Quote from: sqzbox on December 30, 2012, 01:29:46 AM
I write my own programs to test theories and concepts before playing.  Guess what!  I still don't play!

Fascinating! What concepts should we avoid in your opinion to save ourself some time?

welcome to the forum! 

Less is more!

This especially applies to my sports bets (cricket, tennis and football)

I read in a book that a loss should hurt you and that it is the best way to learn from your mistakes. So I decided to employ super patience this year and just wait for the time that I considered all the factors were in favour of my selection and then really have a go!

Andy Murray was my hero this year! 

I was just looking at the actuals Vic posted on his 'Double Trio Evolution' thread and I wanted to share this with you guys because I see it a lot!

Back in a mo.....

This is getting a bit of airplay on another site.

Has anyone figured this stuff out yet? 

http://web.archive.org/web/20021209001742/www.sq-ro-let.com/contents.html


chapter 3 Sam! 

It appeared that I had could not play some of the different types of mutually exclusive bets to generate a number.

This now appears as though it was some kind of glitch because I have had no problems since that particular game.

Please ignore the 'alert' warning!

cheers.

Albalaha was talking about Ion Saliu on another thread and it got me thinking about shills who deliberately put out false/misleading information on the internet to muddy the waters.

They come in all different guises and I can't ever remember reading a thread on the subject. I suppose we have to be careful what we say but there is nothing to stop us posting our general thoughts without naming names.


Regarding Ion. He is certainly an interesting character! 

One thing I notice is that he is attacked from a lot of different quarters within the gambling community. Now this could be a good thing meaning he is on the right track and people who think they might have something to lose will bash him.

I was watching a short video the other day of one guy in a vegas casino showing how to play all the games. No doubt this guys books are in all the casino book stores as well.

Now one of the questions you have to ask yourself is would the casinos let Stanford Wong shoot a video in their casino explaining the subtleties of shuffle tracking? NOT ON YOUR LIFE!

It would be like me letting the guy who broke into my house give demonstrations in my living room to wannabe crooks how he did it! 

So what should newbies be looking out for and what are the tell tale signs that give the game away?

It's well into the 21st down under and they are still all there! 

This is a very interesting thread regarding Ladbrokes and Bet365 trying to discourage the arbers. It is proving profitable to follow.

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29510953/365-and-laddies-stoop-to-new-caped-crusader-low?pg=1

Why is the number 10 on a single zero roulette wheel different to all the other numbers?

The first person with the correct answer wins a prize!

First of all, I would like to point out that all you guys who create bots and can programme have my utmost respect. I can only imagine it as a labour of love.

I would like to see what the general thoughts are from members and how useful (ie. profitable) they are.

I have got to be honest and say upfront that my views may be a bit biased. I am an old fashioned type of guy which means pen and paper. I don't use programmes or run simulations over thousands of spins. I like to study the game spin by spin. I personally feel that this has given me a great level of understanding and insight into the game of roulette.

I sometimes think that people who are maybe new at the game and jump straight into bots and programmes are jumping from A to G and are therefore missing out on B, C, D, E and F.

Another of my concerns would be playing online as opposed to playing at live B+M casinos.
Now there are many people even on here who are suggesting a lot of online casinos may be rigged in favour of the house. Obviously a bot or programme would be of no use to someone long term if this were the case. In fact you could argue that you would lose your money even faster if any of these accusations were true.  But the main problem then would be that the player would be like a fish out of water at a live B+M casino if he lived in a country where he could not use any device which runs these programmes. (I don't subscribe to these allegations but I have to say that I have not played a lot online. I am really a pretty infrequent online player and I jump around online casinos a lot. So even though I don't agree with it, it does not mean that it is not true to some degree.)

Those would be my concerns regarding bots and programmes. (+ online casinos)

Now for the positives.....

I am pretty certain from what I have read on the net that there are countries where it is not illegal to actually use a small PDA device to work out your calculations. (I am not talking about 'roulette computers' using physical approaches either.) 

I am talking about maybe a small programme which might help you with something like 'winkel's crossings' or maybe some of FLAT'S work.

This would be great for someone who maybe has a good understanding of the game and is looking to extract as much as information as he can in such a small timeframe. (and not working out what level he is at in the 'super-duper grand martingale with bells on' system)

I think you can see where I am coming from and I hope nobody takes it as a personal insult  who enjoys using or creating bots. It is just my personal views. I would be interested in hearing what others think.

cheers.

   
Here is something interesting I found well doing some research over the last few days.

I will paste in one of my 100 spin cards and then explain the system.


