Here are the numbers again that I will be using in this quick session.

20
13
4
11
9
20
3
22
7
31
16
13
29
1
11
30
19
9
17
2

Now running these numbers through the tracker/bot would have finished at -12 with a highest drawdown of -23.

The way I am going to show you would have finished at +22 with a highest drawdown of -7. It is less volatile and can throw up some long winning runs.
　
I first of all need to write 1 - 11 on the top of the page.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11

20=7 (this signals 20 is the first number out and belongs to street 7)

13=5 (5,9,10) (13 is the next number out and is street 5. This is where I use my chart.
Street 7 travelled to street 5. Look for the 7-5 on the chart.)

It should show as follows.....7-5 = 5,9,10. You then write the 5,9,10 next to the 13=5 like I did above.

You also need to cross out the 5,9,10 from the 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 that you wrote at the top of the page.

So it should look like this now...

1 2 3 4 * 6 7 8 * ** 11

20=7

13=5 (5,9,10)

The numbers will get crossed out of the 1-11 at the top of the page as they appear.

You can see this happening if you play about with the tracker putting in numbers.

The tracker looks for potential bets straight away. What I am doing here is waiting until there is just one number left in the 1-11 at the top of the page.

The next number out is 4 which belongs to street 2.

The page should now look like this...

1 * 3 4 * * 7 8 * ** 11

20=7

13=5 (5,*,10)

4=2 (2,6,9)

Street 5 travelled to street 2. Look for the 5-2 on the chart. It shows 2,6,9.

Now I already have a previous 9. It needs to be crossed out. You can not have two of the same numbers in the brackets.

Always cross out the one which is furthest back.

You can see where I did this... 13=5 (5,*10)

I also crossed out the 2 and 6 from the 1-11 at the top of the page.

So now I will write out the numbers as they come out up to the point where I have just one number left in the 1-11.
　
* * * * * * * 8 * ** **
20=7

13=5 (5,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,9)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,7)

3=1 (1,6) *8*

The 8 is now the only number that has not appeared from the 1-11. This is my missing street.

So now I am ready to look for my first bet. I use the same chart as before.

It is multi-purpose and is used for both tracking and betting.

(now you might be asking at this point what happened to the 12 street?)

That was not included at the top of the page. I only used 1-11.

I always count the 12 as my 2nd missing street.

So 8 and 12 are missing. I always have two missing streets. Never less, never more.

Now the last number out was number 3 which belongs to street 1.

Go to where all the 1's are in the chart. 1-1, 1-2 etc...

This is what it looks like....

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)

Now remember the my two missing streets are 8 and 12.

So I look through all 1's and will back every street that does NOT have an 8 or 12 in the brackets.

So I will put an * next to all those.

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2) *
1-3 = (2,3,4) *
1-4 = (3,4,6) *
1-5 = (4,5,8}
1-6 = (5,6,10) *
1-7 = (6,7,11) *
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10) *
1-11 = (3,10,11) *
1-12 = (1,11,12)

There are 7 streets in total with NO 8 or 12 in them.

I will bet on these 7 streets.

The next number out was 22.

Unfortunately this belonged to street 8 and was a loss!

Now how here is one of the most important parts to remember!

The missing 8 has appeared. This means they now needs to be a new missing street to go with the 12.

Here is what needs to happen.

20=7

13=5 (5,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,9)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,7)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9) ***so what I need to do is this****

I cross out the furthest back 7 and 9 as usual. Now looking like this....

20=7

13=5 (5,*,*)

4=2 (*,*,*)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,*)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9)

And I also use the furthest back number (which happens to be the 5) as my new missing street.

So I need to cross that out as well. Now looking like this...
　
20=7

13=5 (*,*,**)

4=2 (*,*,*)

11=4 (2,*)

9=3 (3,10,11)

20=7 (4,*)

3=1 (1,6) *8* bet 2,3,4,6,7,10,11.

