2 of the main reasons why I would not play this for real money.

1) I don't like methods that don't include the 0/00 (apart from as a hedge bet)

The 0/00 comprises of 2.7% the same as any other number on the wheel.

Any method is leaving itself open to attack by ignoring the 0/00.

I don't buy all this hedge the 0/00 nonsense. What if I am playing black and the 27/30 split starts appearing?
Do I start hedging the 27/30. Where does it end?


2) I don't like a method that tries to predict what's coming up in 10 spins time.

Let's say you are betting B after the qualification process.

The next 5 numbers are.....

15
31
16
5
13*

ok....so now you are in business betting B for the next 3 spins.

This process could have covered 13 spins from start to finish.

IMO, you can't claim an edge by predicting 10+ spins in advance using a mechanical method.

You might as well tell me what next week's lottery numbers are.

An edge is more likely to be achieved on a spin by spin basis IMO.


These are just my reasons why I would not play this method with real cash.

Don't let that put you off from testing or playing it.

It was 30 units up after 1,500 spins (not 1,500 placed bets) So this in no way represents any large testing data.

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Sputnik

I have tested 1,500 spins in total on a single 0 wheel!

It is slightly ahead. I won't be playing it for real money.

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This is where it unravels.


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-19 in these 8 games.

A few double losses and wins on the third attempt clustering together will put you in a hole using a progression. It's bad enough flat betting.

So I am done with this one.

A nice try..... no 7% edge flat betting as claimed IMO.

Bally's rating......4/10. (There are a few good anecdotes in the book)

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 25, 2013, 03:47:49 PM
Bally

In the book I have, he absolutely does use a progression, so there must be a new edition.

Sam

Sam

He does offer up different strategies for playing his 3Q/A in Chapter 3.

I am just testing it flat because he is claiming an edge.


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Quote from: Number Six on November 25, 2013, 03:34:04 PM
But, the numbers are irrelevant, right?

There's no reason those groups will hit at a rate equivalent to a 7% edge.

Here is the thing Number Six,

Let's amuse ourselves for a minute and say Spike actually did have some kind of edge on the E/C's.

So I go to the casino and watch him play and he hits more E/C's right than the guy next to him flipping a coin.

BUT....he doesn't tell me how he does it! (fat chance)

So maybe there is a method to the madness. (but I honestly doubt it in this case....however.....I wouldn't necessarily discount it in all cases) Otherwise we are all just wasting our time and I certainly don't think that.

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Don't take this the wrong way guys.....but we can we keep on topic.

This particular method is not a 'two dozen's method'.

It's either 2 six-lines = 12 numbers.

or

3 quads = 12 numbers.

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I ran it on to the finish!

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Game 8. = +3.

Game 9. = break even.

Game 10. = +3.

Game 11. = +2.

Game 12. = +6.

Total = 11 games played from 12 (1 not qualified)  +25.


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I decided to run this day on a bit more because it shows a lot of the rules in operation.

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Game 1. = -3.

Game 2. Does not qualify hence the X. (The A has come out consecutively)

Game 3. It's 2 each and then A appears. Play B. = +6.

Game 4. = -3.

Game 5. = +2.

Game 6. = +3.

Game 7. I made a mistake. It does qualify and you would play B after the 20. = +6.

Here is a screenshot of how I am testing it.

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One thing I noticed....

In this game, A has appeared twice and B once. So you would be betting for B after the next B trigger.

However A is the dominant one and it appears in 7 of the next 8 spins after the 5 spin qualification process. I don't like betting against what the wheel is throwing up and Ellison kind of contradicts himself because he talks earlier on the book about not going against the wheel. 


p.s.

In the pic above....

Orange = A
Green = B

The circled number starts the attack.

This attack went to the second game and resulted in a loss of 3 units.

Sam, I am pretty certain he did update the book unless I am thinking of Lee Tutor's book, lol.

Anyway....I tested 1000 spins at Spielbank Wiesbaden on a single 0 wheel and it's up 60 units.

