I am just home from a 12 hour marathon session in a local B+M Casino. I really wanted to see how this worked live.

Thank you very much soggett for posting your test results. Very kind of you.

Well, I really did enjoy a lot of good luck with this today. I used it as an attack weapon like I suggested above.

Here is what I did.....

Up 1 unit on a win or loss.

So let's take the group 1 as an example. (numbers 1,3,5,7,9)

Here are some numbers that came out and I will explain how I played.

20 black (group 6)

5 red (group 1)

33 black (group 7)

1 red (group 1)

So now I would place 1 unit on each of the 5 numbers in group 1.

18 red (group 4)

That's a loss and I am down 5 units.

I now go up to 2 units on each of the 5 numbers in group 1.

7 red (group 1)

That's a win and I am +57 in front. I placed 5 chips on the first bet and 10 chips on the second bet. That's 15 chips.
I got returned 72 chips meaning I am ahead by 57.

Now I am going to place 3 units on each of the 5 numbers in group 1.

11 black (group 3)

That's a loss and I am now only ahead 42 units.

Now I am going to place 4 units on the 5 numbers in group 1.

3 red (group 1)

That's a win. I am now 166 units ahead.

You can stop at any time.

My golden rule was not to chase after 4 consecutive losses from the start. Stop and look for another opportunity starting from the 1 unit again.

This costs 50 units playing 5 numbers or 40 units playing 4 numbers if you don't hit any winners in 4 spins.

Some of the runs were unbelievable and I chickened out on a few. One run would have got me to a high of over 1200 units if I had carried on.

I think a sensible approach is to look for the winners to appear within 2/3 spin gaps.

Something like this for instance if you were playing group 1....

1

3

4

1

1

7

8

1

This is fine.

I have cards stuffed everywhere from today/tonight in my pockets and will go through some of them tommorow and elaborate further.

cheers

I was thinking some more about this earlier and it strikes me that the best approach would be to just use it as the occasional attack weapon.

Set aside 20/25 units.

Wait for one of the groups to wake up and then attack it using a positive progression. Maybe something like up 1 unit (win or lose) on every spin. Stop when you are happy with your profits or when you have exhausted the original 20/25 units you set aside. It seems the best way to try and capitalize on some of the hot streaks that occur.

cheers

Quote from: Turner on July 31, 2013, 10:08:15 PM
latvian spins would be nice to look at. how many X's from where the ball flew off....12 ?  lol

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Spielbank Wiesbaden put -- --  -- when there is a change of dealer!

The Latvian version --  --  -- indicate when the magnets are turned on! 

Brilliant video Priyanka

It had me chuckling a few times.

Here is a quick example from today....


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You can see playing the black groups is not producing much. Yet the group 5 in the reds is going great.

This is why I personally don't think it's a good idea to play systems cast in stone. You have to adapt to what is unfolding before your eyes.

Quote from: Priyanka on July 30, 2013, 02:57:43 PM
Now that you concluded that do one side why not just do a FTL of the groups

Priyanka

That would be ok until you get the dreaded chops!

RBRBRB etc....

You coul get something like...

16 RED (GROUP 4)

20 BLACK (GROUP 6)

12 RED (GROUP 4)

31 BLACK (GROUP 7)

14 RED (GROUP 4)

2 BLACK (GROUP 2)

So FTL here could catch you out. However there is a trend developing on the group 4. This is why I think any winning roulette strategy that we can come up with is going to depend on some kind of situational awareness. We can't change the odds, so we need to find a way to beat the game. 

Here is a case in point why I think betting one group from both sides (red/black) may not neccesarily be such a good idea!

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You don't want to be betting a black group when the red is dominant and vice versa.

The following happens a lot......

RRR B RR B RRRRR B RRR etc

So this could be one 'filter' included at least to try and cut down on some of the bets.

A type of situational play is slowly starting to evolve. The aim if at all possible is to eliminate some of the variance and try and be betting into the 'purple patch' more than anything else.

This is an interesting snapshot from yesterday's results on Airball Table 1 over at Spielbank Wiesbaden.

The potential was here to make a killing.

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It is mostly black numbers spread with a few red for the first 50 spins or so.

Here are the groups for the back numbers...

