Quote from: Bally6354 on October 17, 2013, 01:47:25 PM



I notice it a lot in sport as well. A football team may score two goals very close together.

like this.....

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and this.....

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It happens a lot!

Australia put on around 18 points in the last 10-15 minutes of the first half this afternoon in the Rugby League World Cup!

That's why discipline and concentration are so important when you are playing a game like roulette where the casino enjoy the edge. A strong adversary can defeat you or wipe out your bankroll quickly.

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It's more likely to be the Eastern European type with the Barbie Girl dealers.....

''do you have a favourite book player''

Now the last thing you are thinking when you are doing your brains in playing the latest fandangled progression is what was the name of that book you just couldn't put down. [smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]

''It is random player...please don't use bad language''

Of course it is! 

I can only go 10-15 minutes of that before I go back to DB, LoL.

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on October 22, 2013, 11:14:15 PM


Perhaps you could you start by defining "flat bet"?

Flat betting remains a bit of a grey area with many opinions as to what it actually means.


Some exaamples;

A) 1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1, etc.
B) 1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2.1.2, etc.
C) 1.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.1.2.2.2, etc.
D) 1.2.1.3.1.2.1.3.1.2.1.3, etc.
E) 1.2.3.4.5.1.2.3.4.5.1.2.3.4.5, etc.
F) 1.4.3.4.1.2.1.2.4.3.1.4.3.4.1.4.1.4.3.1.2.1.2.4.1, etc.


Which of the above would be considered flat betting?

In my opinion, they all are.

Not to put words in your mouth MBB.......

But are you saying...

''In the long run, any progression is simply a set of many different levels of flat bets'' (courtesy of Imspirit)

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Quote from: Turner on October 22, 2013, 10:01:32 PM
its like another world than UK.....Im shocked.

And that's just at the bingo!!

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LoL...

Yes, this place needs a bit of humour from time to time. Roulette is just a game!

http://youtu.be/CDuebLakCqc

I was trying to think of ways to take advantage of this 80/20 rule and I remembered what a guy wrote on a now defunct Baccarat forum. He used to look for guys who were losing steadily and would then bet against them.

You would think he would find a lot of opportunities. It might not have made him very popular however.

I always remember a book I read by Andy Beyer called 'The Winning Horseplayer' and he bet in the exotic pools just going for that one big shot and he collected something decent every year which more than made up for his losses.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Thought I would mention this here as well.

Also known as the 80/20 rule.


I notice it a lot in sport as well. A football team may score two goals very close together or a rugby team puts 20 points on the opposition in the space of 15-20 minutes.

Can it apply to roulette?

There are times you could be playing two dozens using a progression and lose your shirt. Is the casino enjoying it's 80/20 moment?

Other times....you could be betting just 4-8 numbers and hitting every other spin!


Many professional horseplayers have said that their winnings tend to come in spells and at other times they could not back a winner to save their life.

So what would be the key elements to try and take advantage?

Patience

Awareness

Does it then suggest that attempting to pinpoint these 80/20 spells and use some type of positive MM approach will be much more effective in the long run than using a negative progression during lean spells looking to recoup losses quickly?

It would also raise the question of why some people don't consider 'hit and run' tactics effective. Why would anyone not want to quit with a profit if the windows of opportunity are short?



It is certainly food for thought and I am just throwing out there to get some opinions.

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This progression is great! It's not like you have to use it every spin either. You might play two sides of a bet and can use it on the side that is hotting up throwing out consecutive wins hoping for it to continue.

a few more....


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I do have one idea for an approach after reading a few pages in Martin Blakey's book regarding hot numbers.

His suggestion was to look for 3 appearances in 11 spins.

My research into that found that a win would come quite often on the 11th spin after a qualifier on the 10th spin.

example...

23
7
33
18
19
24
35
11
8
23* qualifier!
23

I was surprised how often this happened.

Sometimes the worst thing that can happen is to get the qualifier straight away and then not get a hit.

like....

23
23* qualifier
11
19
33
7
0
9
27
15
28


So the approach would be to wait for the end of the third cycle when not many numbers have appeared 5 times and then hope for a correction. It could prove costly to jump on board any numbers that have appeared 4 times at the beginning of the third cycle hoping they quickly mature into 5+.

How many times have you had someone turn around to you in a casino moaning that their numbers started coming up once they ran out of chips.  I wish I had a pound for each one!

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Here we go!!

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So it does look like we can count most of the time on at least 5 numbers appearing 5 times or more by the end of the third cycle (111 spins)

I will try and do a few every day and then it should give a good idea as to what is happening.

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So just as an example going on these few stats.....

There is an average of 5 numbers that have hit 5 or more times after 111 spins.

This thread will throw out some stats for Hot Numbers in the hope that it might inspire some fresh ideas.

I am going to do the stats in 3 cycles of 37 spins.

So I will have results at the 37, 74 and 111 spin mark.

What I am wanting to find out is the average for things like.....

how many times does the hottest number appear.

how many numbers don't appear  etc....

It will hopefully build up a profile to use as a framework when coming up with new ideas.

Any suggestions are welcome. 

Quote from: Pockets on October 14, 2013, 10:24:42 AM

  The biggest battle you have to do in roulette is the battle of your own mind. It is very hard to win that battle. You have tried transferring that battle to the wheel, by betting on multiple locations and the win or loss on one location controlling the totall number of units on the other location.

That is a very insightful way of looking at it Pockets! I never really thought of it like that. But of course....you are right!

We mostly beat ourselves at the roulette table. Thank you for your suggestion. [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]

few more spins....

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It is unusual to lose all 5 bets and any kind of run can quickly produce a new high!

Anyway, I will stop with this here. Anyone who wants to test it will do so. I don't want to distract from the thread.

But it would be good for others to share their ideas and maybe we can harvest our own CWB.

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