Quote from: Gizmotron on January 04, 2013, 08:57:34 PM
The only time bet selection fails is because change occurs.

I will throw a spanner in the works and say that's correct as long as you are not involving some kind of trigger as well.

I know a lot of guys have moved away from triggers but it's not impossible that they may be a few decent ones lurking about under the surface. Don't discount anything. You never know what might turn up!

Joseph Jagger (AP)

Pelayos (AP)

Norman Leigh (non-AP)

Billy Walters (AP)

Ken Uston (AP)

Patrick o'neil Dunne (non-AP)

What do all these guys have in common?

They all played as part of a team and all claimed to win at their chosen game!

Do we underestimate the difficulty of winning by playing alone?

I am not talking about the recreational player here. More about someone who is playing with an idea to supplement his/her income. You may say that can't be done. The people above claimed to do it. Two of them are non-AP as well!

Has anybody here played as part of a team! How did it go?

What would be the advantages and disadvantages?

Here is a nice quote Albalaha....

There have been countless mathematical systems created for the random game. All of them fail miserably because the player still has a negative expectation each spin, regardless of the amount wagered. However what happens when the player has a positive expectation each spin?

Answer: Many of these worthless mathematical systems can then actually work!

Quote from: JohnLegend on January 04, 2013, 05:13:00 PM
I had a feeling of deja vu reading this tale. Im sure I've read it somewhere before.

I tell my story on every gambling forum I go on! So you probably have! 

I wouldn't worry too much JL. There are plenty of casinos out there. The one thing that strikes me reading a lot of books is the real pros work in teams. A one man outfit could certainly outstay his welcome if he got TOO greedy!

Thank you!  I have enjoyed following all the action over the last week.

I like your style Ralph! You have a plan for everything! 

So what in your opinion do you feel the most comfortable playing from everything you have shown us over the last week.

cheers

Yet guys like John Patrick and the 'computer salesman' do just fine! 

Maybe the casino are not too worried about those two!


This is a true story what happened to a good friend of mine back in the 90's.

He was a professional shuffle tracker at the game of blackjack.

He went to greece thinking it would be some easy money and the casinos would not catch on to what he was doing.

So he won a large sum of money equivalent to about 20,000 euros.

He went out and had a meal and did not return to his hotel room immediately.

He was in for a surprise when he did get back. The room had been completely trashed and some of his papers went missing.

coincidence or not?

Maybe it was a good job he was not in the room at the time!


On the other side of the coin.......

I know several people who work within the industry. They all say that they are not concerned about anyone who wins money at roulette unless they are cheating.
They know it's a game of luck and that is true.

cheers.

I have cleaned up this thread a bit!

It's not about selling so-called holy grails.

Anybody with a holy grail could be out playing it or entrusting colleagues to play it for them and get slowly rich. They would not be on here talking about it.

Thank you!

Hello Sam

I ordered the book last night and will put up some of his progression twists once it arrives.

His book was recommended to me by several people. My goal for 2013 is to learn as much about MM as I can.

p.s. The fibonacci sequence is 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89.

I think your example is using the D'alembert.

esoito

I just hope a few of you get some enjoyment from reading the book and that it maybe helps some of you with your betting. Roulette is my main focus and most of my energy goes in that direction at the moment. I don't really have time for anything else.

cheers 

Thanks esoito 

I will send away for a copy. (used of course)

It is basically the following......


Go up one step after each loss and down one step after a win and start over after back-to-back wins or 2-out-of-3 wins.

He wrote a book in 1995 titled 'Beat the casino'. This is one of the many ideas he shared.

cheers

p.s. It would be nice if somebody had a copy of that book. 

Quote from: Bally6354 on December 21, 2012, 10:55:51 AM

I have a book on an old hard drive which was going to be published some time ago about horseracing and how to read the markets. It was actually banned from publication. The major bookmakers in the UK took out an injunction because they did not want this information made available to the general public. It did go into great detail about the relationships between different factions in racing and spelled things out pretty clear. That PC crashed but I will take the hard drive out and see if I can retrieve the data. I will put that up here if the hard drive was not damaged and the file lost.

The guy was open this morning and did manage to save some of my old stuff! 

Here it is.....

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c6xyftzkim1j2r1/Isiris%20Unveiled.pdf

I will get it next week and write it up on here.

What I liked about it was that there was nearly always a selection which was a clear pick over the rest of the traps. This in an individual race would normally mean a skinny price however the prices for the trap challenge normally start around the 7/2 mark. I have had a few nice 5/1 and 11/2 winners with it!

Quote from: esoito on December 31, 2012, 11:40:32 PM
Just a thought:  I wonder if we're all working from a shared meaning of the word "consistent".

The whole poll hangs on that specific word, doesn't it?

That's true. So consistent has to mean you can overcome the 2.70% or 5.40% disadvantage. Otherwise you are not really winning!

[Edit:  I've added this to the first post so voters are sharing the same meaning of the word. ]