What I can't understand is why Advantage Players would write books or articles on the subject and post it all over the internet.

Let me give an example......

I was playing about a month ago in a land based casino and using a variation of XXXV's WF numbers.

Now I got lucky and hit 2/3 winners very quickly just playing one chip per spin.

Within the next 5/10 minutes....I had the dealer pick up my pen which was not one of the regular ones provided by the casino. He was examining it (probably looking for the hidden computer  )
Then after a dealer change, I had the pleasure of two managers coming over to the table and watching me.

Now guess what unit stake I was playing.........£1   LoL.

Yet they took it upon themselves to try and intimidate me. Anybody would think I was trying to steal the family silver!! I was only after £50-£100.

So it begs the question how are people winning tens of thousands if you are likely to attract heat playing for £1 chips if you are not scattering your chips everywhere.

I don't really buy into any of it and it's my opinion that any AP technique that is widely talked about is also pretty much redundant. Time would be better spent finding the one in a thousand casinos where you may still be able to pull something off instead of running websites talking about all this stuff.

....and that brings me to this.

Myself and a good friend of mine are using what probably could be described as an AP technique against one of the major bookmakers in the UK. We have been doing it for the last 2-3 months. All I will say is that it's a glitch in the system and I will reveal it when they fix the glitch. (Of course by that time the game will be up. But I would cut my own throat by revealing it now and the only people who would gain would be the bookmakers in question)

What's funny is going around all the different bookmakers getting paid out and you can see there is something inside the cashiers head which is saying ''hang on a minute, there is something not right here'' BUT.....they are not paid to think and just pay out with a smile (well most of them anyhow)

And there is the whole point and it does remind me of the 'black swan' because anything is possible if you have imagination and look for opportunities.

I hope no one takes this post as just a bit of bragging on my part. It's not intended as that. I am trying to convey that you should be very careful of 'Greeks bearing gifts'. The last thing any AP player would do is reveal anything that could cut into their bottom line. You better believe it!!

cheers

Quote from: Bayes on January 31, 2014, 06:52:19 PM

There are many casinos on their blacklist, including some big names like paddy power, betfred, and bet365.

That's because they still use the Spielo G2 software. This company are seriously rogue.

They used to be known as G-Tech and ran all the UK national lottery terminals as well as the scratch cards.

Camelot nearly lost their licence because of them. They were hiding a software glitch that distorted payouts to the winners for ages.

Information is slowly coming out now about the online industry with regards to RNG software and it's pretty shocking.

Here is an example....

http://apheat.net/2014/01/02/crooks-in-the-online-casino-industry/

The AP's are already on the case experimenting how to get in for free!

This one went slightly wrong! 

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''If you are ever to have even a remote chance of walking away a winner more than occasionally, you must practice what professionals call ''money management''.

Always try to get the strength out of your money.

The objectives of the philosophy are rather simple and to the point. Objective Number One, is as I've said, to control your losses while you are losing so that you have a chance to last out your unlucky drift and take advantage of a subsequent win pattern.

Objective Number Two: To win more than the amount of money you start gambling with, possibly many times more, if you are winning-and to break even or stay ahead if you lose more decisions than you win on a given night.

Sounds acceptable, doesn't it? And all you have to do to reach these two goals is:

1) Stick to a low average bet when you are losing, and....

2) Increase your wagers as soon as a winning trend is indicated.

Every professional I have ever known has followed these principles strictly. Yet few amateur or casual gamblers do. Why, I'll never know. People read up on, investigate, learn about and try to apply professional principles to everything they do with the exception of gambling, in gambling, amateurs tend to remain amateurs, though they obviously don't have to.''

one final extract to follow.... (I will do that tomorrow evening. It's the best one explaining his approach to baccarat in more detail)

''If you really want to know the truth, there are no ''secrets'' about professional gambling. They are however the 'facts of life' that many participants don't know or never spend the time to discover.

When it comes to gambling the way professionals do, there are only three basic ingredients: Knowledge, acquired skill and money management. Oh, there are a lot of little things to learn, things that time and experience will tell you. Most of these important secondary gambling adages are no more than common sense.

For example, gamble when you are well rested, and when nothing negative can cloud your mind and affect your perception, analysis and decision making. I don't think anyone should gamble who is afraid of losing. It's obvious that when your confidence is shaky your performance will be bad.

To gamble, you don't have to begin with a lot of money, but you certainly need some nerve and some courage. Because effective gambling, like accomplished skiing, sometimes requires you to go against some very basic instincts.

In gambling, the key is to control your losses and capitalize on winning streak. In other words, to lose as little as possible and win as much as possible. There are ways to accomplish this. Every professional knows these principles.

Simply stated, they consist of (1) Keeping to low average bet while you are losing and (2) doubling up almost everytime you win. Most people do just the opposite, doubling up when they are losing in a foolish attempt to get there losses back fast, and restricting themselves by becoming conservative when they begin to win. It's the old story of self-preservation. They lose and they think they must get back to a break-even point as quickly as possible. So they double up before coming into a win pattern, and what happens?