13 2A
11 1B (3C)
13 2A (3C)
31 3A (C) O
3 1C (B) O
18 2C (B) S
9 1C (B) S
4 1A (B) S
26 3B (2) O
26 3B (2) S
23 2B (C) O
3 1C (A) O
23 2B (A) S
34 3A (1C) O
15 2C (1) O
35 3B (1) S
33 3C (1) S
15 2C (1) S
14 2B (1) S
15 2C (1) S
31 3A (1) S
34 3A (1) S
6 1C (B) O
34 3A (B) S
20 2B (1C) O
9 1C (3A) O
23 2B (3A) S
7 1A (3) O
17 2B (3) S
14 2B (3) S
4 1A (3) S
4 1A (3) S
29 3B (C) O
22 2A (C) S
10 1A (C) S
14 2B (C) S
34 3A (C) S
33 3C (1) O
6 1C (2B) O
5 1B (2) O (RUN OF 3) WON
9 1C (2) S
36 3C (2) S
25 3A (2) S
36 3C (2) S
35 3B (2) S
22 2A (1) O
6 1C (3B) O
34 3A (B) O (RUN OF 3) WON
21 2C (B) S
2 1B (3A) O
19 2A (3) O
15 2C (3) S
24 2C (3) S
14 2B (3) S
25 3A (1) O
31 3A (1) S
32 3B (1) S
33 3C (1) S
3 1C (2) O
18 2C (A) O
24 2C (A) S
21 2C (A) S
26 3B (A) S
6 1C (A) S
23 2B (A) S
6 1C (A) S
24 2C (A) S
28 3A (B) O
11 1B (2C) O
24 2C (3A) O (RUN OF 3) WON
8 1B (3A) S
27 3C (A) O
36 3C (A) S
30 3C (A) S
25 3A (2) O
14 2B (1) O
11 1B (C) O (RUN OF 3) WON
28 3A (C) S
21 2C (1B) O
33 3C (1B) S
35 3B (1) O
13 2A (1) S
6 1C (3B) O
25 3A (B) O
4 1A (B) S
35 3B (2) O
32 3B (2) S
26 3B (2) S
11 1B (2) S
7 1A (2) S
15 2C (3) O
8 1B (3) S
29 3B (A) O
20 2B (A) S
27 3C (A) S
6 1C (A) S
10 1A (2B) O
2 1B (2) O
9 1C (2) S
13 2A (3) O

The number is to the left.

Then I assign the dozen/column. Example 13 = 2A. (2nd dozen / column A)

The  ( ) contain the furthest back dozen and/or column.

So looking at the first few numbers from above....

13 2A
11 1B (3C).....BOTH 3 and C are the furthest back.....
13 2A (3C) .....BOTH 3 and C are still the furthest back......
31 3A (C) O......Now just the C is the furthest back........
3 1C (B) O......Now the B is the furthest back.......
18 2C (B) S......The B is still the furthest back......

You may be wondering what the O and S stand for?

If the furthest back stays the same, it is marked S.

If it changes, it is marked O.

The 'Run of Three' System is looking for three O's and then you bet for the S on the next result.

You can see that 4 bets appeared looking through my 100 spin card.

Here was the first one.
33 3C (1) O
6 1C (2B) O
5 1B (2) O (RUN OF 3)
9 1C (2) S


So you can see the three O's and now you would be looking for it to change to S.

This basically means that you want the 2nd dozen to remain missing in this case.
You would therefore bet dozen 1 and dozen 3.

Number 9 appeared (1C) which belongs to dozen 1 and is a winner.

All 4 bets were winners. Most of my cards are clear winners with this idea with very few losses at all.

cheers

It strikes me variance does not have to be the big bad wolf some people claim it to be!

Who are most likely to be the victims?

*progression players would be at the top of my list..... One bad run increasing your bets and it's likely to be 'goodnight Vienna'.

*Mechanical system players..... The player who sticks to playing his system despite the fact it's plainly not performing on the day.

*The underfunded gambler...... This is the guy who thinks he can turn 50 euros into 500 euros with just 100 chips    (we all make mistakes)

All the above can be corrected.

We don't need to bet every spin.

We can have several methods of play which are interchangeable.

We can be properly funded for our sessions and set workable targets.

So variance does not have to be the bogeyman. (That's the house edges job  )

cheers

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I saw this for the first time in my local casino today.

You place your bets and pull back the spring controlling your own game.

The best thing for me about this is that you can get all your bets down every time.

I will try and dig up some more info on it!

cheers

I was reading on one of the baccarat forums how a player was having success betting against the majority of players at a table. (a sure way to make new friends  )

So it got me thinking.....

