Hello Turner

I agree partly with what you say. The numbers on a roulette wheel have no real connection with each other.

On saying that... These particular 8 groups are interesting on the single 0 wheel.

The 1,3,5,7,9 are all on the left hand side.
The 2,4,6,8,10 are all on the right hand side.
The 11,13,15,17 are all on the right hand side.
The 12,14,16,18 are all on the left hand side.
The 19,21,23,25,27 are all on the right hand side.
The 20,22,24,26,28 are all on the left hand side.
The 29,31,33,35 are all on the left hand side.
The 30,32,34,36 are all on the right hand side.

Years ago, I used to look for croupiers that had a habit of going from one side of the wheel to the other. I found a few who I thought were quite good at it. I was hoping for one group on each side to bounce back and forth.

Something like....

30
12
36
14
30

It happened enough to give me some good days out.

So I have never really discounted these groups and that's what got my interest up when I was reading the thread over on VLS.

cheers

Hello Priyanka

Your idea is good as well. That is a nice result for 36 spins. I am sure we could come up with a few good variations using these 8 groups of numbers.

cheers

Just picking a day at random....

6th march 2013, table 3.

First 16 red numbers in their groups...

8
1
8  play the 8 from here!
1  play the 1 from here!
1  winner
1  winner
4
8
1  winner
8  play the 8 from here!
8  winner
1
8  winner
5
8  winner
8  winner

An example of where 58 chips would return 252 flat betting.



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Quote from: Chrisbis on July 29, 2013, 09:23:24 PM


Have we found the Golden Mine Entrance?

Hello Chris

What I will say is that I have hardly ever seen anything as streaky before!

I thought the numbers from Mido were too good to be true.....

Then I thought my test results were too good to be true.......

Something as streaky as this is not at all bad.

There is nothing worse than playing a waiting game, getting a paper win and then the trail goes cold again. This doesn't seem to suffer from that at least. The downside of something that can get really hot is that it will equally have to go very cold. This is why I would not try any type of negative progression on this. However a positive progression on one of the streaking groups could give some big wins judging by what I am seeing.

More investigation needed.... [smiley]aes/coffee.png[/smiley]

Cheers Vic 

I am looking forward to it and have several ideas ready to go once it's up and running.

One final thing that I noticed when running through several days of results is that you do get quite a few losing runs of 10-12 spins throughout a day. Then it often wakes up with a bunch of wins.

So an idea maybe to track for these 10-12 losing spins, wait for the first winner and then look to ride any upward trend.

The only downside to this is the time needed I suppose. Maybe the best way to get around this is to play at a live B+M casino where you can track several wheels at the same time. It would be much better IMO to try and let the variance help as opposed to using any risky staking plans.

Good luck if you decide to give it a go. 

Curiosity got the better of me and I decided to give it a bash at Smartlive over 36 spins.

6
35
31
2
14
29
3
2
27
34
14
13
36
3
8
11
33
23
35
21
6
23
26
16
26
1
1
3
22
23
2
5
7
22
22
29

The red group...

4
1
5
8
4 play the 4 from here!
8 play the 8 from here!
1
5
5 play the 5 from here!
5
4
1
1 play the 1 from here!
1
5
1
1


The black group...

2
7
7 play the 7 from here!
2
7
2 play the 2 from here!
3
2
3 play the 3 from here!
7
7 play the 7 from here!
2
6
6 play the 6 from here!
6
2
6
6
7

It went through a lean trot losing around 70 units and then bounced back to finish +65 in total.

The 1 and 6 groups were flying towards the end.

Table 3. Yesterday.

26
34
20
18
24
05
34
36

The groups for red numbers...

8
4
1
5
8 play the 8 from here!
8


The groups for black numbers...

6
6 play the 6 from here!
6


Table 4. Yesterday.

33
15
29
22
01
36
17
11
20
21
01
12
16
04
18
15
18

The groups for red numbers...

1
8
5
1 play the 1 from here!
4
4 play the 4 from here!
4
4 **this is a time when maybe you would have increased the stake on the group 4 numbers**


The groups for black numbers...

