Not to be confused with 'three men and a baby' although you could be left holding the baby with this one! [smiley]blacy/blacy-grimace.png[/smiley]

The idea came to me the other day when I was reading the Star Progression PDF.

It is pretty simple really. You pick 2 dozens and are hoping (praying) one of them repeats to win the parlay bet.

Like the STAR, you could use a gentle up as you lose progression.

So the first few steps...

1) 1-3-9
2) 2-6-18
3) 3-9-27 etc...

Now here is a sequence of dozens...

3
1
3
1
2
2

Here is the example...

I am going to bet for Dozens 1 and 2.

1 chip each on D1 and D2. Result = 3. A loss on both dozens. I am -2.

1 chip each on D1 and D2. Result = 1. A win on D1 and a loss on D2. I am at -3 although I have 3 units riding on D1 for the parlay attempt.

3 chips riding on D1 and 1 chip on D2. Result = 3. My parlay lost as well as D2. I am - 5 now.

1 chip each on D1 and D2. Result = 1. A win on D1 and a loss on D2. I am at -6 although I have 3 units riding on D1 for the parlay attempt.

3 chips riding on D1 and I am going to go up to 2 chips on D2. Result = 2. My parlay lost. I did win on D2 and now have 6 units riding on D2 for the parlay attempt. I am - 7 now.

2 chips on D1 and 6 units are riding on D2 for the parlay attempt. Result = 2. The parlay won and D1 lost. I am + 7 now.

That's it! You could get cute with the bet selection. One idea would be to use the dozens AND the columns to pick the hottest two to play. It might be a good idea to have a daily loss limit as well if you were trying this.

You don't even need to use dozens or columns. Any bet selection that comprises 1/3 would do if you can find two of them that work together. The trick is to find two that have the ability to streak.

At the end of the day, it's just another progression twist. I quite like this one however.

cheers

Any win is a good win Smoczoor. And you are certainly right that every game is an opportunity to learn.

good luck. 

Well I am in the same boat as you on this one Turner.

As Sam likes to say from time to time...''I have not been up that mountain'' [smiley]aes/dont_know.png[/smiley]

175 games update:

+ 1555 units.

130 winning games

4 break even games

41 losing games

Had 1 or 2 more games where I regretted going a few more spins into the cycle than what I should have. 

But not bad over all and averaging just short of 9 units a game.

This might not end up as a winning method itself. However I am pretty sure there is a winning method lurking somewhere within the sphere of hot numbers.

cheers

Well done Albalaha!

You called it right first time. 

I had a very small bet on QPR at half-time to beat leeds (11/5) So I got my money back on betting Man C to be winning after 30 minutes. Mind you... those Hull players spent the first 25 minutes rolling around on the floor. Could you imagine some of these guys in a rugby match. It would make for interesting watching. 

Man City to win to nil is 4/5.

2/11 for the win.

4/9 for over 2.5 goals.


The bet I like in that match is Man City to be leading at 30 minutes  10/11 with Paddy Power. (They don't even have to win the game with this type of bet)

Man City should come out all guns blazing at home after last weeks loss to Cardiff.

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on August 29, 2013, 07:08:53 AM



So we really don't know what's going on with hot numbers, but from my very lengthy observations I have all but concluded that to a significant enough degree, hot numbers drag other numbers along with them into hot territory, and that equally, cold numbers drag other numbers along with them into cold territory.


By other numbers I mean numerical neighbours one number either side of said number. This observed effect probably drifts further than one number either side, but for practical purposes, one number either side is probably as far as we need to drift.

I think a good few of us have spotted this MMB.


Have a look at the picture. Here is the wheel layout and table layout minus the 0. (Wouldn't fit) [smiley]aes/blush.png[/smiley]

This was a just a random 36 numbers I selected. But it's something you see all the time.

There is a cold area and hot area in each.

cheers

Smoczoor,

You will get a better understanding of how I am doing it by reading my 'most recent two' thread in this blog.

That was for sixlines. All you need to do is convert it to single numbers. So you are waiting for two hits before betting.

What I am finding is 37 spins is too long when you are adding new numbers to bet. The profitability does not seem worth the risk. My personal preference would be to stop around the 20-25 spin mark (win or lose) and just reset.

I have to say however, I don't play a fixed set of rules. I might not like the look of the flow of numbers and will stop a game. Alternatively, I may push for another spin or two on occasions. So not every game is following the same procedure although I have a kind of framework that I will stick to. Basically that's never more than 3 numbers and I won't go up to 3 units later on the cycle. I had a few disaster games doing that (-150 and -180). Never be afraid to cut a game early and start again even after a few losses. The good cycles may be just around the corner and you want to make sure you will be ahead. Too many long losing games will just swallow everything up.

cheers

Finally made it to 150 games!

+1358 units.

Now I have to go through it all and pick the bones out of it. But I reckon it will be worth it.

111 winning games

4 break even games

35 losing games

So winning 3/4 games is ok as far as it goes.

Will be back when I have some info.

cheers

I think Mr J (Ken) has pretty much got this hot numbers malarkey worked out!

