I think it's fair to say that was a definate non-trier.

Drifted from 13/2 out to 10/1 a few minutes before the race and it finished nowhere. 

Laddies knew about that one. 

Hello guys

I have added Stetson's book to my dropbox account just in case any of you are wondering what the fuss is about.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zmwixa1giyo9rsm/Stetson%20Bailey.pdf?m

Ignore the Craps title. This can be applied to most things! 

It would appear that Ertikaan is not going to be very busy in the 14.00 at Lingfield this afternoon. I will be laying it to win a few pounds.

One of my favourite gambling authors Stetson Bailey says you have to accept the fact that you are going to have more losing bets than winning bets. He then goes on to say that you will need to find a way to have more money on the winning bets to make up for the higher percentage of losing bets. So you would have to use some kind of progressive betting if old Stetson is correct.

One thing I have learned through experience is that there is never really a right or wrong way. (Or maybe a better way of putting that is that it does not pay to have too much of an extreme view one way or the other when it comes to gambling. ie.. bet selection vs progressions) The truth normally is somewhere in the middle. It would be beneficial to understand the benefits of both bet selection and good MM. They can both be used to good effect.

Welcome to the forum HoneyBooBoo. 

This is a very interesting thread regarding Ladbrokes and Bet365 trying to discourage the arbers. It is proving profitable to follow.

http://community.betfair.com/horse_racing/go/thread/view/94102/29510953/365-and-laddies-stoop-to-new-caped-crusader-low?pg=1

I will put you all out of your misery!

Number 10 is the only number on the single zero roulette wheel which has a number of both lower value and higher value on either side!

Oh well! Looks like I get to keep the prize! 

Good answers guys 

But not correct! (although you could argue they are both correct)

That was funny soggett 

Sorry soggett! I should have said it's a wheel layout puzzle. Does that give the game away?

Why is the number 10 on a single zero roulette wheel different to all the other numbers?

The first person with the correct answer wins a prize!

As a follow up....

I am more inclined to believe bots/programmes would be more beneficial in other areas as opposed to roulette.

Like....

sports betting/poker etc...

Is anybody using bots or programmes in these areas with a degree of success!

Thanks.

First of all, I would like to point out that all you guys who create bots and can programme have my utmost respect. I can only imagine it as a labour of love.

I would like to see what the general thoughts are from members and how useful (ie. profitable) they are.

I have got to be honest and say upfront that my views may be a bit biased. I am an old fashioned type of guy which means pen and paper. I don't use programmes or run simulations over thousands of spins. I like to study the game spin by spin. I personally feel that this has given me a great level of understanding and insight into the game of roulette.

I sometimes think that people who are maybe new at the game and jump straight into bots and programmes are jumping from A to G and are therefore missing out on B, C, D, E and F.

Another of my concerns would be playing online as opposed to playing at live B+M casinos.
Now there are many people even on here who are suggesting a lot of online casinos may be rigged in favour of the house. Obviously a bot or programme would be of no use to someone long term if this were the case. In fact you could argue that you would lose your money even faster if any of these accusations were true.  But the main problem then would be that the player would be like a fish out of water at a live B+M casino if he lived in a country where he could not use any device which runs these programmes. (I don't subscribe to these allegations but I have to say that I have not played a lot online. I am really a pretty infrequent online player and I jump around online casinos a lot. So even though I don't agree with it, it does not mean that it is not true to some degree.)

Those would be my concerns regarding bots and programmes. (+ online casinos)

Now for the positives.....

I am pretty certain from what I have read on the net that there are countries where it is not illegal to actually use a small PDA device to work out your calculations. (I am not talking about 'roulette computers' using physical approaches either.) 

I am talking about maybe a small programme which might help you with something like 'winkel's crossings' or maybe some of FLAT'S work.

This would be great for someone who maybe has a good understanding of the game and is looking to extract as much as information as he can in such a small timeframe. (and not working out what level he is at in the 'super-duper grand martingale with bells on' system)

I think you can see where I am coming from and I hope nobody takes it as a personal insult  who enjoys using or creating bots. It is just my personal views. I would be interested in hearing what others think.

cheers.

Playing splits are great!

One advantage is that you could be playing hot and cold at the same time instead of just hot on single numbers.

example....

You are playing hot numbers 1,9,23,35.

either 4, 12, 20 or 32 will beat you.

Playing the 1/4, 9/12, 20/23, 32/35 means you are a winner even if one of the colder numbers appear.

Keep up the good run Ralph! 

And just to put things into perspective regarding variance and roulette.

I was having a quick read over on the W.O.O site.

A blackjack player betting a spread of 1-4 ($25-$100) with a 5k bankroll. He was basically wanting to know how he stood. (The guy is counting cards)

here was the reply.....

''Good news is you are playing at an advantage of +0.85%.
Bad news is your risk of ruin is 35.2%.''

It's a sobering thought when we are playing against 2.70% (and some of us 5.40%)

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Quote from: dino246 on December 16, 2012, 09:06:10 PM
How many won on each step of the progression ?

Actually..... +34 would be wrong. Sometimes you would be just betting the 8 splits instead of either 2 dozens or 2 columns. This would have happened 5 times. So the gains would be slightly more.

But I honestly could not suggest it. What about if you get a streak of 5 O's. You don't want to be betting 1 1, 3 3, 9 9, 27 27, 81 81, 243 243.

That's  units 728 units just to win 1 unit. No thanks!

The above post was just to illustrate that you could be in for a long wait looking for a run of three O's.

If I was going to use something like that. (say just a three step 1 1, 3 3, 9 9. I would wait for the three O's and just take one bite at it.)

Waiting for the 'Run of Three' can be like watching Jonathan Trott bat 

This run went 54 spins without a run of three.

A 11, 33, 99  progression would have netted +34 units.

But I don't think it's worth the risk     

16 2A
15 2C
5 1B (3)
16 2A (3) S
21 2C (3) S
1 1A (3) S
18 2C (3) S
23 2B (3) S
5 1B (3) S
2 1B (3) S
25 3A (C) O.......RUN OF 1
20 2B (C) S
21 2C (1) O......RUN OF 1
34 3A (1) S
19 2A (1) S
18 2C (1) S
32 3B (1) S
10 1A (2C) O......RUN OF 1
32 3B (2C) S
20 2B (C) O.......RUN OF 1
31 3A (C) S
4 1A (C) S
5 1B (C) S
33 3C (2) O......RUN OF 1
2 1B (2) S
9 1C (2) S
12 1C (2) S
1 1A (2) S
6 1C (2) S
30 3C (2) S
19 2A (B) O.....RUN OF 1
18 2C (B) S
27 3C (B) S
29 3B (1) O
1 1A (2) O....RUN OF 2
11 1B (2) S
18 2C (3) O
27 3C (A) O.....RUN OF 2
26 3B (A) S
28 3A (1) O.....RUN OF 1
33 3C (1) S
14 2B (1) S
4 1A (3C) O.....RUN OF 1
20 2B (3C) S
22 2A (3C) S
26 3B (C) O
24 2C (1) O.....RUN OF 2
33 3C (1) S
17 2B (1) S
6 1C (A) O......RUN OF 1
15 2C (A) S
13 2A (3) O
35 3B (1) O.....RUN OF 2
22 2A (1) S