What I did was just go across the card using the first 20 spins from each column.

I was impressed by the winning streaks it threw up.  There were several days where it won or broke even on all 12/15 games.

Where it breaks down is when you get the double loss (6 units) in a game and the other games start winning on the third spin meaning you break even.

Remember....Ellison is claiming a flat bet advantage, so I am not using any kind of progression and I think that would be too dangerous anyhow when those double losses clump which they have a tendency to do.

I will test it some more today and see what happens!

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I was having a look at this one tonight as it is a new one to me.

They have Live Dealer games from Macau with minimum bet of £1.

You get 20 free spins on the slots for signing up.

They also give you a 200% match bonus on your initial deposit plus a further 180 free spins. (20 a day over 9 days)

What I like about the 200% bonus is that it only comes with a x5 wagering requirement. This is pretty much unheard of today. (unfortunately the bonus does not apply to roulette)

I watched the Live Roulette for 20 minutes or so and the wheel has no scatter on it like the dublinbet wheels. It threw up a lot of repeats and neighbours in the time I watched it. I didn't get kicked out for just viewing either.

They don't accept U.S. players.....but it looks ok for the European guys. 

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 24, 2013, 09:50:51 PM

By the way, it is for the 00 wheel only.  I can show you that in the book.  It's in the letters at the end.

What page is that on Sam?

On page 228 where he talks about the 'Business plan'....

He mentions gathering data for both the European and American wheel.

''Then, you need to gather table data from the roulette version  (European vs. American) you expect to play.''

This suggests it is playable on both.

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p.s. Just thinking about it and not having a go at you Sam....but it would be ridicuous for him to suggest the method is only suitable for 00. If anything....he should be imploring players to look for the single 0 wheel when playing this. His 7% might hold up a bit longer. [smiley]aes/wink.png[/smiley]

Here are a few example games:

Quote from: weddings on November 24, 2013, 03:46:04 PM
any reason why he choose those selections at A and B? Also will it be the same selection for european roulette?

Hello weddings

No! There is no reason given for the selections.

Yes! It applies to both single 0 and 00 roulette.


The few extra rules to throw into the mix are as follows.....

Let's say you don't have either a dominant A or B after 5 spins...

Then continue to note the results and when either A or B wins for the first time...Then that qualifies the other one. (remember to wait for the trigger)

Here is the other important rule and which leads to a table not qualifying....

The A or B that you are going to bet on must NOT have come up in two consecutive spins during the qualification process.

and the last one.....

Let's say the 5th spin in the qualification process is the B and that's what you are going to bet on (B) If it did not also appear on the previous spin, you do not need to wait for another B as the trigger. Start betting on the B now.

That's it guys!

I am away to test it now.

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This is my interpretation of the method...

You will have 2 groups of numbers. Let's call them A and B.

A = The 1-6 sixline and the 31-36 sixline.

B = The 10,11,13,14 quad, the 17,18,20,21 quad and the 25,26,28,29 quad.

Now what you need to do is go up to the marquee and look at the last 5 numbers.

22
7
11
33
3 (the last number)

Put in either the A or B marking where appropriate.....

22
7
11  B
33  A
3    A

Now you look to see if either the A or B is dominant.

In this case the A is dominant with a ratio of 2:1.

So you will play the opposite of the dominant (which was A) and play B.

However you will not start playing for B until you see another appearance of the B.

When B does make another appearance...play it for 3 spins.

Quit on a win or quit after 3 losses.

Let's see what happens...

22
7
11   B
33   A
3     A  (B is the qualifier)
--
11   B (This triggers the bet)
32   L
35   L
30   L (Stop here after 3 losses)

What you would do now is wait for another B to qualify and this re-triggers the bet for a further 3 spins.

33
28   B (This re-triggers the bet)
28   W (Stop here on a win)

What you do now is move to a new table and start the whole process again.

Like I said, it's not that complicated. There are a few extra rules that I will add in the next post.

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