22=8 (7,8,9) *5* NO. (The no signals the previous sleeping 8 did not continue) (The *5* is the new sleeper)

So Now I need to look for my next bet.

The last number out was 22 belonging to street 8.

So I go to where all the 8's are in the chart this time.

I am not going to back anything with a 5 or 12 in it.

The * marks any bets.

8-1 = (1,3,5)
8-2 = (2,5,6)
8-3 = (3,7) *
8-4 = (4,8,9) *
8-5 = (5,9,11)
8-6 = (1,6,10) *
8-7 = (2,7,11) *
8-8 = (8,12)
8-9 = (1,9,10) *
8-10 = (2,8,10) *
8-11 = (3,6,11) *
8-12 = (4,12)

There are 7 streets for me to bet with no 8 or 12 in them.

The next number out was 7 which belongs to street 3.

That was a winner.

The screen picture I uploaded above shows all the remaining bets and results.

cheers.

This will be an explanation of how I would play system9 a little bit differently from the tracker/bot. It is a less volatile way to play.

I will upload the Master Chart here which contains everything you need for tracking and betting.

Master Chart.

1-1=1,12.
1-2=1,2.
1-3=2,3,4.
1-4=3,4,6.
1-5=4,5,8.
1-6=5,6,10.
1-7=6,7,11.
1-8=7,8,9.
1-9=7,8,9.
1-10=5,9,10.
1-11=3,10,11.
1-12=1,11,12.

2-1=1,10,11.
2-2=2,12.
2-3=1,2,3.
2-4=2,4.
2-5=3,5,6.
2-6=4,6,8.
2-7=5,7,9.
2-8=6,7,8.
2-9=5,7,9.
2-10=3,8,10.
2-11=1,9,11.
2-12=10,11,12.

3-1=1,8,10.
3-2=2,10,11.
3-3=3,12,12.
3-4=1,2,4.
3-5=2,4,5.
3-6=3,6.
3-7=4,7.
3-8=5,8.
3-9=3,6,9.
3-10=1,7,10.
3-11=8,11.
3-12=9,12.

4-1=1,6,9.
4-2=2,8,10.
4-3=3,10,11.
4-4=4,12.
4-5=1,2,5.
4-6=2,4,6.
4-7=3,5,7.
4-8=3,4,8.
4-9=1,5,9.
4-10=6,10,11.
4-11=7,9,11.
4-12=7,8,12.

5-1=1,4,8.
5-2=2,6,9.
5-3=3,8,10.
5-4=4,10,11.
5-5=5,12.
5-6=1,2,6.
5-7=2,3,7.
5-8=1,3,8.
5-9=4,9,11.
5-10=5,9,10.
5-11=6,7,11.
5-12=5,7,12.

6-1=1,2,7.
6-2=2,4,8.
6-3=3,6,9.
6-4=4,8,10.
6-5=5,10,11.
6-6=6,12.
6-7=1,7.
6-8=2,8,11.
6-9=3,9.
6-10=4,7,10.
6-11=5,11.
6-12=3,6,12.

7-1=1,6.
7-2=2,3,7.
7-3=3,5,8.
7-4=4,7,9.
7-5=5,9,10.
7-6=6,11.
7-7=7,12.
7-8=1,8,10.
7-9=2,8,9.
7-10=3,6,10.
7-11=4,11.
7-12=2,5,12.

8-1=1,3,5.
8-2=2,5,6.
8-3=3,7.
8-4=4,8,9.
8-5=5,9,11.
8-6=1,6,10.
8-7=2,7,11.
8-8=8,12.
8-9=1,9,10.
8-10=2,8,10.
8-11=3,6,11.
8-12=4,12.

9-1=1,4,5.
9-2=2,5,7.
9-3=3,6,9.
9-4=4,7,11.
9-5=1,5,8.
9-6=3,6,9.
9-7=4,7,10.
9-8=2,8,11.
9-9=9,12.
9-10=1,10.
9-11=2,8,11.
9-12=3,6,12.

