Table 3. Yesterday.

26
34
20
18
24
05
34
36

The groups for red numbers...

8
4
1
5
8 play the 8 from here!
8


The groups for black numbers...

6
6 play the 6 from here!
6


Table 4. Yesterday.

33
15
29
22
01
36
17
11
20
21
01
12
16
04
18
15
18

The groups for red numbers...

1
8
5
1 play the 1 from here!
4
4 play the 4 from here!
4
4 **this is a time when maybe you would have increased the stake on the group 4 numbers**


The groups for black numbers...

7
3
7 play the 7 from here!
6
3 play the 3 from here!
3
6 **just a note here in case anyone is confused. You would not play the 6 from here. The 3 has two hits in the last three. The 6 has two hits in the last four. Stick with the hottest which is the 3**
2
3

Well that pretty much explains it. I like it. No need to play it like a robot as Mido1 suggests. Box clever and it's a nice little system. (assuming this is how Mido intends it to be played of course)

Beginners luck alert!!!! [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]

Just went over to Spielbank Wiesbaden and got some numbers because I thought the numbers posted above were very player friendly!

Table 2. Yesterday.

17
20
19
35
05
06
02
16
34
19
04
19
14
23

The groups for red numbers.....

5
1
4
8
5 play the 5 from here!
5
4
5

The groups for black numbers....

3
6
7
2
2 play the 2 from here!
2

There are a lot more winners after this.....

It's a curse!!!! [smiley]aes/pirate.png[/smiley]

I certainly wouldn't look to use any kind of negative progression with this. It would be better to gradually increase the stakes on whatever group started to become very hot.

I just crunched through those numbers from 30 to 35 and there is 16 wins between playing the groups from the red and black numbers as I explained.

Let's look at it from another angle!

The groups that appear from the Red numbers....

8
4
5
1
1 play the 1 from here!
1
4
1
5
1
4
5 play the 5 from here!
4 play the 4 from here!
4
5
4
8
5 play the 5 from here!
4 play the 4 from here!
4
5
1
5 play the 5 from here!
4
8
4 play the 4 from here!
4
1
8
5
4
8 play the 8 from here!
8
8
8

Now let's look at the groups that appear from the black numbers...

7
2
6
7 play the 7 from here!
7
6
2
3
3 play the 3 from here!
7
3
7 play the 7 from here!
6
2
7
7
7
3
6
6 play the 6 from here!
7

The red numbers can only contain groups 1,4,5,8

The black numbers can only contain groups 2,3,6,7

Quote from: Chrisbis on July 29, 2013, 04:12:18 AM
From VLS

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Here is MIDO1 system. Can some of you figure it out and post explanation on how to play his system. Thanks.Ok first rule random it isn't random  in the game of the roulette they are 8 lines in wich the 36 numbers are forming this lines lookline1  1  3   5   7   9 ,are red ,odd, small numbers line2       2  4   6   8   10  are black,even,small numbers  line3 12   14   16   18    are  red,even,small numbers   line4   11   13   15   17   are black,odd,small numbersline5 19   21   23   25   27  are red ,odd, big numbers line6    20   22   24   26   28 are black,even,big numbers line 7   30   32   34   36    are red,even,big numbers   line 8    29   31   33   35   are black,odd,big numbers It isn't a system it how the game of the roulette make patterns from this numbers and this is how u will take an edge always ,believe me,the betting you should study this I am making you pen the your yeys  Permanenzen vom Tisch 2 vom 05.12.2007look at this30        16        19        3        1        5        14           9        23        7        14   29                     252        26        31                14   35        24        1013                 18   17                   23        18    --   --   --        3033                27        12   17                  12            2133                924        10            0                      2331                    18        3431                            12          18  35                     7        32        23--   --   --        12        34   11                32            36     20        24                3035                I have given you A GOLD MINE

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I think I may have a handle on this. The clue seems to be in the 'left' and 'right'.

I will try and simplify my thoughts on this otherwise it is going to get confusing.

