One thing I need to add regarding leaving out the 12 street.

You never mark it when charting.

So for example......

Let's say street 11 travels to street 11 again.

The Master Chart has the following....

11-11 = 11,12.

You would just mark in the 11.

example....

31=11

32=11 (11)

You will ALWAYS have 10 numbers in total in the bracketed numbers once you have your missing street.

Like this....


10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,*)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (*,**,**)

13=5 (*,*,*)

5=2 (*,*,*) *7*

16=6 (*,*,*) *7*

11=4 (*,*,**) *7*

30=10 (*,**,**) *7*

21=7 (6,*,*) *3*

33=11 (4,11) *3*

19=7 (*,8) *3*

13=5 (*,*,**) *3*

28=10 (5,9,10) *3*

2=1 (1,3,7) *2*

Count all the numbers in the brackets. There are 10. You have 2 missing. One is your missing street and the other one is the 12 street.

More info regarding the 12 street....

The only way the 12 can appear is if you get a repeat street or the actual 12 street itself (34,35,36) appears.

This would only be a two chip bet if you saw that it was coming out like wildfire in one shape or another and wanted to bet for it.

More info regarding the missing street....

Let's say street 5 (13,14,15) was your missing street and number 32 has just appeared.

Let's also assume the missing street has come in on the last two spins and it is clumping and you want to just continue betting for the missing street to keep appearing (which can obviously happen from time to time)

All you would do is just look for any 5 in the 11 block on the Master Chart.

Let's have a look!

11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5. *
11-5=5,6. *
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.


I have put an * next to where the 5's are.

You can see that there are only two of them here.



So you can bet for the missing 12 or the missing street (or both combined) if you see either or both of them clumping together.

cheers.

So you can see how waiting for just one missing street and then adding the 12 in as the second missing street can throw up some nice winning runs.

These runs will come. You could play after a bad batch of spins hoping for some kind of correction scenario if you liked. Just wait for the positive indicators that things are changing and then test the waters with a bet.

Here is the next pic....

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So you can see there are four wins where the 3 and 12 went missing before the 3 finally appears.

Now the furthest back is the 2 where I have put the arrow!

This was a nice win streak first involving the missing 7 +12 and then the missing 3 + 12.

It had a W/L registry of WWW L WWWW L.

**To answer some of ophis's questions**

This way of tracking gives me an insight into what's happening. There are no hard and fast rules and that's why I said I never used the bot and only used the tracker. I like to work my way through things and get a feel for what's happening and go with the flow. That's what works best for me. I can only tell you the way I go about it. Every session is different and I adapt accordingly.

Let's say the missing street keeps appearing (excluding the 12) That is only a 2 or 3 chip bet and I play it if that's what is happening most of the time. It does not pay to keep betting on something that's not happening.

The numbers that have come out so far!


10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,*)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (*,**,**)

13=5 (*,*,*)

5=2 (*,*,*) *7*

16=6 (*,*,*) *7*

11=4 (*,*,**) *7*

30=10 (*,**,**) *7*

21=7 (6,*,*) *3*

33=11 (4,11) *3*

19=7 (*,8) *3*

13=5 (*,*,**) *3*

28=10 (5,9,10) *3*

2=1 (1,3,7) *2* (The new missing street is now the 2)

Here is the next pic...

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You can see that there are three wins with the missing 7 and 12 before the 7 finally appears.

Now the furthest back is the 3 where I have put an arrow.


The pics are a good illustration because only 1-3 X's can go into a row.
This leaves at least 9 empty boxes after every spin. So you can get an idea of how long one or two of these streets can go missing for.

Here are all the numbers so far.....

10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,*)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (1,**,**)

13=5 (*,5,*)

5=2 (2,*,*) *7*

16=6 (*,*,*) *7*

11=4 (4,8,**) *7*

30=10 (*,10,11) *7*

21=7 (6,7,9) *3* (The new missing street is now the 3)

I will run through another game throughout the day with some pictures and explain what's going on.

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The numbers that have come out so far!

10=4

5=2 (*,*,**)

7=3 (*,*,3)

4=2 (*,**,**)

1=1 (1,10,11)

13=5 (4,5,8)

5=2 (2,6,9) *7*

So you can see in the picture that the 7 and 12 column are empty.