10-1=1,3,7.
10-2=2,4,9.
10-3=3,5,11.
10-4=1,4,6.
10-5=3,5,7.
10-6=5,6,8.
10-7=6,7,9.
10-8=4,8,10.
10-9=2,9,11.
10-10=10,12.
10-11=1,10,11.
10-12=2,8,12.

11-1=1,2,9.
11-2=2,3,11.
11-3=1,3,4.
11-4=3,4,5.
11-5=5,6.
11-6=6,7.
11-7=7,8.
11-8=6,8,9.
11-9=4,9,10.
11-10=2,10,11.
11-11=11,12.
11-12=1,10,12.

12-1=1,11.
12-2=1,2.
12-3=3.
12-4=4,5.
12-5=5,7.
12-6=6,9.
12-7=7,10.
12-8=8.
12-9=6,9.
12-10=4,10.
12-11=2,11.
12-12=12.

Here is a screenshot of the session I will be running through.

I am going to start a separate thread and show you all how I would play system9 differently than just running the tracker/bot and playing it straight through.

Maybe ophis will have some spare time to make a few alterations to the tracker/bot and incorporate the changes.

Playing straight through using the tracker/bot is too volatile in my opinion.

Here is an example......

20 numbers from today.

20
13
4
11
9
20
3
22
7
31
16
13
29
1
11
30
19
9
17
2

Playing this straight through on the tracker/bot returns a figure of -12 with the highest drawdown at -23.

The way I am going to explain has a win of +22 and the highest drawdown was -7.

cheers

Quote from: esoito on January 25, 2013, 10:58:25 PM

The only bit that surprised me was Betfair's behaviour. I would have expected better than that from them.

Betfair have a bit of a chequered history to be honest.

They had a problem several years ago when one of their games made it impossible to lose and people started playing and winning for a few hours well the window of opportunity existed.

They decided to confiscate all winnings and even started taking money out from players bank accounts. (wrongly in some cases)

http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/betfair.php

Ladbrokes are about to take over the betting exchange 'purple' and this may at last give Betfair something to think about if purple can get enough liquidity into the markets.

cheers

Quote from: spike on January 25, 2013, 09:58:27 PM
Like what? Name some countermeasures.

One of my golden rules is not to play at any casino which has anything to do with Playtech.

Here is the rundown...

Bet£3.65

This happened about 5 years ago.

I was playing in a syndicate and we were playing for reasonable money.

I was betting number 2 using a progression (stupid looking back on it)

Anyway, it never hit for ages and I ended up having about £40-£50 on it. I get a message saying that the server has disconnected. You don't need to be a genius to guess what number came up! I think they monitor players who are winning large sums of money regularly. I had took them out for about 3k that week and I reckon that was the moment they decided to teach me who the boss was. I complained and got all the usual stuff.

Betfred

I had a really good spell after opening up an account with these. I built my bank up to around 1k from a £50 deposit.

When I went to withdraw the money, they asked me for all kinds of different ID and kept saying the ID I was sending was not clear enough and could I resend it. This went on for weeks. I think it was obviously just a ploy for me to carry on playing and they were hoping I would hit a losing spell.

Betfair

I opened up an account with a small deposit and got that up to around £500 in a week or so! I went to withdraw it and they accused me of player fraud saying I already had another account with them in another name. Obviously this was stuff. So I went back and forwards for a few weeks and they eventually said that their decision was final and that they would not be paying me out. I did get my original deposit back.


It seems that from what happened to me and what I have read online that the group of casinos powered by Playtech software are not to be trusted.

You should be especially careful after I read your posts on the WOV forum.  I would make a small withdrawal first if you intend to play there just to make sure that everything is ok.

It's just my opinion, but I would rather play roulette any day of the week over betting horses or other types of sports betting. There is a guaranteed 35/1 payout on every spin of the wheel. 2.7% is not really the enemy the way I look at it. Some of these 'bookies benefit' handicaps have over rounds of 40%. Now that's what I call an edge! 

