Here will be a place to share some of my thoughts and ideas! 

The only word of caution I would give having come up with similar strategies in the past is to have a stop loss for any game. I was thinking around 50 units for this particular one. That still gives you a hell of a lot of scope to catch a win. What you don't want is the occasional game where it just keeps throwing up repeat numbers. That can get expensive and ruins all the quick wins you will get for sure with an idea like this.

cheers.

Good videos Sam!

I like this idea. The bets can't get out of hand. I suppose the most you could end up betting is 6 numbers. Although I don't think that would happen often.

Hats off to Dane as well for coming up with such a simple clever idea.

My opinion is the internet age has advanced a lot of gamblers because of the knowledge and resources shared. The good points certainly overshadow the bad.

There is certainly enough info out there to make it a more level playing field.

cheers

It reminds me a bit of Winkel's 'win all you like' thread on the old VLS.

He was using the Fibonacci sequence however and betting DS.

Maybe just making that first post is all it takes just to get some confidence up.

I can remember it was pretty daunting when I made my first post on GG many moons ago.

I kept going back and checking my spelling and reading my post. 

Sharing anything roulette related is always appreciated. 

Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 06, 2012, 09:29:52 AM
            If someone understand randomness or probability attached with this game, he will never claim that he has something that can work all the time or even most of the time.

I am not a devout follower of John Patrick but he does repeat over and over in his books that gaining some experience and knowledge of the game can give you a 50/50 chance.

Heck, I wish I had a 50/50 chance when I first started playing roulette. 

cheers Sam.

I looked at Dane's instructions on VLS and I think he kind of messed them up a bit.

I understand your instructions and it's the kind of bet that I like because of the low initial outlay. You can get away to a flyer with these types of methods. I will give it a try.

thanks 

Oh goody! Another 'redneck production'

I love 'em. 

cheers

Thanks Sam.

I never thought of a 6x6 box before!

It opens up a whole new world! 

I did have one quick idea just thinking about it!

Here we go....

I will use the numbers Dane used in his first example.

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,10,11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,36

I will put the appearing numbers in ( ) like I just did with the 6.

Number 6 belongs to line 1.

Number 10 comes...

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,36

Only play in lines where you have a hit and play the opposites. Don't play a number already hit.
So now play 7,8,9,11 and 1,2,3,5.

36 comes...

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,(36)

So now play 7,8,9,11 and 1,2,3,5 and 31,32,33,35

27 comes...

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,(27),28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,(36)

Now play 7,8,11 and 1,2,5 and 31,32,35 and 25,26,29

31 comes...

You could restart after any win.

It's just an idea. I will play around with it a bit and see what happens. 

One thing that I am 100% convinced about is that there is no mechanical system that will win flat betting in the long term.

Conditions CAN change on every spin or stay the same. I think any winning flat bet system would need to keep evaluating things after every spin. (This is where progressions are appealing to some players because it kind of gives the illusion that a winner is just around the corner. So heck, why not just stick to the same numbers)

So it then comes down to how many different conditions can you spot and how you are going to go about tackling them. That is a lot of work you are talking about right there and not something that can be written up in a neat paragraph or two.

I always laugh when I read posters argue that a winning system should be simple. Tell that to Stanford Wong or Pelayos  . The trick eventually is to turn something very complex into something simple to play in the dragons den. I compare it to a recipe. A little bit less or a little bit more can sour the whole thing. It really does have to be just right.

cheers

Quote from: spike on December 05, 2012, 02:03:35 AM
But in roulette, that's not really true. Random outcomes
constantly change, nothing is ever the same for long,
change is the only constant. Its dependable, you can
count on it.

And this is what drives system developers nuts. They're
in denial of this fact, they shove it to the outskirts of
their conciousness. Constant change and systems
don't mesh, they're water and oil. Until you accept the
constant change that's always unfolding, you'll always
be barking up the wrong tree.

This is one of the biggest problems someone is going to face in a casino!

Player A takes his system to the casino after countless hours of testing sure that it's going to work just like it did on the kitchen table (or underground bunker)

What happens?

It can't win a spin. The system that won all day yesterday can't win a spin today. Player A starts panicking and then probably blows his bankroll on Auntie Ethel's birthday and house number. (I know this because it has happened to me. If only Auntie Ethel lived at number 24 instead of 22    )

Thanks gizmo 

I see where you are coming from. It just strikes me that it would make more sense to capitalize on good luck / timing as opposed to throwing more money at something when your luck is out / bad timing. One small advantage that I think we as players have is that we can choose when to bet and skip spins if we like. Using some kind of positive progression during an upswing in our fortunes could hit the jackpot. I sometimes think negative progressions are a very dangerous excuse just to bet on every spin. That is surely going to lead to disaster on one of those vicious downturns.

I have been thinking about this lately 

It really strikes me that positive progressions are the way to go.

Let's say that you bet 6 splits x $10 = $60.

You win and get back $180. That's a profit of $120.

Now here is the good part. You can increase your bet on the next spin and STILL keep some of the winnings from the previous bet!

So you could now go 6 splits x $15 = $90.

You win and get back $270. That's a profit of $180 plus the $120 you made on the last spin.

If you happened to lose that last bet.....

You are still in front over the 2 bets to the tune of $30.

Maybe the trick to playing positive progressions is the way I have mentioned above making sure you at least guarantee yourself some profit even if you lose the 2nd bet. (of course you would just stay at the base level should you lose the first bet)

I understand that you couldn't do it with even money bets and you are not always going to get long winning runs betting dozens but I have seen plenty of 2 dozen negative progression methods bust to know which one I would personally prefer to play.

cheers

 



finals 1, 2 and 6.

I am getting slow in my old age!!