7
3
7 play the 7 from here!
6
3 play the 3 from here!
3
6 **just a note here in case anyone is confused. You would not play the 6 from here. The 3 has two hits in the last three. The 6 has two hits in the last four. Stick with the hottest which is the 3**
2
3

Well that pretty much explains it. I like it. No need to play it like a robot as Mido1 suggests. Box clever and it's a nice little system. (assuming this is how Mido intends it to be played of course)

Beginners luck alert!!!! [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]

Just went over to Spielbank Wiesbaden and got some numbers because I thought the numbers posted above were very player friendly!

Table 2. Yesterday.

17
20
19
35
05
06
02
16
34
19
04
19
14
23

The groups for red numbers.....

5
1
4
8
5 play the 5 from here!
5
4
5

The groups for black numbers....

3
6
7
2
2 play the 2 from here!
2

There are a lot more winners after this.....

It's a curse!!!! [smiley]aes/pirate.png[/smiley]

I certainly wouldn't look to use any kind of negative progression with this. It would be better to gradually increase the stakes on whatever group started to become very hot.

I just crunched through those numbers from 30 to 35 and there is 16 wins between playing the groups from the red and black numbers as I explained.

Let's look at it from another angle!

The groups that appear from the Red numbers....

8
4
5
1
1 play the 1 from here!
1
4
1
5
1
4
5 play the 5 from here!
4 play the 4 from here!
4
5
4
8
5 play the 5 from here!
4 play the 4 from here!
4
5
1
5 play the 5 from here!
4
8
4 play the 4 from here!
4
1
8
5
4
8 play the 8 from here!
8
8
8

Now let's look at the groups that appear from the black numbers...

7
2
6
7 play the 7 from here!
7
6
2
3
3 play the 3 from here!
7
3
7 play the 7 from here!
6
2
7
7
7
3
6
6 play the 6 from here!
7

The red numbers can only contain groups 1,4,5,8

The black numbers can only contain groups 2,3,6,7

Quote from: Chrisbis on July 29, 2013, 04:12:18 AM
From VLS

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Here is MIDO1 system. Can some of you figure it out and post explanation on how to play his system. Thanks.Ok first rule random it isn't random  in the game of the roulette they are 8 lines in wich the 36 numbers are forming this lines lookline1  1  3   5   7   9 ,are red ,odd, small numbers line2       2  4   6   8   10  are black,even,small numbers  line3 12   14   16   18    are  red,even,small numbers   line4   11   13   15   17   are black,odd,small numbersline5 19   21   23   25   27  are red ,odd, big numbers line6    20   22   24   26   28 are black,even,big numbers line 7   30   32   34   36    are red,even,big numbers   line 8    29   31   33   35   are black,odd,big numbers It isn't a system it how the game of the roulette make patterns from this numbers and this is how u will take an edge always ,believe me,the betting you should study this I am making you pen the your yeys  Permanenzen vom Tisch 2 vom 05.12.2007look at this30        16        19        3        1        5        14           9        23        7        14   29                     252        26        31                14   35        24        1013                 18   17                   23        18    --   --   --        3033                27        12   17                  12            2133                924        10            0                      2331                    18        3431                            12          18  35                     7        32        23--   --   --        12        34   11                32            36     20        24                3035                I have given you A GOLD MINE

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I think I may have a handle on this. The clue seems to be in the 'left' and 'right'.

I will try and simplify my thoughts on this otherwise it is going to get confusing.

So there are 8 groups.

1 = 1,3,5,7,9
2 = 2,4,6,8,10
3 = 11,13,15,17
4 = 12,14,16,18
5 = 19,21,23,25,27
6 = 20,22,24,26,28
7 = 29,31,33,35
8 = 30,32,34,36

So I am going to the use the numbers provided and then convert them to the grouping they belong to.

Red on the left, Black on the right.

30 = 8

16 = 4

19 = 5

03 = 1

01 = 1

ok! here is where the group 1 repeated. Now I am thinking that you would play for the group 1 from here. (numbers 1,3,5,7,9)

05 = 1

That was a winner because the group 1 appeared. Keep playing group 1.

