BA,
and others,
see if you could win this,
[may upload into the tracker]

answer to thelaw:..by Albalaha,

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  Every session can win with a martingale of any form. It is the max bet of few thousands and DDs of -12000 or even more that makes it  not at all playable.
   
Sadly it is being preached that this method wins at last but it is not told that any big simulation may seek thousands of chips and bets of thousands too, in a spin. How many can bet 4096 units in a go or even more? The shown sample session won at last but with max bet of 2048 units and DD of -12,000 and -10,000.

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this is the horror session shown in excel with bet of 2048 and drawdown of 10k and 12k.


I am also attaching a superhorror session where one will need to bet over 65000 units with BA progression with its graph. One can put this session in the tracker and see how bad marty goes in all its forms.

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graph...by Albalaha

posted by Albalaha in gamblingforum.
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qoute,

Now, when his progression has failed in almost every 10k session without betting a few thousands, he says his betselection is better and hence immune from such drawdowns which is the worst joke I have ever heard.
No way of picking bet is better than all other bets, in long run or multiple small run tests. Every bet gets momentarily good or bad and in long run, close to its mathematical expectancy.
To showcase what I said about betselections, I did entire zumma baccarat having nearly 115k hands without Tie bet in 5 types of betselection. Each go almost identical as a whole. No advantage or disadvantage in anyone.
http://albalaha.lefora.com/topic/11...et-selections-perform-zumma-1600#.VteMU3197Mw
unquote.

here the tracker

The original poster of this topic , has written and attached in gamblingforums ,

an interesting  'TRACKER', to share with us,
please read on, or go to that forum.

Thanks.
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[by Albalaha]

I saw lots of hue and cry over the progression suggested by Blue Angel which I like to call "Delayed Martingale". i have created a tracker for the same for everyone to see. Anybody is free to post/attach the tracker to all relevant forums as I do not write in other forums. It tanks so badly that eventually, it will need infinite chips and unlimited table limits like regular martingale. I have attached a regular session and an RNG page where anybody can see infinite 10k spins sessions with this way.
I do not have any enmity with either Blue Angel or Nickmsi as both have been my friends and they have every right to suggest methods as I or anybody do. I just want to show all that just delaying the martingale by playing in spans of 37 spins, doesn't make a winner by itself.

I could not attach excel directly here so uploaded it on file upload site: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00136778777113954514

http://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/anybody-think-such-bad-streak-can-be-won.4269/

Atlantis,
Thanks for your reply.

I try to have a betselection like this.
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matrix-two.

Bet EVERY, SECOND SPIN.

Thus, if a dozen repeat for say, ten times, then, we will have five hits.

If zero hit, as first spin, then we 'no-bet', the second spin.

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matrix-two, bet only , every second spin.
[say, if A, repeat for 9times.]

AA=HIT
AA=HIT
AA=HIT
AA=HIT
AB=LOSE
BB=HIT
BB=HIT
CB=LOSE
CC=HIT
CC=HIT
BB=HIT
BC=LOSE
CA=LOSE
AB=LOSE..So on...

the purpose, is to see whether,
it a stable selection.=33%
thanks.

Atlantis,
If we bet like matrix two,

where we wait for a dozen,

then bet that dozen will repeat,
how will the long term result be?

eg.

A=dozen1
B=dozen2
C=dozen3.

when,
say,
A hit, bet A will repeat.
win or lose=stop,
wait for new dozen,
then bet that dozen will repeat.

EXAMPLE.
FIRST SPIN=TRIGGER.
BET ONLY EVERY SECOND SPIN.

AA=HIT
BA=LOSE
CA=LOSE
BB=HIT
AA=HIT
BB=HIT
CA=LOSE
CB=LOSE
CC=HIT

as I am computer dump,
could you please make a test and see how they hit?
Stable, or swinging wide.
Thanks.

What BA means, is we MAY hit by EXTREME, of variance,
that only,

20hit/111,
or even,

15hit/111, in single dozen!!!