If a man has lost three or four $10 bets in a row and then begins doubling up on each of five subsequent losing bets, he will blow a total of $620 trying to get back $30 or $40. Most amateur or occasional gamblers will quit at this point, or well before it because they did not follow or were unaware of the professional principle that applies to losing streaks, or patterns.

A professional gambler rides his luck when he is winning. But you'll never see a professional bet the same amount consistently when he's winning-unless it's the house limit.''

more to follow.....

''If there is one thing I have learned about gambling, it's to recognize and respect streaks. This is true, incidentally, in all casino games.

If, for example, the cards favour the player for three consecutive decisions, then your next bet should either be player or you shouldn't bet at all! If you lose, you lose only one wager. If you bet against the trend, you can be suckered into betting and betting and betting. I have seen more fortunes lost by people who became emotionally committed to one position that went against the trend than through any other folly in gaming!

Don't buck a trend. Either swing over or don't wager. I consider three or more decisions in one direction enough to be considered a trend.''


''I have developed a certain gambling philosophy over the years. One of the basics of that philosophy is to take advantage of those times when I have a winning pattern going for me. And one of the ways I do that, take advantage of the good luck, is to keep playing.
The majority of people come into a casino and when they get lucky they quit to soon. They start out with a couple of hundred dollars, win $500 and walk out with the feeling that they have scored a tremendous victory over the casino. Those same people will come back time after time and drop $50, $100, $200 each visit, and without realizing it they still aren't ahead when they do get lucky. Because they quit playing too soon. Vegas casinos are so plush and luxurious because people don't always cut their losses but they cut their winnings!

It's easy to understand. Everybody is influenced by that old saying ''quit while you're ahead'' but they don't realize that the saying has a catch when it is applied to gambling. It's certainly a good idea to quit while you're ahead, but shouldn't you figure out what ''ahead'' really means in your case? You might be ahead for the evening, but are you ahead or even close to it as far as the whole year is concerned? and are you winning as much as you ought to be?

Most people, unfortunately, bet either the same way whether they're winning or losing, or they bet just the opposite of the way a professional gambler will. By that I mean they bet too much on each decision when they are in a losing pattern, and they bet too little when they're winning. They just don't take advantage of winning patterns that come their way.

Of course you never know when a pattern is going to change. You may be winning handsomely and then it turns around into a losing streak. But why walk away from the table until you have had some sufficient evidence that decisions are not going your way, that your win pattern has ended.

It takes nerves to play up your winnings, but think about it. What are you gambling for? If it's to win some money, why not win as much as you can? Pressing your bets when winning is the hallmark of every professional I have ever known. The casino need have no fear of the person who wins and continues his conservative wagering. The dangerous player is the one who presses (raises his bets) when he is winning.
In Vegas they have an expression about some high rollers that goes like this: ''You've got to watch him. He presses when he is winning and if you're not careful, he'll write you a new address!''

Most people will say ''what if you don't win on the third or fourth try?'' Well that's always possible. So you lose what? Only winnings, not your original bankroll. And isn't it worth risking money you've just won from a casino when you have the chance to win ten to twelve times as much betting the professional way?''

more to follow...... I have to type this out.. 

I have recently finished reading a book called 'Renzoni on Baccarat'

It was published some 41 years ago and there is no system/strategy as such. However there is certainly a lot of common sense and sound advice. It can apply to all table games and so I am going to put up some extracts from the book.

Renzoni took the game of Baccarat from Cuba over to Vegas where the game was first introduced at the Sands Hotel. Renzoni is said to have witnessed between 10 and 20 million Baccarat decisions in his 40 years as a professional.

I like the 'mongoose' as well. It is probably the easiest MM strategy in the book to learn and that's why the others never really get talked about much IMO.

There is the following in order....

1) The Perfect Unit
2) The Pit Bull
3) The Bricklayer's Wall
4) The Boxer
5) The Mongoose
6) The Hammer
7) The T-Square

They range from conservative to aggressive and some of the above have an advanced version as well.

The 2nd's and 3rd's idea could be used with any of the MM plans above.

I will go through them all this year plus other interesting aspects from the book.

cheers

Hello Bayes,

It can be hard to get hold of and the copies in circulation are likely dwindling. I found one on ebay and it cost around £100 including P+P....but I can say it's worth it.

You buy a book for £15-£20 and the author could have written the system on a postcard....the other 95 pages are covered with such valuable information like the casinos have no clocks on the walls and it's best not to drink while playing, lol.

The 'Future Gambler' is packed from beginning to end with 'no waffle' insightful gaming information. So I consider it a bargain really for what I paid and there is probably no need to buy any more books. This one will keep me busy for a while.

cheers

Hello Warrior

The 2nd's refers to a second consecutive hit of an E.C. and the 3rd's refers to a third consecutive hit of an E.C.
Any hit of the same E.C. after the 3rd's does not count in the example I posted.

So taking those Black numbers again.....

33 is the first number and it's black. So now I am waiting to see if Black makes a second appearance on the next spin. If it does, I put a W (win) in the 2nd's column. If it doesn't come out on the next spin, I put a L (loss) in the 2nd's column.