What if you created 5 random streams before you went into the casino.

I will use RED/BLACK for this example.

R -1 R -1 R -1 R -1 B +1
R -2 B +0 B +0 R -2 R +0
B -1 R -1 R -1 R -3 R -1
R +0 R +0 B -2 R -2 R +0
B -1 B -1 R -1 R -1 B -1
B -2 R +0 B -2 R +0 R +0
B -3 R +1 B -3 R +1 R +1
B -2 B +2 R -4 B +2 R +0
R -1 R B R R
B +0 R B R R
B -1 R B B B
B -2 R B R B
R -3 B R B B
R -4 B B R R
R -3 R B B B
B -4 R R B R
B -3 R B R R
B -4 R B R R
B -3 R B R R
B -2 R R R R
　
B B B R R R R B R B R R B B R R B R B B. (Here are the 20 results)

The analysis stuff.....

Player 1 never gets ahead.

Player 3 starts a losing streak.

Player 4 is on a win streak of 5.

Player 5 goes back and forwards between +0 and -1 or +0 and +1. (The trick here would be to wait for it to go to +1 or -1 and then bet for it to go back to +0.)

Looking at the next bet......

Player 2 who is on a win streak of 3 would be betting RED next.

Player 3 who is on a losing streak of 3 would be betting BLACK next.

Player 4 who is on a winning streak of 5 would be betting RED next.

So my intuition tells me to bet RED. 

It's RED. 

(I am enclosing a neater version of the chart as a screenshot)

I am just wondering if anybody has ever thought of using something like this just to try and gain some sort of insight into what to bet next. It may be a load of hocus pocus but you never know.

cheers 

Here will be a place to share some of my thoughts and ideas! 

I have been thinking about this lately 

It really strikes me that positive progressions are the way to go.

Let's say that you bet 6 splits x $10 = $60.

You win and get back $180. That's a profit of $120.

Now here is the good part. You can increase your bet on the next spin and STILL keep some of the winnings from the previous bet!

So you could now go 6 splits x $15 = $90.

You win and get back $270. That's a profit of $180 plus the $120 you made on the last spin.

If you happened to lose that last bet.....

You are still in front over the 2 bets to the tune of $30.

Maybe the trick to playing positive progressions is the way I have mentioned above making sure you at least guarantee yourself some profit even if you lose the 2nd bet. (of course you would just stay at the base level should you lose the first bet)

I understand that you couldn't do it with even money bets and you are not always going to get long winning runs betting dozens but I have seen plenty of 2 dozen negative progression methods bust to know which one I would personally prefer to play.

cheers

I was thinking about our struggles to beat roulette and wondered what other people would make of our almost obsessive fascination with the game....

....Then I watched this and it's kind of ironic.

These 2 guys live in the middle of nowhere (uttoxeter) and are managing a health centre and yet you would think they are in charge of the bank of england.

It's hillarious.

http://youtu.be/Y7o8FbGCR9U

 "If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe." -Nikola Tesla

I discovered something about the numbers 3 6 9 when I was working on system9 earlier this year. I will share it on this thread.

What I will say is that it is the most 'freaky' thing that I have ever witnessed when playing this game.

It will take a bit of explaining and I will start in the morning when I have a clear head. (It is about 1.00am here now)

He was at war with them
and they killed him before he could kill them

The Secret Service stood down.

Dallas and Texas law enforcement stood down.

Military intelligence, which is normally enrolled to provide presidential security, stood down.

The FBI stood down.

These elements opened the door to the assassination, but did not have the resources to deliver the shooters and the complicated cover story and witness elimination program that followed.

Corrupt elements of the CIA and their long term friends and colleagues in organized crime did.

And they did it because their very survival was at stake.

After decades of non-investigation by the epically corrupt Herbert Hoover, Robert Kennedy - the president's brother and Attorney General - was going after organized crime full force.

JFK was going after the criminal elements that had taken over the CIA.

Neither of the Kennedy brothers were choir boys, but this was a heroic effort on their parts and done for the good of the country. Had they succeeded, they would have averted many of the catastrophes that have befallen the US - and other countries (many hundreds of millions of people) - in the last 49 years

The Kennedy brothers knew the risks involved in their operations and what they attempted required great moral and physical courage, the likes of which have rarely been seen in the history of this country.

It's noteworthy that this story, one of the most important in post-war 20th century history, has been completely erased from the public mind.

http://youtu.be/MnwHQxbuPeE


I don't believe in a lot of the conspiracy theories that are thrown around on the internet but this was a sad day for America and the rest of the world at large.