7
6
6  play the 6 from here!
6  winner
6  winner
6  winner
6  winner
3
7
3  play the 3 from here!
6
2
2  play the 2 from here!
2  winner
2  winner
2  winner
2  winner
6
2  winner
2  winner
7
2  winner
3
2  winner
2  winner
6
2  winner
2  winner
7
6
2  winner
2  winner

29 bets x 5 chips = 145 chips

17 wins x 36 chips = 612 chips

That's flat betting. There is loads of scope when betting just a few numbers to up the ante.

More interesting to me is a passage above where the groups went.....

6
2
2
2
2
2
2
6
2
2
7
2
3
2
2
6
2
2
7
6
2
2

The black numbers can only produce the following groups...

2
3
6
7

The 2 and 6 above were very hot with only ever a gap of 1 loss in between.

6 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
2 W
6 W
2 W
2 W
7 L
2 W
3 L
2 W
2 W
6 W
2 W
2 W
7 L
6 W
2 W
2 W

19 wins vs 3 losses in that sample.

So I am thinking that just playing one from either the black group or red group as opposed to playing one from each may be the way to go.



cheers

Hello Turner

I agree partly with what you say. The numbers on a roulette wheel have no real connection with each other.

On saying that... These particular 8 groups are interesting on the single 0 wheel.

The 1,3,5,7,9 are all on the left hand side.
The 2,4,6,8,10 are all on the right hand side.
The 11,13,15,17 are all on the right hand side.
The 12,14,16,18 are all on the left hand side.
The 19,21,23,25,27 are all on the right hand side.
The 20,22,24,26,28 are all on the left hand side.
The 29,31,33,35 are all on the left hand side.
The 30,32,34,36 are all on the right hand side.

Years ago, I used to look for croupiers that had a habit of going from one side of the wheel to the other. I found a few who I thought were quite good at it. I was hoping for one group on each side to bounce back and forth.

Something like....

30
12
36
14
30

It happened enough to give me some good days out.

So I have never really discounted these groups and that's what got my interest up when I was reading the thread over on VLS.

cheers

Hello Priyanka

Your idea is good as well. That is a nice result for 36 spins. I am sure we could come up with a few good variations using these 8 groups of numbers.

cheers

Just picking a day at random....

6th march 2013, table 3.

First 16 red numbers in their groups...

8
1
8  play the 8 from here!
1  play the 1 from here!
1  winner
1  winner
4
8
1  winner
8  play the 8 from here!
8  winner
1
8  winner
5
8  winner
8  winner

An example of where 58 chips would return 252 flat betting.



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Quote from: Chrisbis on July 29, 2013, 09:23:24 PM


Have we found the Golden Mine Entrance?

Hello Chris

What I will say is that I have hardly ever seen anything as streaky before!

I thought the numbers from Mido were too good to be true.....

Then I thought my test results were too good to be true.......

Something as streaky as this is not at all bad.

There is nothing worse than playing a waiting game, getting a paper win and then the trail goes cold again. This doesn't seem to suffer from that at least. The downside of something that can get really hot is that it will equally have to go very cold. This is why I would not try any type of negative progression on this. However a positive progression on one of the streaking groups could give some big wins judging by what I am seeing.

More investigation needed.... [smiley]aes/coffee.png[/smiley]

Cheers Vic 

I am looking forward to it and have several ideas ready to go once it's up and running.

One final thing that I noticed when running through several days of results is that you do get quite a few losing runs of 10-12 spins throughout a day. Then it often wakes up with a bunch of wins.

So an idea maybe to track for these 10-12 losing spins, wait for the first winner and then look to ride any upward trend.

The only downside to this is the time needed I suppose. Maybe the best way to get around this is to play at a live B+M casino where you can track several wheels at the same time. It would be much better IMO to try and let the variance help as opposed to using any risky staking plans.

Good luck if you decide to give it a go. 

Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to give it a bash at Smartlive over 36 spins.

6
35
31
2
14
29
3
2
27
34
14
13
36
3
8
11
33
23
35
21
6
23
26
16
26
1
1
3
22
23
2
5
7
22
22
29

The red group...

4
1
5
8
4 play the 4 from here!
8 play the 8 from here!
1
5
5 play the 5 from here!
5
4
1
1 play the 1 from here!
1
5
1
1


The black group...

2
7
7 play the 7 from here!
2
7
2 play the 2 from here!
3
2
3 play the 3 from here!
7
7 play the 7 from here!
2
6
6 play the 6 from here!
6
2
6
6
7

It went through a lean trot losing around 70 units and then bounced back to finish +65 in total.

The 1 and 6 groups were flying towards the end.