These are my two missing streets.

Just ran a quick 100 spins through the tracker and all the upward curves in the pic are when just the 2 streets are missing.

Winning runs of....

WWWWWWWW

WWWWWWW

WWWWWW

You do get times when a few early hits can boost up the profits. However there are other times when it just eats up a few chps every spin and you are down 20-30 units before you know where you are.

Winning runs like the ones above can always dig you out of a hole.

cheers.

Quote from: roulettefan on January 27, 2013, 11:42:03 PM
great job bally

have you done a lot of test

you consider this version safer and wining in the long run?

Hello roulettefan

I definately prefer playing it this way. It suits my conservative nature.

One thing about playing it this way is that you get some real streaky sessions.

My record for a missing street using this method is 15+

One of the best MM plans that works great with it is the 'pluscoup progression'

That's the one where you stay level on a loss and go up 1 on a win if you are not in profit for that series. It almost doubles the profits compared to flat betting.

One thing that I have noticed is that the missing streets do tend to appear in swarms.

It always pays to be watchful.

cheers

Here is the new thread titled 'system9revisited' 

http://betselection.cc/street/system9-revisited/msg8515/?topicseen#msg8515

Here are the numbers again that I will be using in this quick session.

20
13
4
11
9
20
3
22
7
31
16
13
29
1
11
30
19
9
17
2

Now running these numbers through the tracker/bot would have finished at -12 with a highest drawdown of -23.

The way I am going to show you would have finished at +22 with a highest drawdown of -7. It is less volatile and can throw up some long winning runs.
　
I first of all need to write 1 - 11 on the top of the page.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

20=7 (this signals 20 is the first number out and belongs to street 7)

13=5 (5,9,10) (13 is the next number out and is street 5. This is where I use my chart.
Street 7 travelled to street 5. Look for the 7-5 on the chart.)

It should show as follows.....7-5 = 5,9,10. You then write the 5,9,10 next to the 13=5 like I did above.

You also need to cross out the 5,9,10 from the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 that you wrote at the top of the page.

So it should look like this now...

1 2 3 4 * 6 7 8 * ** 11

20=7

13=5 (5,9,10)

The numbers will get crossed out of the 1-11 at the top of the page as they appear.

You can see this happening if you play about with the tracker putting in numbers.

The tracker looks for potential bets straight away. What I am doing here is waiting until there is just one number left in the 1-11 at the top of the page.

The next number out is 4 which belongs to street 2.

The page should now look like this...

1 * 3 4 * * 7 8 * ** 11

20=7

13=5 (5,*,10)

4=2 (2,6,9)

Street 5 travelled to street 2. Look for the 5-2 on the chart. It shows 2,6,9.

Now I already have a previous 9. It needs to be crossed out. You can not have two of the same numbers in the brackets.

Always cross out the one which is furthest back.

You can see where I did this... 13=5 (5,*10)

I also crossed out the 2 and 6 from the 1-11 at the top of the page.

So now I will write out the numbers as they come out up to the point where I have just one number left in the 1-11.
　
* * * * * * * 8 * ** **
20=7

13=5 (5,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,9)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,7)

3=1 (1,6) *8*

The 8 is now the only number that has not appeared from the 1-11. This is my missing street.

So now I am ready to look for my first bet. I use the same chart as before.

It is multi-purpose and is used for both tracking and betting.

(now you might be asking at this point what happened to the 12 street?)

That was not included at the top of the page. I only used 1-11.

I always count the 12 as my 2nd missing street.

So 8 and 12 are missing. I always have two missing streets. Never less, never more.

Now the last number out was number 3 which belongs to street 1.

Go to where all the 1's are in the chart. 1-1, 1-2 etc...

This is what it looks like....

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)

Now remember the my two missing streets are 8 and 12.

So I look through all 1's and will back every street that does NOT have an 8 or 12 in the brackets.

So I will put an * next to all those.

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2) *
1-3 = (2,3,4) *
1-4 = (3,4,6) *
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10) *
1-7 = (6,7,11) *
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10) *
1-11 = (3,10,11) *
1-12 = (1,11,12)

There are 7 streets in total with NO 8 or 12 in them.