The next number out was 26 Black. So it gets a W in the 2nd's column.

Now I am waiting to see what the next number is. If it's Black, that's a third consecutive hit and I will put a W (win) in the 3rd's column. If it's not Black, I will put a L (loss) in the 3rd's column.

The next number out was 26 Black. So it gets a W in the 3rd's column.

Now it doesn't matter if there are another 3 consecutive Black numbers. They don't get recorded. Because I am not looking for 4th's, 5th's or 6th's.

I repeat the same process for all 3 E.C's...but nothing stopping anybody just playing 1 or 2.

My example came from the first batch of numbers that I found and I suppose in hindsight doesn't really show the benefits of tracking in this way. So here is another example of 2nd's and 3rd's which should give a clearer picture. Let's assume I am tracking Black in this example and the first column is the 2nd's and the second column is the 3rd's.

1) L
2) W  L
3) W  W
4) L
5) L
6) W  L
7) W  L
8} W  W
9) W  W
10) L
11) W  W
12) L
13) L
14) W  W
15) L
16) L
17) W  W
18} L
19) L
20) W  W
21) L
22) L
23) W  W

So looking at 8} to 23) you can see that there was 11 wins and 12 losses for the 2nd's. However there was a straight 7 wins for the 3rd's. This is really the whole point behind the operation. You are using different streams (ie....2nd's + 3rd's) to look for the strongest trends to follow.

I hope that helps. 

This idea of the 2nd's + 3rd's comes from a brilliant gambling book called 'The Future Gambler' by Craig Greiner.
It is a real eye opener and covered from page to page with original concepts.

Surprisingly it was published in 1995....I have never really seen any of this books ideas mentioned apart from the Mongoose progression. However, there are stacks more original MM plans and the author really gives some brilliant insights on variance and how to attack it. The ideas in this particular book could be a great Launchpad for anyone who likes to create their own strategies.

Anyway...enough of the plug, lol. I will share some of the ideas and how I have twisted them on this blog as time permits.

cheers

Quote from: esoito on January 27, 2014, 11:04:52 PM

[I've cancelled the flowers!  ]

Hello esoito!

If they are plastic, keep them on hold!     

Here is another sheet with the same numbers converted to dozens and columns.

The 2nd's in Column C are suffering from 'single-itis'.

Hello 

I would like to share the idea of 2nd's + 3rd's here.

There is an Excel sheet at the bottom with an example using Black/Red and Low/High.

I will use the Black numbers in the sheet to give an example....

What I am tracking for is to see if a Black number goes to 2 hits and then goes on to 3 hits.

33
26
26
31
33
8

There are 6 consecutive black numbers there and so I put a W for both the 2nd's and the 3rd's.

The next black numbers....

29
13

Now there are only 2 black numbers there. So I put a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.

Next up...

8

Only 1 black number there. So an L goes in the 2nd's and I can't put anything in the 3rd's.

Next up...

29
24

2 black numbers. So a W in the 2nd's and an L in the 3rd's.

What I am playing close attention at is the W's and L's in the 2nd's + 3rd's.

It's possible to get a run of L's in the 2nd's.....BUT.....a run of W's in the 3rd's. This would happen if you got runs of just either 1 black and runs of 3+ blacks.

Charting all three E.C's (Black/Red, Low/High, Odd/Even) is the way to go.

A tracker would do the job OR you could just skip a spin or two in a B+M casino to give you time to track everything.

Of course....you could track 2nd's, 3rd's + 4th's and even use this idea for dozens and columns.

It is just another way to look for betting the W's OR L's depending on what's happening in the 2nd's and 3rd's.

cheers.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 01, 2014, 06:22:36 AM
If PP exists, then I should be able to have an idea at one table, and walk to another and continue my PP.


........very interesting!

Hello Sam,

consider this.....

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Let's take the first 37 consecutive numbers.

19
15
5
5
26
29
26
27
30
31
11
20
16
27
35
2
17
25
20
14
35
4
31
23
14
3
0
12
28
35
29
36
34
36
12
23
34

There are 25/37 original numbers in that lot.

Now let's start at the top and skip a spin every time.....

19
5
26
26
30
11
16
35
17
20
35
31
14
0
28
29
34
12
34
3
36
8
36
19
26
10
3
8
6
24
28
5
21
35
15
34
14

There are 24/37 original numbers in that lot.

Now suppose you were sitting at the bar in a casino enjoying a rum and coke and I came up and showed you the two cards from above.

Would you be able to tell me which card was showing consecutive spins and which card was showing every second spin?

Of course not!!

You can take every second spin, every fifth spin....it makes no difference.

How can it help?

It allows you to play several strategies at the same time and not to be under pressure by the dealer spinning so fast that you end up making costly mistakes.

cheers

Quote from: esoito on December 14, 2013, 11:09:04 PM
I'm biting my tongue over the 'ball drop' thing. I was wondering why my voice is so high.

I am just waiting on Mr J with one of his cough, cough posts.