And he, could win, with his strategy.
don't ask me how, only he, knows how to win the 15/111.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 28, 2016, 05:28:02 PM

Beat-the-wheel or should I say "weird" confirm what I said but don't post details about my progression.

yes, BA,
I admit that,
and, also admit,
you are many times better,
than me,
in betting  progression.
thanks.

Well ,
Thelaw,
I have no animosity toward anyone here, or in the web net.

One thing is, you are only "nick" of understanding, that will make most of your strategy a near HG, that will win constantly,
where at the end of the year, losing seasons losses, would be much less that the profitable seasons.

Only a handful of people out of seven billions earth population,  has this "knowledge",

but unfortunately, or rather, fortunately, the people who knows, choose to ...'mute' .

If someone, could sit down with you and tell you, in an hour, what I mean, you will 'ohh..' and 'ahh...', and 'eureka...'

But people who knows, will choose, not to say anything here, for why should they?

They closely and zealously guard this 'knowledge'.

If you reread, my thread, in r.cc, you will understand.

You just , "nick", of understanding.

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I wanna start a topic about how to build your OWN hg..

But I afraid, some members here will start , "war, and battle of nasty words" ,
that I a scammer, cheater, what's not..

The Fact, is I never take anyone money, and never try to sell anything. ===========================
A HG, or will have FOUR most important CRITERIA.
Below the criteria according to their importance!
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1]A BET SELECTION,

that, must "CONSISTENTLY & CONSTANTLY
produce WIN/LOSE RATIO,
that within math expectation."

[what is that animal, MATH-EXPECTATION???]

2]PROGRESSION.

When u have that kind of bet selection,

U build a mild progression AROUND the said bet-selection.

and win easily...

3]Horrible VARIANCE avoidance in PROGRESSION,

or management.
That avoid huge losses, when long streaky, with too little wins in-between... happen!

Understand this, and u may even win, without any progression!

4]STOP-LOSS.

AS we can't foresee future,
and when the MURPHY Law comes, a visiting, we need to CUT LOSS, but the cutloss, will be OFFSET, by another few winning profitable seasons.
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When U have UNDERSTAND VERY-VERY WELL!,
all FOUR criteria...

U can build your OWN hg! [I promised U..]

and soon casino will need to change rules..
[three-ZERO roulette, perhaps? hahahaawww]
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Those who already understand , will say nothing here.
Those who didn't want to understand, but tantrum thrower,
please don't post anything hurtful here.

Those newbie, or eager learner, or expert,
please post constructive criticism, or opinion, or questioning here.

I am a sporting person, will not get angry with anyone here.

Thanks.

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Those expert may skip this, as it repetitive and boring.

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Greatest Mistake and Misunderstanding,
of searching for ,...
and keep testing a bet selection for superior POSITIVE hit.!!!

Many of u, had test "EVEN-CHANCE", EC ,bet selection.
of black/red, O/E,H/L...

At the few first TESTING,[with no progression] they show GREAT profits, of 5,10,20,even 30 units profits.

and u feel ELATED! Happy, and "Oh Boy! This a grail!"

and then after a few more testing, they show losses of -5,-10,-20,and even -30units!!!

and u start to fell depressed, frustrated, and angry...

How I know, because, I also used to be in your shoes...

Why the bet selection, produce HUGE profit, and then , show HUGE losses?

This is because the, or your bad selection, can't overcome the probability law and the house edge,

and will SWING! WIDELY!..[but at the end will rtm]

What is SWING?
The bet selection, will produce high profit, and then swing to huge losses..

SWINGING...!

and that is in accordance with the law of probability, after a long test, when u add up, will see the net losses, just around the house edge!

THERE WILL NEVER A BET SELECTION THAN SUPERIOR THAN THE "PROBABILITY, and HOUSE EDGE" COMBINED!

..NEVER!!!

Ok, if we erased the zero from the casino real bet record, after a long test, u will see that, the win/loss ratio will around 50% all the time, throw in the ZERO, and u have negative!

So don't waste your time testing and hoping for a BET selection, that will SUPERIOR than
the 'probability&Edge', COMBINED.