It would have been......

Thank $$$$ for roulette. 

 
I had Kaspersky at the time when ophis first released this and I never had any problems downloading it then. Although I just used it as a tracker and didn't use the bot.

Let's hope Port Vale win tonight!

It will be beans on toast for a week if they don't. 

Quote from: Bayes on January 24, 2013, 06:33:31 PM
There's even a short chapter on roulette (the author's say DON'T play it.  )

Download Link

cheers Bayes 

I have a lot of  the old smartsig magazines and I can never remember a roulette system published 

I will wade through them again and see if there is anything of interest that I can find.

One of the main problems is that the regulatory bodies mostly consist of a group of people who could not really give a flying fig about the ordinary punter in the street.

The gambling industry is fuelled by greed and you can't expect them to be saints considering many of our so called pillars of society are mostly just interested in making a quick buck nowadays. The gambling industry needs properly regulating and that just is not happening.

I don't expect it to get better anytime soon.

Quote from: Bayes on January 24, 2013, 07:48:02 AM
Bally, according to Casinomeister they have a high score and have been accredited since 2007 -

http://www.casinomeister.com/accredited_casinos/bet365casino.php

Question is, can Casinomeister be trusted? 

Wikipedia on Bet365

I think that site caters mostly to 'slot jockeys' which I always find a bit ironic considering the nature of the site. 

However to be fair, I have noticed that the 'meister' has acted even on casinos who were pretty high up the pecking order.

Betfred were one of his best advertised casinos last year and he took them of the accredited list for previous misdiscretions. They then got reinstated and now they are off again.

I have said in the past that there are too many smarmy casino affiliates on that site and that still holds true.

What does any of that have to do with bet365?

Well, I know they were in trouble recently in Australia. It had something to do with the tote pools at the racetracks.

They are implicated in this rogue software scandal.

They knock back customers left right and centre in the uk. They are not called bet £3.65 for nothing!! 

My experience on the live casino front is that they will take countermeasures once you start getting ahead and it looks like you are a hard nut to crack.

cheers

 
I used to target bet365 for just small regular wins. Everything went well for a while and then I started getting connection problems with them. Now I know this can happen from time to time but it only happened on my winnng bets. Complaining to them brought me no joy and the girl said nothing when I told her I was going to close my account and take my business elsewhere. So that's what I did.

I would stay away from playtech casinos if I were you Spike.

William Hill are another one of these and they have a pretty bad rap lately on the forums for non payment and closing accounts.

playtech....

bet365
betfred
william hill
prestige
europa

There are loads of them. I wouldn't trust any of them lot to be honest.


I have never had a problem with the following...

dublinbet

smartlive

fairway

ladbrokes

Spike! They are not honest!

They are in violation of a license they hold with the GRA.

Here is part of a thread on Casinomeister at the moment........



To ensure that my investigation isn't seen as targeting Betfred i've conducted the same test at Bet 365.

100 spins on real play - 4 double numbers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=368_D...ature=youtu.be

350 spins on free play - no double numbers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgTwq...ature=youtu.be - odds of occurence 1 in 62,623,617.


here is the full thread if you are interested
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casino-complaints-non-bonus-issues/54475-finsoft-spielo-g2-games-rigged-rogue-software-53.html

bet365 are just as much implicated in this current scandal as betfred are.

It does not surprise me either with the history I had with them.

You will get along fine with them as long as you don't intend winning.

enough said!

Quote from: Sputnik on January 23, 2013, 09:47:59 PM
  I remember some of the old names, this bobbybobby guy scam SeeJerek in the past with Kimo Li strategy and there was money involved.

That is what I was alluding to regarding the holyman threads!

The majority of threads on that site are not worth investigating.

I don't mind admitting I have probably trawled through every roulette message board throughout the years just looking for bits and pieces of info that I could work with.

My personal opinion is numerology and the matrix stuff don't work.

cheers