No more than 4 numbers looks good to me. But I find I hardly get past 2/3 with my stop loss procedures. The only slight difference in my approach would be to reset the whole thing once you get to a certain point. The hot numbers should be exactly that (hot). Having to up the ante just means the tide is slowly turning. It is looking like either the 25th spin in the cycle or a loss of 75 units is the place where you need to be taking the loss on the chin and just move on to the next game.

Smoczoor, I will try and stay with a 1 chip bet for as long as I can. Going up to 2 is ok. I am finding rising to 3 is just not working out. It is funny in a way because you would think it's safer. However the profitability seems to dissapear once hit this level.

Anyway, I am going to do some more testing because I think the hot numbers may be the way to go as opposed to sleepers.

I am still doing some research on Hot Numbers.

Have a look at this picture.

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So I am playing for 1 or 2 hot numbers using a mild progression and only play for a cycle of 37 spins.

The times are the interesting part.

Have a look at any game over 10 minutes.

10m49s)  0.01
11m2s)  0.21
17m52s)  -0.74
20m44s)  -0.78
11m1s)  0.07
10m21s)  0.32
14m8s)  0.00

So that's 7 games for a total loss -0.91

The other 15 games were all under 10 minutes and produced a total of +495 units.

So it strikes me that it's a waste of time chasing the hot numbers later on in the 37 spin cycle going on these stats.

Quote from: Number Six on August 23, 2013, 06:14:20 PM
Firstly, though, if you have to wait 200 spins for a win, well there seems to be something suspect with that. Why base the system around winning on an event that you have to stand around all day waiting for?

The best way IMO would be to have a handful of triggers for every spin. That does not mean you are going to bet on every spin.
However you are ready to jump in at any time. Small windows of opportunity will present themself somewhere down the line. I think this is one of the reasons I prefer just to play a single number or a split or two. I just want to dip my toe in the water and try and get a quick win or two which will give me a profit. You can have quite a few attempts at this when playing so few numbers. Playing an E/C bet and losing that first bet means a win on the next attempt can only result in breaking even if you are flat betting.

It is my belief that if you can keep the variance low for an E/C bet or a sixline for example...then you should be able to achieve the same eventually for the other bets like streets / splits etc... It is surely just a natural progression if you are onto something. So then I would be asking why would anybody want to put more of their money in action if they did not really need to. It reminds me of the saying 'it's not what you win, it's what you don't lose'.

But anyway, we all have our own ways of playing and it's all good as long as we are getting some enjoyment out of it!

Quote from: Number Six on August 23, 2013, 01:25:58 AM
I wondered because you had mentioned playing in cycles of 37 spins. Though I may have some ideas that could help you. Not entirely related to law of the third, but certainly for identifying possible repeaters and "hot" numbers.

Hello Number Six, any information on hot numbers would be much appreciated. I use the 37 spin cycles when I visit the casinos. I find it keeps my discipline going and I can move around a bit.

There are some good points in here for sure!

Quote from: Mr J on August 23, 2013, 05:43:48 AM


B) Your time!! In terms of RNG, I could careless, I'm talking about an actual casino. When betting 1-2 numbers, you must have the TIME to bounce back when down and that's NOT counting, we haven't even discussed unit sizes for that ONE number.


Ken

Totally agree. My small test yesterday comprised of around 400 spins. It took about 3 hours on betvoyager. That would have taken 8-9 hours in some of the casinos where I play at.

Quote from: Number Six on August 23, 2013, 01:07:40 AM

There's no maths that says you can't play a bet selection in a regular state of low variance. And that applies to all payouts.

Well I think this is where we will have our best shot. So it's all about finding an optimal way to achieve it.

 The first thing to do is find the sleeping dozen and column.

29 = 3B

17 = 2B

27 = 3C  (1A) This is the sleeping dozen + column.

So now I will wait and see what happens...

8 = 1B  (2A)

The dozen changed and the column stayed the same. So I am going to look for the A column to remain sleeping. I am also going to look for that dozen to change again. This can only happen if dozen 2 appears on the next spin. So I am looking for either 2B or 2C.

The 2B and 2C can be covered with 4 chips on the splits 14/17, 20/23 and 15/18, 21/24.

Next number out...

18 2C  (3A) This is the sleeping dozen + column.

That was a win. You can see that column A remained sleeping and the dozen 2 appeared.

Now I am going to bet for column A to remain sleeping and look for the dozen 3 to appear.

My splits this time are 26/29, 32/35 and 27/30, 33/36.

Next number out...

27 3C  (1A)

Another win because column A slept and the dozen 3 appeared.


Here is the full list for the numbers in the picture.

29 (3B)
17 (2B)
27 (3C)  (1A)
08 (1B)  (2A)
18 (2C)  (3A) WON +14.
27 (3C)  (1A) WON +14.
19 (2A)  (1B) LOST -4.
00  LOST -4.
23 (2B)  (1C) WON +14.
26 (3B)  (1C) LOST -4.
33 (3C)  (1A) WON +14.
17 (2B)  (1A) LOST -4.
35 (3B)  (1A) LOST -4.
28 (3A)  (1C) WON +14.
18 (2C)  (1B) WON +14.

You can see how the column A was sleeping to begin with and then it changed to dozen 1.
The other side was changing regularly enough to give 6 wins vs 5 losses for a 64 unit gain.