I will bet on these 7 streets.

The next number out was 22.

Unfortunately this belonged to street 8 and was a loss!

Now how here is one of the most important parts to remember!

The missing 8 has appeared. This means they now needs to be a new missing street to go with the 12.

Here is what needs to happen.

20=7

13=5 (5,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,9)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,7)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9) ***so what I need to do is this****

I cross out the furthest back 7 and 9 as usual. Now looking like this....

20=7

13=5 (5,*,*)

4=2 (*,*,*)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,*)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9)

And I also use the furthest back number (which happens to be the 5) as my new missing street.

So I need to cross that out as well. Now looking like this...
　
20=7

13=5 (*,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,*)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,*)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9) *5* NO. (The no signals the previous sleeping 8 did not continue) (The *5* is the new sleeper)

So Now I need to look for my next bet.

The last number out was 22 belonging to street 8.

So I go to where all the 8's are in the chart this time.

I am not going to back anything with a 5 or 12 in it.

The * marks any bets.

8-1 = (1,3,5)
8-2 = (2,5,6)
8-3 = (3,7) *
8-4 = (4,8,9) *
8-5 = (5,9,11)
8-6 = (1,6,10) *
8-7 = (2,7,11) *
8-8 = (8,12)
8-9 = (1,9,10) *
8-10 = (2,8,10) *
8-11 = (3,6,11) *
8-12 = (4,12)

There are 7 streets for me to bet with no 8 or 12 in them.

The next number out was 7 which belongs to street 3.

That was a winner.

The screen picture I uploaded above shows all the remaining bets and results.

cheers.

This will be an explanation of how I would play system9 a little bit differently from the tracker/bot. It is a less volatile way to play.

I will upload the Master Chart here which contains everything you need for tracking and betting.

Master Chart.

1-1=1,12.
1-2=1,2.
1-3=2,3,4.
1-4=3,4,6.
1-5=4,5,8.
1-6=5,6,10.
1-7=6,7,11.
1-8=7,8,9.
1-9=7,8,9.
1-10=5,9,10.
1-11=3,10,11.
1-12=1,11,12.

2-1=1,10,11.
2-2=2,12.
2-3=1,2,3.
2-4=2,4.
2-5=3,5,6.
2-6=4,6,8.
2-7=5,7,9.
2-8=6,7,8.
2-9=5,7,9.
2-10=3,8,10.
2-11=1,9,11.
2-12=10,11,12.

3-1=1,8,10.
3-2=2,10,11.
3-3=3,12,12.
3-4=1,2,4.
3-5=2,4,5.
3-6=3,6.
3-7=4,7.
3-8=5,8.
3-9=3,6,9.
3-10=1,7,10.
3-11=8,11.
3-12=9,12.

4-1=1,6,9.
4-2=2,8,10.
4-3=3,10,11.
4-4=4,12.
4-5=1,2,5.
4-6=2,4,6.
4-7=3,5,7.
4-8=3,4,8.
4-9=1,5,9.
4-10=6,10,11.
4-11=7,9,11.
4-12=7,8,12.

5-1=1,4,8.
5-2=2,6,9.
5-3=3,8,10.
5-4=4,10,11.
5-5=5,12.
5-6=1,2,6.
5-7=2,3,7.
5-8=1,3,8.
5-9=4,9,11.
5-10=5,9,10.
5-11=6,7,11.
5-12=5,7,12.

6-1=1,2,7.
6-2=2,4,8.
6-3=3,6,9.
6-4=4,8,10.
6-5=5,10,11.
6-6=6,12.
6-7=1,7.
6-8=2,8,11.
6-9=3,9.
6-10=4,7,10.
6-11=5,11.
6-12=3,6,12.

7-1=1,6.
7-2=2,3,7.
7-3=3,5,8.
7-4=4,7,9.
7-5=5,9,10.
7-6=6,11.
7-7=7,12.
7-8=1,8,10.
7-9=2,8,9.
7-10=3,6,10.
7-11=4,11.
7-12=2,5,12.

8-1=1,3,5.
8-2=2,5,6.
8-3=3,7.
8-4=4,8,9.
8-5=5,9,11.
8-6=1,6,10.
8-7=2,7,11.
8-8=8,12.
8-9=1,9,10.
8-10=2,8,10.
8-11=3,6,11.
8-12=4,12.