So there are 8 groups.

1 = 1,3,5,7,9
2 = 2,4,6,8,10
3 = 11,13,15,17
4 = 12,14,16,18
5 = 19,21,23,25,27
6 = 20,22,24,26,28
7 = 29,31,33,35
8 = 30,32,34,36

So I am going to the use the numbers provided and then convert them to the grouping they belong to.

Red on the left, Black on the right.

30 = 8

16 = 4

19 = 5

03 = 1

01 = 1

ok! here is where the group 1 repeated. Now I am thinking that you would play for the group 1 from here. (numbers 1,3,5,7,9)

05 = 1

That was a winner because the group 1 appeared. Keep playing group 1.

14 = 4

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

09 = 1

Another winner. Keep playing group 1.

23 = 5

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

07 = 1

Another winner. Keep playing group 1.

14 = 4

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

29        = 7 (The first black number to appear and go to the right)

That was a loss. Keep playing group 1.

25 = 5

That was a loss. Now here is where I think you would switch to playing group 5 numbers.

Why?

Look at the last 4 groups for the Red numbers.

5
1
4
5

The 5 is the 'closest' repeat.

02        = 2

That was a loss. Keep playing group 5.

26       = 6

That was a loss. Keep playing group 5.

31       = 7

That was a loss. Keep playing group 5. Now here is where the action starts for the black numbers.

Look at the last 4 groups for the black numbers.

7
2
6
7

There is a repeat with the 7.

So now you will play for the 7 group to appear. (numbers 29,31,33,35)

So you are now playing 2 groups!

Group 5 from the red numbers and group 7 from the black numbers.

14 = 4

That was a loss on both groups.

There is now also a change in bet in the red numbers.

Look at the last 3 groups of red numbers.

4
5
4

So the 4 now has the 'closest' repeat.

Play for the group 4 red numbers and continue to play for the group 7 black numbers.

35       = 7

That was a winner for the black numbers in group 7 and a loss for group 5.

Simples!

At least that's the way I read it.

Quote from: Turner on July 28, 2013, 05:23:46 PM


Yes....we lived over the brush for 2 years

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Quote from: Turner on July 27, 2013, 09:46:15 PM



don't be greedy. Take a win as a win. Be a winner.

Well done!

A lot of the bookmaker sites (hills, ladbrokes, corals, paddy power, bet365 etc..) are more than likely to offer you a free £5 or £10 play at their casino when you register with them and place a sports bet.

One way to take advantage of this would be to back opposite sides of a match bet at two different sites. Then any freebies coming for the casino are a nice bonus.

'when do you have an advantage?'

When the casino tell you to go and play somewhere else! [smiley]aes/tongue.png[/smiley]

It's a seriously hard question to answer because of all the variables involved. It would be very noble to be able to win outright flat betting. However, I think this just puts a straightjacket on a player. Trying to work out any kind of advantage using progressions would just muddy the waters even further.

I don't think 1k or even 5k worth of results is going to give us an answer. There will be a small percent of players who come out ahead in their lifetime maybe only playing 5k worth of spins. It does not mean they had any kind of advantage other than good luck.

I don't think these tests like the Van Keelen test or Dr Wilson's acid test conclusively proof anything one way or another.


This may sound silly and not very scientific, However, I get a gut feeling fairly quickly if something is worth investigating further or not. I could be playing something and winning with it, however my gut instinct will tell me quickly if it's a disaster waiting to happen. I have paid the price a few times for not listening to my instinct. So who is to say instinct is not as valuable to us in gambling compared to percentages and what not.

Sorry Big EZ that I couldn't really specifically answer any of your questions. But I think that's in part because they are kind of unanswerable if you are playing strategies as opposed to taking a physical approach.

Let's hope someone else comes along and can help out.

Quote from: Let Me Win on July 23, 2013, 11:27:54 AM

In fact the reason he is called the 'Tip Thief' is because he steals all the tips off the other expensive services on the market.