So , then what we need to test, or search, if there NEVER, a selection, that superior???

answer;

"Look for a bet selection that consistently, and constantly hit STABLE, WIN/LOSE ratio, that hit within the math expectation, or in other words, LOSE just at the "PROBABILITY and EDGE", value, COMBINED!

[that quote alone worth millions, hehehe]


YES! LOSE. NOT WIN!!!

Still not understand?

Ok, here some math, which will bore, or confuse some, nevertheless, we can't escape the math,  if u, want to understand.


U may ask question later..
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The Euro Wheel has 37numbers.
One of the number is ZERO, or GREEN.
the other is 36, with 18..BLACK, red, ODD,even,HIGH,low.

What that ZERO doing here...to make u lose more money! hahahaaww!

So ,
One set of 37, has 1zero
two set of 37, [37x2]=74, has 2zero.

three set of 37,[37x3=111, has 3zero..

3zero/111=2.7027% house edge.

or just 2.7%

and now u understand, why we need to test 111spins,
instead of 100spins/set, as 111, more accurate!

Then U may ask

WHY the need of a bet selection that constantly and consistently hit STABLE, -2.7% ???? why? why? why?

answer,
because, there will no bet selection that hit, BETTER than -2.7% long term! There will never be! OR ELSE, all the casino, already closed shop 300years ago!!!

And most importantly,
All the BET SELECTION, which not constantly and consistently hit win/lose ratio will SWING WIDELY, that caused little profit, and HUGE LOSSES due to horrible PROGRESSION!!!!!!!!!!

and now u understand why casino still stand strong, and we still here? hahahaaww!
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We NEED a STABLE bet selection,
and build mild progression, around it...that a hg...

REPEAT.

[READ 10000000 TIMES, TILL YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND]

We NEED a STABLE bet selection,
and build mild progression, around it...that a hg...

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REPEAT.  AGAIN..

[READ 10000000 TIMES, TILL YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND]

We NEED a STABLE bet selection,
and build mild progression, around it...that a hg...



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we need to embrace the edge, instead of abhor it.

hmmm...wonder how many jump up, and eureka...???

sometime , only, and just,... a one liner change the the whole mindset!





opinion please?

Hi BA,
No need to be agitated,
The author now, challenge you to win, the HORROR #4.

See if you  win this horror#4...?
I don't think so...

BA,
You want the truth?..
The truth will kill you!


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and below not mine, but quote from  with permission,
go there and, dare to debate with him if you have the...err, err...ballllllls...

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If such spans can be beaten the games get beaten itself because bad stretches cause irreparable losses to the bankroll. Everybody can describe MMs to play bets doing average number of hits or a little below average only or in a way favorable or bearable to him. In the given stretches an average gambler can only think of losses or at max stop loss.
In bs.cc BTW carried these sessions after asking me and I saw good attempts to handle them although blue-angel's MM won't hold as he has an expectation of getting too many wins clustered later, in out of proportion if it started bad, which is unreal.

Innovation can not be expected from everyone.

Try whatever you feel can help. One can reverse engineer one of my sessions but not all 3 with the same approach. This could be a nice brain teaser. Every bet gets harsh moments even with the best safeguards possible. Unless you are well equipped to handle them with the least damage, you are supposed to be a loser always, at last.

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Dear BA,
its not mine, I just copied and paste, go there and debate with the author, below is what he said about you.


http://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/anybody-think-such-bad-streak-can-be-won.4269/
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QUOTE:

Wow!!!

A reverse engineering genius in bs.cc saw cluster of wins in the end and suggested a fixed step martingale type progression, in the batches of every 37 spins. So, he will play with 1 unit for first 37 spins and then 2,4,8,16,32 etc. lol.

It is easy to make a key of one lock after having ample opportunity to diagnose that but the question is that of a master key. However, he could still not win my first horror session. He is presupposing a good cluster of wins anytime soon, which is unrealistic.

In this lesser horrible session given below with 89 wins and 112 losses, his reverse engineering wisdom will look foolish enough.
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Dear BA,
May you please show us how to win the horror #3.?

Thanks in advance.

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