A good way is to grab a few spins from here and there and then it becomes your own personal permanence.

It's a bit of a pain but goes some way to achieving what you are suggesting esoito.

You could take spins from...

Spielbank..Dublinbet..Smartlive..Betvoyager..Random.org etc..and the Italian roulette website has a gazillion spins from different casinos. (it's actually 7,527,056) 

http://www.laroulette.it/risorse/permanenzimetro/folder_listing

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Hello akuq

To win consistently...the most important aspect is to learn not to lose (much) and let the wins take care of themself. Be that 5%..10% or whatever.

10% of a bankroll is not a small amount. I would find it near impossible to consistently win 10%. It is a nice thought....but I think anybody would be setting themself up for failure and doing serious damage to their bankroll if this was the benchmark every game.

Accept small wins and break even games as all part of the process and you can do well.

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This site discusses a few of the AP plays that you would likely find in the 'Beyond Counting' notes.

The Dragon side bet on Baccarat which gives the player a small edge in optimal conditions is an interesting article.

http://apheat.net/2012/08/12/card-counting-the-dragon-bonus-baccarat-side-bet/

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UPDATE...

I  withdrew my winnings several days ago and received them today.

They did not even ask me to produce any documents which was cool.

So a 3 day turnaround is not that bad really.

Definately one to put on the 'approved' list. I also noticed a lot of good remarks on the 'casinomeister' forum and they have a rep there who seems pretty helpful.

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Deposited £10 for a 200% bonus.

So £30 to play on slots.

I hit this little beauty on a 0.40p stake [smiley]aes/money.png[/smiley]


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My apologies Warrior!

Quote from: XXVV on November 25, 2013, 10:03:06 PM




Nevertheless it is on my bookshelf because of the compressed wisdom therein in spite of its shortcomings.

Hello XXVV

That is the best aspect of the book. It is obviously written by someone who has a good understanding of casinos.

I also like the quotes from famous people to start each chapter.

In fact....the best quote in my opinion is from David Sklansky.

''The pro knows to play by the month rather than by the day''

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2 of the main reasons why I would not play this for real money.

1) I don't like methods that don't include the 0/00 (apart from as a hedge bet)

The 0/00 comprises of 2.7% the same as any other number on the wheel.

Any method is leaving itself open to attack by ignoring the 0/00.

I don't buy all this hedge the 0/00 nonsense. What if I am playing black and the 27/30 split starts appearing?
Do I start hedging the 27/30. Where does it end?


2) I don't like a method that tries to predict what's coming up in 10 spins time.

Let's say you are betting B after the qualification process.

The next 5 numbers are.....

15
31
16
5
13*

ok....so now you are in business betting B for the next 3 spins.

This process could have covered 13 spins from start to finish.

IMO, you can't claim an edge by predicting 10+ spins in advance using a mechanical method.

You might as well tell me what next week's lottery numbers are.

An edge is more likely to be achieved on a spin by spin basis IMO.


These are just my reasons why I would not play this method with real cash.

Don't let that put you off from testing or playing it.

It was 30 units up after 1,500 spins (not 1,500 placed bets) So this in no way represents any large testing data.

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Sputnik

I have tested 1,500 spins in total on a single 0 wheel!

It is slightly ahead. I won't be playing it for real money.

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This is where it unravels.


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-19 in these 8 games.

A few double losses and wins on the third attempt clustering together will put you in a hole using a progression. It's bad enough flat betting.

So I am done with this one.

A nice try..... no 7% edge flat betting as claimed IMO.

Bally's rating......4/10. (There are a few good anecdotes in the book)

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 25, 2013, 03:47:49 PM
Bally

In the book I have, he absolutely does use a progression, so there must be a new edition.

Sam

Sam

He does offer up different strategies for playing his 3Q/A in Chapter 3.

I am just testing it flat because he is claiming an edge.


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Quote from: Number Six on November 25, 2013, 03:34:04 PM
But, the numbers are irrelevant, right?

There's no reason those groups will hit at a rate equivalent to a 7% edge.

Here is the thing Number Six,

Let's amuse ourselves for a minute and say Spike actually did have some kind of edge on the E/C's.

So I go to the casino and watch him play and he hits more E/C's right than the guy next to him flipping a coin.

BUT....he doesn't tell me how he does it! (fat chance)

So maybe there is a method to the madness. (but I honestly doubt it in this case....however.....I wouldn't necessarily discount it in all cases) Otherwise we are all just wasting our time and I certainly don't think that.

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Don't take this the wrong way guys.....but we can we keep on topic.

This particular method is not a 'two dozen's method'.

It's either 2 six-lines = 12 numbers.

or

3 quads = 12 numbers.

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I ran it on to the finish!

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Game 8. = +3.

Game 9. = break even.

Game 10. = +3.

Game 11. = +2.

Game 12. = +6.

Total = 11 games played from 12 (1 not qualified)  +25.


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I decided to run this day on a bit more because it shows a lot of the rules in operation.

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Game 1. = -3.

Game 2. Does not qualify hence the X. (The A has come out consecutively)

Game 3. It's 2 each and then A appears. Play B. = +6.

Game 4. = -3.

Game 5. = +2.

Game 6. = +3.

Game 7. I made a mistake. It does qualify and you would play B after the 20. = +6.

Here is a screenshot of how I am testing it.

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One thing I noticed....

In this game, A has appeared twice and B once. So you would be betting for B after the next B trigger.

However A is the dominant one and it appears in 7 of the next 8 spins after the 5 spin qualification process. I don't like betting against what the wheel is throwing up and Ellison kind of contradicts himself because he talks earlier on the book about not going against the wheel. 


p.s.

In the pic above....

Orange = A
Green = B

The circled number starts the attack.

This attack went to the second game and resulted in a loss of 3 units.