnzahlen:



   9A
   1A
  12A
  27C
31C 
  30C-==HIT1
------------
   7A
4A 
13B 
10A 
8A 
33C -==HIT2
------------
8A 
  16B
28C 
  14B
  12A
15B  -==HIT3
------------
  16B
   7A
  21B
10A 
31C 
  25C-==HIT4
------------
20B 
28C 
   9A
35C 
  34C
29C  -X1
------------
35C 
  32C
6A 
  19B
   7A
   9A-==HIT5
------------
29C 
28C 
  36C
26C 
  23B
  32B-==HIT6
------------
15B 
33C 
  25C
10A 
   1A
35C  -X2
------------
31C 
6A 
   9A
  32C
   1A
  21B-==HIT7
------------
24B 
8A 
24B 
  30C
  34C
10A  -==HIT8
------------
  32C
29C 
17B 
   7A
  23B
  23B-==HIT9
------------
20B 
10A 
   3A
28C 
11A 
  12A-X3
------------
24B 
  25C
  14B
2A
28C 
  21B-==HIT10
------------
   5A
33C 
26C 
  34C
22B 
35C  -X4
------------
   9A
   9A
  14B
2A 
28C
6A -==HIT11
------------
28C 
15B 
  14B
00
  25C
15B  -==HIT12
------------
13B 
  16B
13B 
33C 
  34C
24B  -==HIT13
------------
17B 
  34C
  16B
26 C
29C 
   1A-==HIT14
------------
10A 
31C 
   7A
   3A
  21B
13B  -==HIT15
------------
22B 
   9A
26C 
  23B
  34C
  30C-==HIT16
------------
20B 
26C 
28C 
00
  16B
  36C-==HIT17
------------
   3A
15B 
  19B
  36C
  18B
  36C-X5
------------
20B 
   3A
  18B
22B 
24B 
  32C-==HIT18
------------
28C 
22B 
  32C
11A 
33C 
24B  -==HIT19
------------
24B 
35C 
13B 
   5A
31C 
6A  -==HIT20
------------
26C 
  18B
8A 
8A 
  34C
   3A-==HIT21
------------
  23B
  27C
29C 
22B 
  19B
  14B-==HIT22
------------
   1A
35C 
  16B
6 A
2A 
  12A-==HIT23
------------
15B 
   9A
17B 
13B 
2A 
15B -==HIT24
------------
  16B
  34C
  25C
   5A
35C 
2A  -X6
------------
00
  19B
10A 
4 A
   7A
13B  -NB
------------
  18B
15B 
8A 
  18B
8A 
  21B-==HIT25
------------
   1A
8A
  21B
  23B
31C 
33C  -==HIT26
------------
4A 
   3A
17B 
35C 
  27C
  14B-==HIT27
------------
  18B
24B 
   7A
4A 
22B 
  14B-==HIT28
------------
   1A
   9A
   7A
28C 
  21B
  30C-==HIT29
------------
6A 
17B 
24B 
   1A
  32C
2A  -==HIT30
------------
2A 
   7A
26C 
35C 
15B 
28C  -==HIT31
------------
17B 
   1A
  30C
   9A
  23B
  19B-==HIT32
------------
   7A
33C 
  21B
  23B
  34C
   7A-==HIT33
------------
   7A
20B 
  23B
4A 
11A 
33C  -==HIT34
------------
13B 
20B 
  19B
00
  23B
   1A-==HIT35
------------
22B 
4A 
4A 
24B 
  19B
31C  -==HIT36
------------
  25C
   1A
   3A
35C 
  19B
  21B-==HIT37
------------
  12A
  19B
   7A
  12A
  23B
  32C-==HIT38
------------

31C 
24B   
   7A
  32C
20B 
31C -==HIT39
------------
29C 
  16B
  16B
  19B
17B 
24B  -X7
------------
  23B
13B 
13B 
20B 
  21B
   5A-==HIT40
------------
   7A
4A 
31C 
15B 
  12A
   9A-==HIT41
------------
00
4A 
20B 
  36C
20B 
10A  -NB
------------
   3A
15B 
====

41HIT/7LOSE=RATIO


Anzahl Spiele:  302







SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Gentlemen,
We could also do...

PINWHEEL-FOUR,
for single dozen bet.

do a long list of real spins,
in pinwheel-four,
and not surprised

by the STABLE results.

see how many

'three-different dozen",
in four-spins-matrix.


and understand what I mean,
and then see, how you could H&R!

you hardly see that a pw300, permutation,
followed by another pw300 permutation,
except when, a dozen streaking, over 6spins.


ie.
300.
300
030
003.....


thus, when a pw300permutation hit, bet after it break.

ie.
AAA=pw300.
A....don't bet, as it may streak to 6spins, thus AAA.pw300 again.
============================


AAA=pw300
B....break, thus bet B, won't become Pw030.

lose when

.BBB..PW030
risk 8 unit.

test this,
only those understand the basic, could do.

A pw111, hit around 33%.

a PARTICULAR pw111=1/27.

thus, we do 36spins, as a season.
36spins=12rows of pinwheel.

thus,
when a particular pw111, hit,
will it hit again, in next 36spins?


of course, it may hit, thus see the,
hit/miss ratio,
and what you gonna do about this trait?

Dear Asymbacguy,
Thanks for yor interest.

That pinwheel,
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/pinwheel-test-sim-please/

not my idea, but Kimo Li's...


Thanks.