One of the downsides to that is the price becomes prohibitive once it has passed through all the hands.

Henry Rix was a good tipster at finding longshots in valuable races. But the 20/1 shot becomes an 8/1 shot before the man on the street gets it.

It would not surprise me if you could make a profit laying some of the tipsters selections once they actually become under the true odds.

One thing I noticed several years ago is that William Hill's were particularly savage at shortening some of Rix's longshots by more than half. Most of them invariably went back to nearer the opening odds once the opening show appeared. You could have layed at the gambled on price and then backed at a better price to at least guarantee your money back if the horse did not win on most occasions.

There is always a few alternative angles which might give you some scope instead of betting selections blind when the value has already gone.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on July 23, 2013, 06:01:07 AM
It also helps to look at the 1st or 3rd columns to play for a 00 wheel.  Those numbers are wheel-neighbor friendly.

Thanks Proof

I love a challenge and so I am going to try and come up with something different for the 00 wheel.

It is a fascinating layout on the disc.

I looked further into the available splits....

So I am going to the left of the 00 and to the right of the 0 taking 2 numbers at a time and putting them in numerical order.

1,13
2,14  (splits 1/2 + 13/14)

24,36
23,35 (splits 23/24 + 35/36)

3,15
4,16 (can't use these as splits)

22,34
21,33 (can't use these as splits)

5,17
6,18 (splits 5/6 + 17/18)

20,32
19,31 (splits 19/20 + 31,32)

7,11
8,12 (splits 7/8 + 11/12)

26,30
25,29 (splits 25/26 + 29/30)

9,28
10,27 (can't use these as splits)

What's also interesting looking at these groups of 4 numbers is how most of them are grouped in a kind of 'finales' order.

1,2,13,14 = 1,2,3,4

23,24,25,26 = 3,4,5,6

3,4,15,16 = 3,4,5,6

21,22,33,34 = 1,2,3,4

5,6,17,18 = 5,6,7,8

19,20,31,32 = 9,0,1,2

7,8,11,12 (this one does not work)

25,26,29,30 (this one does not work)

9,10,27,28 = 7,8,9,0

So plenty there to have a look at. There is certainly more order in the 00 wheel than the single 0 disc arrangement IMO.

I believe 'Number Six' dropped a few clues in his post over on VLS without going into the specifics of it all.

He wrote........

''I recently came across an article by a mathematician, which I mentioned in another thread, who said the layout of the American wheel is so inferior to the Euro one that it can be cracked, like your friend Bob has claimed. I mean, Pascal, who is the father of the Euro wheel, was a genius - not even he could beat his own game! The American wheel, though, was designed to accommodate the 00 and increase the house edge. Mathematically not much thought went into the distribution of the numbers around the disc. I believe there are ways to engineer bets based on the analysis of the disc layout.''


I have never really paid much attention to the 00 wheel because casinos only use the single 0 here in the UK and over in Oz. (however the Crown in Melbourne have a unique feature on their low limit tables. It's a double zero added on to the single zero wheel)

So I had a good look at the 00 wheel tonight and I can see what Number Six is getting at.

Going to the left of the 00 shows 1 and 13.

Going to the right of the 0 shows 2 and 14.

Next to the 1 and 13 are 36 and 24.

Next to the 2 and 14 are 35 and 23.

Can anyone spot the pattern?

You have 4 splits there...

1/2, 13/14, 23/24 and 35/36.

This pattern runs all the way around the disc.

There is definately scope for a good strategy using the 00 wheel.

Quote from: VLS on July 22, 2013, 12:10:01 PM

TIMING too 

Timing is the most important aspect for me when it comes to playing roulette.

Just next to that is awareness.

It is very easy to get caught up in the game. So the awareness needs to be 100% spot on for a player to be able to use good timing.

We are all big kids at heart. [smiley]afb/lol.gif[/smiley]

part 7.

part 6.

Part 5.

Time for a break. [smiley]aes/headphones.png[/smiley]