14 = 4

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

09 = 1

Another winner. Keep playing group 1.

23 = 5

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

07 = 1

Another winner. Keep playing group 1.

14 = 4

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

29        = 7 (The first black number to appear and go to the right)

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

25 = 5

That was a loss. Now here is where I think you would switch to playing group 5 numbers.

Why?

Look at the last 4 groups for the Red numbers.

5
1
4
5

The 5 is the 'closest' repeat.

02        = 2

That was a loss. Keep playing group 5.

26       = 6

That was a loss. Keep playing group 5.

31       = 7

That was a loss. Keep playing group 5. Now here is where the action starts for the black numbers.

Look at the last 4 groups for the black numbers.

7
2
6
7

There is a repeat with the 7.

So now you will play for the 7 group to appear. (numbers 29,31,33,35)

So you are now playing 2 groups!

Group 5 from the red numbers and group 7 from the black numbers.

14 = 4

That was a loss on both groups.

There is now also a change in bet in the red numbers.

Look at the last 3 groups of red numbers.

4
5
4

So the 4 now has the 'closest' repeat.

Play for the group 4 red numbers and continue to play for the group 7 black numbers.

35       = 7

That was a winner for the black numbers in group 7 and a loss for group 5.

Simples!

At least that's the way I read it.

Quote from: Turner on July 28, 2013, 05:23:46 PM


Yes....we lived over the brush for 2 years

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Quote from: Turner on July 27, 2013, 09:46:15 PM



don't be greedy. Take a win as a win. Be a winner.

Well done!

A lot of the bookmaker sites (hills, ladbrokes, corals, paddy power, bet365 etc..) are more than likely to offer you a free £5 or £10 play at their casino when you register with them and place a sports bet.

One way to take advantage of this would be to back opposite sides of a match bet at two different sites. Then any freebies coming for the casino are a nice bonus.

'when do you have an advantage?'

When the casino tell you to go and play somewhere else! [smiley]aes/tongue.png[/smiley]

It's a seriously hard question to answer because of all the variables involved. It would be very noble to be able to win outright flat betting. However, I think this just puts a straightjacket on a player. Trying to work out any kind of advantage using progressions would just muddy the waters even further.

I don't think 1k or even 5k worth of results is going to give us an answer. There will be a small percent of players who come out ahead in their lifetime maybe only playing 5k worth of spins. It does not mean they had any kind of advantage other than good luck.

I don't think these tests like the Van Keelen test or Dr Wilson's acid test conclusively proof anything one way or another.


This may sound silly and not very scientific, However, I get a gut feeling fairly quickly if something is worth investigating further or not. I could be playing something and winning with it, however my gut instinct will tell me quickly if it's a disaster waiting to happen. I have paid the price a few times for not listening to my instinct. So who is to say instinct is not as valuable to us in gambling compared to percentages and what not.

Sorry Big EZ that I couldn't really specifically answer any of your questions. But I think that's in part because they are kind of unanswerable if you are playing strategies as opposed to taking a physical approach.

Let's hope someone else comes along and can help out.

Quote from: Let Me Win on July 23, 2013, 11:27:54 AM

In fact the reason he is called the 'Tip Thief' is because he steals all the tips off the other expensive services on the market.

One of the downsides to that is the price becomes prohibitive once it has passed through all the hands.

Henry Rix was a good tipster at finding longshots in valuable races. But the 20/1 shot becomes an 8/1 shot before the man on the street gets it.

It would not surprise me if you could make a profit laying some of the tipsters selections once they actually become under the true odds.

One thing I noticed several years ago is that William Hill's were particularly savage at shortening some of Rix's longshots by more than half. Most of them invariably went back to nearer the opening odds once the opening show appeared. You could have layed at the gambled on price and then backed at a better price to at least guarantee your money back if the horse did not win on most occasions.

There is always a few alternative angles which might give you some scope instead of betting selections blind when the value has already gone.