Quote from: wannawin on December 08, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
The trouble is that learning through play for real money costs

That's true Walter, however,I find that's also when you get a lesson in reality regarding your style of play.

I have been messing about with RX the last few days just to see if anything jumps off the page rather than specifically looking for something.

So I put in 7 numbers and just watched the swings in balance as they went up and down.

The balance can be +6,000 one minute and then -5,000 a hundred or so spins later. You can start to get a feel for when it's going to plummet and when it is just holding it's own or on the rise.

We are only limited by our own imagination in this game and there are many ways that you can group numbers together and come up with all kinds of different framework to use for analysis. But I do believe you will see the same swings and roundabouts as I mentioned above. The trick then is just to wait and watch. Dip your toe in the water when you see an event happening with a greater degree of frequency.

Money management also plays an important part. Once again, you can use your imagination. Positive, negative, parlays, regression. Is there an optimal way to bet for the situation you find yourself in.

I think one of the biggest mistakes we make is to think in terms of just a one dimensional approach regarding bet selection and money management. Where a more fluid and dynamic approach goes hand in hand with the nature of the game we are trying to conquer.

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I had a conversation with a friend on this subject the other night.

What does 'you will never beat roulette' actually mean?

Here are my thoughts....

Yes...the E/C's and all the other betting locations will always confirm to probability.

It is impossible to know what is coming out next. You can only make an educated guess.

...and there lies the answer IMO.

All you have to learn to do is correctly guess more decisions right than you guess wrong and you can win.

So using a simple example....

RRRRRBBBBB

5 reds and 5 blacks as probability dictates.

Now what's to stop someone guessing 3/5 of those reds and 3/5 of those blacks consistently.

It can be done! In fact...it is been done!

That's it....no magic...no smoke and mirrors. Just good old fashioned guessing.

Sounds simple eh?  Well it's not and you might never achieve it. BUT.....that doesn't mean others can't do it.I can't run 100 metres in 10 seconds (especially after the lovely Chinese takeaway I just ate) But I know someone who can.


There are a lot of people who spend all their time testing and have no real life casino experience to talk about.

There are a lot of people who believe everything they read and never question anything for themselves.

If you want to teach yourself to win, you have to get your hands dirty and put in the hard work.

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Well I can't disagree with what you are saying esoito.

Luckily the BGO casino did not ask for any ID....but no doubt they ran some checks and I am already in the system.

I get lazy in the winter and play more online. So I am always on the lookout for any new places to see what promotions they have going. But you can't really beat the land casinos where you can just roll up and collect your winnings there and then without all this verification malarkey if you get lucky.

I have had some horror stories with Betfair and Betfred in the past. So it's definately not all smooth sailing with these online outfits.

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Hello Guys

This casino has opened up using the dublinbet live feed.

https://www.viewcasino.com/

The good thing about them if you live in the UK is that you can play in £ (pounds) and your money does not get converted into euros and then back to £ (pounds) when you make a withdrawal.

I am pretty certain that anybody who already has an account at dublinbet would qualify for the 50% cashback on their first deposit as well.

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Roulette Player

It's possible that Stetson might be 'brown bread' by now! 

I reckon that PDF must be around 20 years old at least.

I tried to attatch a copy but it's not having it.

Shoot me a PM if you would like a copy. But basically it is just to continually raise 1 unit on a win or loss and reset back to 1 unit when you are in front.

Thinking about it sensibly....It can't be right betting sometimes 50%+ of your bankroll on the one decision.


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Well.....the game is up!! 

This well and truly hit the skids.

A highest bet of 77 units! 

All roads lead back to the 'Kelly method' assuming you have a bet selection with an edge.

So I suppose that I should have expected this to bust out. But it's always better to find these things out for yourself and then you don't need to go back to them.

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Next game:

The highest bet placed this time was 11 units.

I am going to keep testing in batches of 100 spins. I figure that's the way I would play it.

It will be interesting to see how far ahead I can get before a loss of the 500 bank on RX.

So far.....

Game 1. +59  highest bet placed = 20.
Game 2. +50  highest bet placed = 16.
Game 3. +56  highest bet placed = 61.
Game 4. +53  highest bet placed = 11.

Total = +218.  Worst drawdown from 500 bank = 144 units.

(my plan would probably be to take a 100 unit loss in a game. So game 3 above would be a wipeout. However I would still be +62 ahead from the other three winning games.)

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Roulette Player

Considering it was a rough set of spins for DBL...your idea did not hold up too bad.

There were very few chances to bet 2 units in the second half of the game.

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The next 100 spins was one of those games where you would need to bring a fresh set of clothes 

Losing strings of 5, 6 and 8 were littered through these set of spins.

The highest bet placed was 61 units.

But it did recover in just a few spins!

(I will see if I can replay the string using Roulette Player's idea)

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Hello Roulette Player

Thanks for the further suggestions. I did not save the numbers and so won't be able to replay them.

however....when I get some time later today...I will test another set of spins with the different set of ideas and see how it goes.

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Quote from: esoito on December 07, 2013, 06:19:27 AM


I expect to lose the lot because the BVNZ software will ensure that will happen by rigging the numbers.

esoito

Would you care to give your opinion on how they will do this taking the 'randomness control' feature into account.

It seems to me that the only thing they can do is send a 'rogue' set of spins in the beginning and not interfere once you are playing through the string.

I think it bugs a lot of us. 

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I played another 100 spins and the highest bet placed was 16 units.

There were a couple of occasions when your idea (Roulette Player) saved me!

I like this progression with the bet selection. You could do worse if you had 100 units to have a flutter with.

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Thank you for the suggestion Roulette Player.

Those 'terrible two's' have a nasty habit of creeping up on a player.

I like DBL...it handles streaks and chops ok, and throwing your idea into the mix can only help improve things.

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Just messing around with RX and thought I would test this progression with DBL (decision before last) on the E/C's.

The progression itself is simple....+1 on a win or loss until you reach a new high.

It always seems to go well when I give it a quick blast.

The danger with DBL would be a string of 'terrible two's' alternating.

This quick test did reach a 20 unit bet once! It needs a decent B/R and a strong constitution!

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Here it is Sputnik