Here is a comparison between flat betting and using the G3M1.

A round is 100 decisions and 600 rounds (60,000) decisions were tested for each of the following examples in the Koetsch book.

Flat betting...

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G3M1....

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There are some interesting findings such as the percentage of times you will be ahead by 20 units flat betting = 2% compared to 47% using the G3M1. Also the percentage of times you will be ahead by 30 units flat betting = 0% compared to 29% using the G3M1. Now you may say OK, it's not that surprising that you aren't going to get ahead by 20-30 units flat betting over 100 decisions but then you need to look at how the average loss per round is 1.38 units flat betting compared to 3.96 units using G3M1. So if you go to 'gamble' and try and maximize your winnings / potential winnings, you can see why Koetsch prefers the G3M1.

Hello Asym,

Take Al's turning points/sections as an example. Looking at his examples, you might get on average 4/5 of these throughout a shoe. They don't appear one after the other in short order, rather they appear spread out. So here you have several opportunities to attack and also know that one particular characteristic has given way to another. I think this is a worthwhile way to look for that 'certainty' where you have some information to help/guide you.

Quote from: alrelax on April 16, 2019, 03:45:00 PM
  By the proper definition of the word 'lazy' as in physically lacking output, etc., I am not referring to that.  But what just happened with this type of worker, is he just became a bit hard-headed, egotistic and in fact, a bit overconfident.  Probably not much different than the highest majority of all bac players that have 'been there and done all that', as the saying goes.

That's where maturity and wisdom as alluded to by CT70 can be so important. As a former keen roulette student, I can relate to the above quote and cite roughly 1,000 posts on this forum alone where I talked with a self perceived understanding of how to beat the game of roulette. That false belief is a killer. Ironically, I hardly post on the game of baccarat and prefer to read others instead realizing that there is a bit of truth and common sense in mostly what everyone has to say if you are prepared to look for it. To put it bluntly, we have two ears and only one mouth and I find/found that you don't learn as much and are not as receptive to other ideas if as Alrelax said above that you are a bit egotistical, hard-headed or over-confident. Wise words indeed.

Flat betting is my personal preference. On saying that, I will use a positive progression if a section of the shoe looks like it's heading for a run of a streak/chop or what I would define as a 'staggered' chop. Obviously nobody knows what's coming out beforehand, but you do need to have something in your armoury which can identify the switches quickly if you want to profit from flat betting. It's no good losing a few units at the end of one section just to possibly win one unit on the next few decisions before another couple of losses if you hope to be successful. Asym is right in one respect! You better know your 'first bet' is going to be a winning one the majority of the time because then you have some wiggle room.

I noticed the original post was missing and so nobody would really have the foggiest what it was all about.
Here is the 'wayback' link so anybody can read what was originally said in the opening post.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170420212412/https://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/how-to-get-an-edge-flat-betting-(in-theory)

edit: The URL link is not archived or something along those lines, however you can still access it manually if that makes any sense!

If you are a member of Amazon, you get to read as many stuff gambling books as you like because most of them come under the 'kindle unlimited' umbrella which are free to read. All of the Tabone books were there last year. The roulette books are no better than the baccarat ones. It's obvious that he had limited knowledge and soaked up most of his ideas from the forums. He reminds me of what I used to do as a kid! I would go down to the golf course and pick up all the loose balls around the river and rough grass, clean them up and take them back to the golfers and sell them, lol. It's called enterprise!

Quote from: Nickmsi on November 14, 2018, 02:36:04 PM
Great job Bally6354. 

It shows not only how to use Cycles of Dozens/Columns but also how to make a Binary function of Dozens/Columns by using
Same and Different.

Cheers

Nick

Thanks Nick, it's an efficient way to play. I tried many different angles with single numbers but I think this way is more reliable for consistency.

Hello Blue Angel, if you use the multiple streams as outlined above, you will often be betting either 2 dozens or 2 columns or possibly one of each for that extra coverage.

Cheers

Here is the sheet using the dozens and columns with an extra stream for each as described above.

cheers

You can get some nice little runs playing like this as in the example below on the columns.

One slightly advanced way which doesn't affect the rules is to run a separate stream for the dozens and for the columns. It tends to balance things out a bit more if you wanted to run something like the 'holloway' rise and fall for example.

How do you do that?

Say for example number 23 goes to 36, so that's 2nd dozen to 3rd dozen. Then 2 > 3 = 1.

So 1 > 1 = 3.
1 > 2 = 1.
1 > 3 = 2.

2 > 1 = 2.
2 > 2 = 3.
2 > 3 = 1.

3 > 1 = 1.
3 > 2 = 2.
3 > 3 = 3.

For Columns.

A > A = C.
A > B = A.
A > C = B.

B > A = B.
B > B = C.
B > C = A.

C > A = A.
C > B = B.
C > C = C.

The only tricky bit here using the multiple streams is having to calculate the bet.

So for example using the Columns.

C
A = A
B = A
So if I was looking for A to appear again in the second stream, I would need to bet column C because B to C = A.

Pretty easy when you get the hang of it and I will do another sheet to show how this works later.

Cheers.

Here is an example sheet. I have recorded all the wins in green and losses in red and also included instructions on how it plays out. It's pretty straightforward really. You would only bet a further 2 spins down the line for a repeat when you see a 'same' or 'diff'.
Exceptions are when you get either a 'same' or 'diff' follow either a 'same' or 'diff' on the very next spin in which case you will delay the bet a further spin. You would also need to switch over sides if for example a 'diff' followed 'same' on the very next spin and bet 'diff' instead of 'same' in a further 2 spins. It's all recorded and explained clearly in the  sheet. As always, just ask if you don't understand anything.

cheers

Over the next few days, I will post up my final roulette strategy. I don't promise the HG but it's an interesting and easy way to play when you get the hang of it and more than holds its own as anyone interested will find out.

It revolves around the dozens and columns where anyone playing it would be making a single bet of either a dozen or column for 1 spin attempt. So you either win 2 units or lose 1 unit if flat betting and then wait for the next attack.

The first thing to understand is how I define the cycles. It's exactly the same for either the dozens or columns.

Here is an excel sheet explaining it. Any questions, just ask!

The stats for the doublets get interesting when you run two different streams.

So taking the 4 combinations which could be anything really...…

11
12
22
21

I got the following after a few more short tests....

11 = 48/6 = 8 (weakest)
12 = 41/12 = 3.5
22 = 41/9 = 4.5
21 = 45/13 = 3.5

2nd test

11 = 30/6 = 5
12 = 39/13 = 3
22 = 21/3 = 7 (weakest)

21 = 39/13 = 3


Based on that info, my approach would be to play against the weakest when opportunities arose.


cheers

Thanks Nick for starting another interesting thread on ideas surrounding non-random concepts.

I did a quick 200 spin test using random.org to test the doublets just to see how the averages performed and they were pretty much in line with what the video suggested. It's always great to see things in a different light because it gets the creativity going.

Cheers Nick!

I am looking forward to reading/studying your part 2 of using math to beat Roulette/Baccarat. I know there are quite a few of us still looking into the 'non-random' concept and it will be interesting to read about any new developments.

Now just thinking about it, I seem to remember you can't get a mutual bet situation up to spin 6. You can only get them from spin 7 onwards. So using the 2 streams like above up to spin 6 maybe isn't such a bad way instead of playing just the one stream through to spin 9.

cheers