I was just thinking of ways how we could be self sustaining without the need for ads and did come up with an idea which may work.

How about a roulette book library.

I have a lot of roulette books that I don't read anymore. I am sure there are a few of us like that.

How about donating them to the forum and setting up a bookshop.

The books could maybe be sold for £5.00 each + postage. This would be much cheaper than buying them new.

Let's see if we can come up with some good ideas.

This is something that I was working on a few months ago.
It is not 100% mechanical and you have to wing it a bit. The results can be pretty good.
It is based on Dozens/Columns.
You need to record the results in pairs.
I will start with the dozens first.
1,1 = 1.
1,2 = 2.
1,3 = 3.
2,1 = 4.
2,2 = 5.
2,3 = 6.
3,1 = 7.
3,2 = 8.
3,3 = 9.
Now the columns.
A,A = 1.
A,B = 2.
A,C = 3.
B,A = 4.
B,B = 5.
B,C = 6.
C,A = 7.
C,B = 8.
C,C = 9.
I just downloaded some numbers from random.org and will give a quick example.
I will show what I mean with a single stream using dozens.
27) 3
28) 3 = 9
04) 1
21) 2 = 2
31) 3
19) 2 = 8
14) 2
33) 3 = 6
33) 3
03) 1 = 7
34) 3
29) 3 = 9
26) 3
12) 1 = 7
01) 1
22) 2 = 2
33) 3
22) 2 = 8
So you are probably scratching your head and wondering what's so good about that.
You need to pay particular attention to groups 2,4,7,8.
The 2 means the 1st dozen has went to the 2nd dozen.
The 4 means the 2nd dozen has went to the 1st dozen.
The 7 means the 3rd dozen has went to the 1st dozen.
The 8 means the 3rd dozen has went to the 2nd dozen.
These groups of 2,4,7,8 work excactly the same with the columns.
The 2 means the 1st column has went to the 2nd column.
The 4 means the 2nd column has went to the 1st column.
The 7 means the 3rd column has went to the 1st column.
The 8 means the 3rd column has went to the 2nd column.
What I have found is these groups of 2,4,7,8 can really clump together.
What I do is run 4 streams of data with the dozens and columns.
Let me show you how I would now turn the dozens above into 2 streams.
　
27) 3
28) 3 = 9
04) 1      = 7
21) 2 = 2
31) 3      = 6
19) 2 = 8
14) 2      = 5
33) 3 = 6
33) 3      = 9
03) 1 = 7
34) 3      = 3
29) 3 = 9
26) 3      = 9
12) 1 = 7
01) 1      = 1
22) 2 = 2
33) 3      = 6
22) 2 = 8
You can see how the 2,4,7,8 groups clumped nicely in the first stream.(6 hits in 8 groups)
They hardly said boo in the second stream.
I do excactly the same for the columns and that's what gives me 4 separate streams.
27) C
28) A = 7
04) A      = 1
21) C = 3
31) A      = 7
19) A = 1
14) B      = 2
33) C = 6
33) C      = 9
03) C = 9
34) A      = 7
29) B = 2
26) B      = 5
12) C = 6
01) A      = 7
22) A = 1
33) C      = 3
22) A = 7
The first stream did not produce much.
The second stream produced 4 hits in 6 groups.
There is nearly always one of these streams firing away with a nice steady run of 2,4,7,8.
The 2 and 4 are the best for actual betting because you are only placing one chip.
The 2 means you would be betting for the second result of the group to be either the 2nd dozen or 2nd column.
This obviously depends which one you are playing at the time.
The 4 means you would be betting for the second result of the group to be either the 1st dozen or 1st column.
The 7 means you would be betting for the second result of the group to be either the 1st dozen or 1st column.
The 8 means you would be betting for the second result of the group to be either the 2nd dozen or 2nd column.
Now obviously you would know what to bet for the second result because of what comes out in the first result of a group.
Let's say the 2,4,7,8 groups are clumping in the dozens and you want to bet.
The first result of the next group is the 1st dozen. Well you can only win on a 2. So you would back the 2nd dozen.
Let's say the first result of the next group is the 2nd dozen. You can only win on a 4. So you would back the 1st dozen.
Let's say the first result of the next group is the 3rd dozen. This is slightly different because you can now win on the 7 or 8.
So you would back the first dozen and the 2nd dozen.
Needless to say it works excactly the same way for the columns.
I will let you digest that and feel free to ask any questions.
I will post up more examples and go into more details as well.
There are ways to narrow things down further which I can go into later once the basics are understood.
　
cheers.