9-1=1,4,5.
9-2=2,5,7.
9-3=3,6,9.
9-4=4,7,11.
9-5=1,5,8.
9-6=3,6,9.
9-7=4,7,10.
9-8=2,8,11.
9-9=9,12.
9-10=1,10.
9-11=2,8,11.
9-12=3,6,12.

10-1=1,3,7.
10-2=2,4,9.
10-3=3,5,11.
10-4=1,4,6.
10-5=3,5,7.
10-6=5,6,8.
10-7=6,7,9.
10-8=4,8,10.
10-9=2,9,11.
10-10=10,12.
10-11=1,10,11.
10-12=2,8,12.

11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5.
11-5=5,6.
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.

12-1=1,11.
12-2=1,2.
12-3=3.
12-4=4,5.
12-5=5,7.
12-6=6,9.
12-7=7,10.
12-8=8.
12-9=6,9.
12-10=4,10.
12-11=2,11.
12-12=12.

Here is a screenshot of the session I will be running through.

I am going to start a separate thread and show you all how I would play system9 differently than just running the tracker/bot and playing it straight through.

Maybe ophis will have some spare time to make a few alterations to the tracker/bot and incorporate the changes.

Playing straight through using the tracker/bot is too volatile in my opinion.

Here is an example......

20 numbers from today.

20
13
4
11
9
20
3
22
7
31
16
13
29
1
11
30
19
9
17
2

Playing this straight through on the tracker/bot returns a figure of -12 with the highest drawdown at -23.

The way I am going to explain has a win of +22 and the highest drawdown was -7.

cheers

Quote from: esoito on January 25, 2013, 10:58:25 PM

The only bit that surprised me was Betfair's behaviour. I would have expected better than that from them.

Betfair have a bit of a chequered history to be honest.

They had a problem several years ago when one of their games made it impossible to lose and people started playing and winning for a few hours well the window of opportunity existed.

They decided to confiscate all winnings and even started taking money out from players bank accounts. (wrongly in some cases)

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/betfair.php

Ladbrokes are about to take over the betting exchange 'purple' and this may at last give Betfair something to think about if purple can get enough liquidity into the markets.

cheers

Quote from: spike on January 25, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
Like what? Name some countermeasures.

One of my golden rules is not to play at any casino which has anything to do with Playtech.

Here is the rundown...

Bet£3.65

This happened about 5 years ago.

I was playing in a syndicate and we were playing for reasonable money.

I was betting number 2 using a progression (stupid looking back on it)

Anyway, it never hit for ages and I ended up having about £40-£50 on it. I get a message saying that the server has disconnected. You don't need to be a genius to guess what number came up! I think they monitor players who are winning large sums of money regularly. I had took them out for about 3k that week and I reckon that was the moment they decided to teach me who the boss was. I complained and got all the usual stuff.

Betfred

I had a really good spell after opening up an account with these. I built my bank up to around 1k from a £50 deposit.

When I went to withdraw the money, they asked me for all kinds of different ID and kept saying the ID I was sending was not clear enough and could I resend it. This went on for weeks. I think it was obviously just a ploy for me to carry on playing and they were hoping I would hit a losing spell.

Betfair

I opened up an account with a small deposit and got that up to around £500 in a week or so! I went to withdraw it and they accused me of player fraud saying I already had another account with them in another name. Obviously this was stuff. So I went back and forwards for a few weeks and they eventually said that their decision was final and that they would not be paying me out. I did get my original deposit back.


It seems that from what happened to me and what I have read online that the group of casinos powered by Playtech software are not to be trusted.

You should be especially careful after I read your posts on the WOV forum.  I would make a small withdrawal first if you intend to play there just to make sure that everything is ok.

It's just my opinion, but I would rather play roulette any day of the week over betting horses or other types of sports betting. There is a guaranteed 35/1 payout on every spin of the wheel. 2.7% is not really the enemy the way I look at it. Some of these 'bookies benefit' handicaps have over rounds of 40%. Now that's what I call an edge! 

It would have been......

Thank $$$$ for roulette.