http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Thought I would mention this here as well.

Also known as the 80/20 rule.


I notice it a lot in sport as well. A football team may score two goals very close together or a rugby team puts 20 points on the opposition in the space of 15-20 minutes.

Can it apply to roulette?

There are times you could be playing two dozens using a progression and lose your shirt. Is the casino enjoying it's 80/20 moment?

Other times....you could be betting just 4-8 numbers and hitting every other spin!


Many professional horseplayers have said that their winnings tend to come in spells and at other times they could not back a winner to save their life.

So what would be the key elements to try and take advantage?

Patience

Awareness

Does it then suggest that attempting to pinpoint these 80/20 spells and use some type of positive MM approach will be much more effective in the long run than using a negative progression during lean spells looking to recoup losses quickly?

It would also raise the question of why some people don't consider 'hit and run' tactics effective. Why would anyone not want to quit with a profit if the windows of opportunity are short?



It is certainly food for thought and I am just throwing out there to get some opinions.

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This progression is great! It's not like you have to use it every spin either. You might play two sides of a bet and can use it on the side that is hotting up throwing out consecutive wins hoping for it to continue.

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cheers

I do have one idea for an approach after reading a few pages in Martin Blakey's book regarding hot numbers.

His suggestion was to look for 3 appearances in 11 spins.

My research into that found that a win would come quite often on the 11th spin after a qualifier on the 10th spin.

example...

23
7
33
18
19
24
35
11
8
23* qualifier!
23

I was surprised how often this happened.

Sometimes the worst thing that can happen is to get the qualifier straight away and then not get a hit.

like....

23
23* qualifier
11
19
33
7
0
9
27
15
28


So the approach would be to wait for the end of the third cycle when not many numbers have appeared 5 times and then hope for a correction. It could prove costly to jump on board any numbers that have appeared 4 times at the beginning of the third cycle hoping they quickly mature into 5+.

How many times have you had someone turn around to you in a casino moaning that their numbers started coming up once they ran out of chips.  I wish I had a pound for each one!

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Here we go!!

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So it does look like we can count most of the time on at least 5 numbers appearing 5 times or more by the end of the third cycle (111 spins)

I will try and do a few every day and then it should give a good idea as to what is happening.

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So just as an example going on these few stats.....

There is an average of 5 numbers that have hit 5 or more times after 111 spins.

This thread will throw out some stats for Hot Numbers in the hope that it might inspire some fresh ideas.

I am going to do the stats in 3 cycles of 37 spins.

So I will have results at the 37, 74 and 111 spin mark.

What I am wanting to find out is the average for things like.....

how many times does the hottest number appear.

how many numbers don't appear  etc....

It will hopefully build up a profile to use as a framework when coming up with new ideas.

Any suggestions are welcome. 

Quote from: Pockets on October 14, 2013, 10:24:42 AM

  The biggest battle you have to do in roulette is the battle of your own mind. It is very hard to win that battle. You have tried transferring that battle to the wheel, by betting on multiple locations and the win or loss on one location controlling the totall number of units on the other location.

That is a very insightful way of looking at it Pockets! I never really thought of it like that. But of course....you are right!

We mostly beat ourselves at the roulette table. Thank you for your suggestion. [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]

few more spins....

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It is unusual to lose all 5 bets and any kind of run can quickly produce a new high!

Anyway, I will stop with this here. Anyone who wants to test it will do so. I don't want to distract from the thread.

But it would be good for others to share their ideas and maybe we can harvest our own CWB.

cheers

Thanks esoito

I don't expect what I mentioned to be an exact carbon copy of the 'CEH' bet. However I did try to follow the gist of it.

This idea does not seem that bad on the limited testing I have done.

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This one is just a brief test I did this morning before I head off to the casino.

I completed several longer tests yesterday and all but one showed a decent return with no scary drawdowns.

The losing session was a grind. (-50 units in 200 spins)

cheers

Quote from: HansHuckebein on October 13, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
I'm afraid no because it needs a progression.

cheers

hans

Yes...but the increase is only on winning bets looking to trap a run.


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The next number out is 9 RED, ODD, LOW, 1ST DOZEN, 3RD COLUMN.

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This does not take the game into a new profit.

So once again, add a chip to all winning bets and replace all losing bets with what is currently showing.

The next number out was 3 RED, ODD, LOW, 1ST DOZEN, 3RD COLUMN.

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This takes the current game into a profit.

'CEH' did explain on his pages that the bet was simple and he warned not to get caught up on all the 'patterns' nonsense.

Maybe what I am showing here is a step in the right direction.

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The next number out is 16 RED, EVEN, LOW, 2ND DOZEN, 1ST COLUMN.

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Place 1 chip on all these locations.

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The next number out was 11 BLACK, ODD, LOW, 1ST DOZEN, 2ND COLUMN.

That was a loss of 3 units and so what you would do now is to add a chip to any winning bet and replace all the losing bets with 1 chip on what is currently showing.

I had a read through the w3million pages again this morning just to see if anything grabbed my attention.

Here is something that kind of fits the bill and I have not really seen it mentioned anywhere before.

So the first number out is 4 BLACK, EVEN, LOW, 1ST DOZEN, 1ST COLUMN.

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Place 1 chip on all these locations.

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The next number out was 11 BLACK, ODD, LOW, 1ST DOZEN, 2ND COLUMN.

That's a profit of 2 units and now you would reset and go again.

Quote from: Tomla on October 11, 2013, 02:28:14 PM
ok my new guess is that there is some correlation to betting a dozen or a column depending on what the 3 ec's are doing?

This is what I was just thinking as well!

Maybe we could add a list of any clues we can think about and then keep adding any new ones we find.

Ending on 2 wins seems like an important clue to me. It makes it sound like the bet is very streaky. The MM techniques which CH suggested would also validate this.

If we are looking to trap a bet and watch the carpet movements.....then I think the LOW / HIGH may play an important role in the bet. I can't imagine the RED / BLACK or ODD / EVEN as meaning much if it is something combined with the DOZENS / COLUMNS.

LoL....maybe the clue was in the name 'CH'.  HIGH and COLUMN C.   Who knows?

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