Quote from: Sputnik on February 12, 2013, 07:13:35 AM

Is like me saying that we should use the dealers release and nothing more.
Then spin length would be random, rotor would be random, deflector hits would be random.

If you are going to implement physics into the game, then rap your mind around it first.

Well there is nothing stopping anyone going the whole 9 yards if that's what they want to do! I find the bias wheel approach very interesting if we are talking about the physical aspect of the game.

OK, back to the voodoo side.....

I put the spins from above into three cycles of 12 spins using the streets.

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Quote from: RouletteKEY on February 12, 2013, 01:54:22 AM

I think on the other board the discussion regarding CW vs CCW was in situations such as some airball machines that spin one direction twice and then reverese for two spins or alternate direction every spin.  Most of the live dealer wheels I play they just keep 'em spinning in all one direction all the time. 
I don't know if there is a discernable difference on most, some, or any wheels...but if you're tracking and testing...why not include all variables and be as thorough as possible?  If something is there that can be useful you have isolated it, analyzed it and can choose to use or not use it...or you can see that it makes no difference whatsoever and remove it from consideration and move on.
Just my thoughts on that aspect of the discussion.

Definately RouletteKEY!

Players should ALWAYS do their own research and not just take someone's word on something. 

Now let's convert the first 12 numbers and turn the idea into streets.

14
24=08 32=11
35=12 14=05
12=04 36=12
12=04 00=00
14=05 29=10
08=03 28=10
03=01 19=07
14=05 27=09
24=08 32=11
16=06 01=01
21=07 21=07
27=09 06=02

First pic is of the wheel layout streets.

Second pic is of the CW distance streets.

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This is working on a 12 spin cycle bearing in mind it's streets.

So you can see that you nearly always get some kind of clump effect going on whichever way you dice and slice it.

cheers

Let's convert the first 18 numbers from above and turn the idea into splits.

14
24=12 32=17
35=17 14=08
12=06 36=18
12=06 00=00
14=08 29=14
08=05 28=13
03=03 19=10
14=08 27=15
24=12 32=17
16=07 01=01
21=12 21=12
27=15 06=03
12=06 22=10
11=05 18=09
16=07 07=04
25=13 23=11
21=12 35=17
33=18 17=08

First pic is of the wheel layout splits.

Second pic is of the CW distance splits.

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This is working on an 18 spin cycle bearing in mind it's splits.

Here is another pic of a 37 spin cycle using the wheel layout.

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One way to attack this could be to wait for two joining numbers to have a total of 4 (with 2 hits on each number) This is double the expected rate. You would then bet looking for another hit on one of those two numbers for the remainder of the 37 spin cycle.

You could use both the wheel layout and CW distances to look for betting opportunities. Most numbers would not even qualify because of lack of hits and you would not be chasing numbers for ever by using the 37 spin cycle.

There appears to be some interest on this topic at the moment on different forums.

It is something that I spent a lot of time studying.

So I will share some ideas and thoughts on the subject.

My personal opinion is that it makes no difference seperating spins between CW and CCW.

You can just as easily use one or the other full stop.

Here is one thing that always stood out for me...

I will write out 37 numbers and the CW distances for all 37 numbers.

(I just got these numbers from r-xtreme)

14
24 32
35 14
12 36
12 00
14 29
08 28
03 19
14 27
24 32
16 01
21 21
27 06
12 22
11 18
16 07
25 23
21 35
33 17
23 32
01 06
22 05
25 16
00 30
34 09
28 23
18 34
24 28
13 29
18 17
15 10
00 35
25 07
16 14
11 30
36 36
09 14
35 07

So the numbers on the left are the actual numbers that appeared and the numbers on the right are the CW distances.

Now look at the following two pictures where I have marked in the numbers that appeared with a 1.

The first pic is the CW distances and the second pic is the wheel layout.

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There are a few things to notice here.

Both sets more or less always confirm to the 'rule of the third'.

The other thing is how you get clumps appearing.

The two examples I circled are both showing more than double the expected hits.

You will see this most of the time and it does not matter how you arrange the numbers.

More to come....

cheers.

Quote from: Sputnik on February 11, 2013, 02:50:13 PM
Bally do you play real wheels with dealer or just air ball ?

Hello Sputnik

I prefer the automated wheels at a real B+M casino because the time is a constant 45 seconds between spins. It's just me vs the machine and I like that.

Dino

A lot of casinos in the UK have replaced the type of autowheel machine I prefer to play on with the newer type of airball machines. Now my personal opinion is that they certainly don't go out of their way to improve the players chances. Also I prefer to stick with what's working for me.

cheers

Quote from: Dino246 on February 11, 2013, 01:13:36 PM
Bally,your playing Airball....yes?

Dino

No, I am playing on the autowheel.

The wheel lifts up and the ball dissapears after each spin and then the ball gets fired out of the side of the machine on the next round.

cheers

Quote from: Trebor on February 11, 2013, 11:25:29 AM
I thought autowheel and airball were one in the same thing.

Here is a pic of a wheel that is used for the autowheel I am playing on...

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You can see that the pockets are more deep than the pic below which is one of the newer airball type machines.

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The autowheel that I am playing on has been there for about 5/6 years. They never changed over to the newer ones like a lot of other casinos did.

A lot of numbers in the 1-6 line were appearing during those 50 or so spins and I obviously have no idea what was going on before I got there. That is why I am thinking the computer may have flagged up some data which made them close it down.

There are different ways to look at it.

You could say there are no strange patterns and everything is random and therefore possible. Or you could say that you have never seen anything like that before and think it all a bit weird.

This is one of the older style autowheels. The pockets are fairly deep unlike the new ones where the ball looks really light and skips around the shallow pockets.

I am not sure if you could get a bias on one of these new machines but I certainly think it would be possible on some of the older ones.

I will be going back this afternoon to see if it's open again.

The autowheel that I play on at my local casino was shut down this afternoon.

It's certainly the first time I have ever seen that happen.

The second dozen went missing for roughly 20 spins. Then after a double 15, it went missing for a further 33 spins.

I came back from dinner and it was closed. The manager said that there was some kind of malfunction with it. 

Now obviously the second dozen can't just go missing on purpose. I wonder if they have some kind of bias analysis software and it triggered some kind of red flag.

My personal view is that it's a ridiculous idea!

However it is a shame that people just can't get on with one another or at least try and avoid confrontation with people who they don't get along with.

We are all adults here and I really don't see the need for this idea.


cheers

I think all of us here deserve to win. It is just getting into that winning routine and then maintaining that discipline to quit when ahead.

cheers

My local casino has 8 roulette tables and there is a Hungarian guy that turns up every weekend and all he does is wander between the tables all night looking for his triggers. He only plays 2 dozens. Win or lose and he is off to another table.

Poor Villa!

I wonder if Paul Lambert wishes he had stayed at Norwich now.

The grass is always greener and all that.....