Thanks Sam.

I never thought of a 6x6 box before!

It opens up a whole new world! 

I did have one quick idea just thinking about it!

Here we go....

I will use the numbers Dane used in his first example.

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,10,11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,36

I will put the appearing numbers in ( ) like I just did with the 6.

Number 6 belongs to line 1.

Number 10 comes...

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,36

Only play in lines where you have a hit and play the opposites. Don't play a number already hit.
So now play 7,8,9,11 and 1,2,3,5.

36 comes...

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,(36)

So now play 7,8,9,11 and 1,2,3,5 and 31,32,33,35

27 comes...

1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,(27),28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,(36)

Now play 7,8,11 and 1,2,5 and 31,32,35 and 25,26,29

31 comes...

You could restart after any win.

It's just an idea. I will play around with it a bit and see what happens. 

One thing that I am 100% convinced about is that there is no mechanical system that will win flat betting in the long term.

Conditions CAN change on every spin or stay the same. I think any winning flat bet system would need to keep evaluating things after every spin. (This is where progressions are appealing to some players because it kind of gives the illusion that a winner is just around the corner. So heck, why not just stick to the same numbers)

So it then comes down to how many different conditions can you spot and how you are going to go about tackling them. That is a lot of work you are talking about right there and not something that can be written up in a neat paragraph or two.

I always laugh when I read posters argue that a winning system should be simple. Tell that to Stanford Wong or Pelayos  . The trick eventually is to turn something very complex into something simple to play in the dragons den. I compare it to a recipe. A little bit less or a little bit more can sour the whole thing. It really does have to be just right.

cheers

Quote from: spike on December 05, 2012, 02:03:35 AM
But in roulette, that's not really true. Random outcomes
constantly change, nothing is ever the same for long,
change is the only constant. Its dependable, you can
count on it.

And this is what drives system developers nuts. They're
in denial of this fact, they shove it to the outskirts of
their conciousness. Constant change and systems
don't mesh, they're water and oil. Until you accept the
constant change that's always unfolding, you'll always
be barking up the wrong tree.

This is one of the biggest problems someone is going to face in a casino!

Player A takes his system to the casino after countless hours of testing sure that it's going to work just like it did on the kitchen table (or underground bunker)

What happens?

It can't win a spin. The system that won all day yesterday can't win a spin today. Player A starts panicking and then probably blows his bankroll on Auntie Ethel's birthday and house number. (I know this because it has happened to me. If only Auntie Ethel lived at number 24 instead of 22    )

Thanks gizmo 

I see where you are coming from. It just strikes me that it would make more sense to capitalize on good luck / timing as opposed to throwing more money at something when your luck is out / bad timing. One small advantage that I think we as players have is that we can choose when to bet and skip spins if we like. Using some kind of positive progression during an upswing in our fortunes could hit the jackpot. I sometimes think negative progressions are a very dangerous excuse just to bet on every spin. That is surely going to lead to disaster on one of those vicious downturns.

I have been thinking about this lately 

It really strikes me that positive progressions are the way to go.

Let's say that you bet 6 splits x $10 = $60.

You win and get back $180. That's a profit of $120.

Now here is the good part. You can increase your bet on the next spin and STILL keep some of the winnings from the previous bet!

So you could now go 6 splits x $15 = $90.

You win and get back $270. That's a profit of $180 plus the $120 you made on the last spin.

If you happened to lose that last bet.....

You are still in front over the 2 bets to the tune of $30.

Maybe the trick to playing positive progressions is the way I have mentioned above making sure you at least guarantee yourself some profit even if you lose the 2nd bet. (of course you would just stay at the base level should you lose the first bet)

I understand that you couldn't do it with even money bets and you are not always going to get long winning runs betting dozens but I have seen plenty of 2 dozen negative progression methods bust to know which one I would personally prefer to play.

cheers

 



finals 1, 2 and 6.

I am getting slow in my old age!!

Something that didn't happen.

Dozen 2 never went to dozen 1.
Dozen 1 never went to dozen 2.

Column C never went to column A.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 03, 2012, 08:56:51 PM
Now for something different. What do you see. Or in this case what do you not see:

21, 36, 12, 2, 11, 6, 32, 31, 22, 16, 21, 26, 1, 1, 26, 32,

There are a lot of repeating dozens and columns in that.

2,3,1,1,1,1,3,3,2,2,2,3,1,1,3,3.

C,C,C,B,B,C,B,A,A,A,C,B,A,A,B,B.

Although I don't think that's what you are hinting at.

cheers

I suppose what I am saying is that you could play your own permanence at anytime and the wheel you are playing on makes no difference. I could go along with that.

Why not say then that you don't need to write any previous spins and the bet you were about to make on table A in Las Vegas could just as easily be placed on Table B at the Ritz in London. It has the same probability to appear wherever you place the bet. So what is the point in measuring anything?

I agree. You are only limited in this game by what you can't see.

Here is where it is at now and this is where I think the Red will break down.

The Black clumps are gradually taking over the smaller Red clumps.

I would be keeping an eye out here for a healthy string of Black and jumping on it.

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ok, so here is what it looks like now.

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The interesting thing for me which I notice a lot is how it tries to correct itself but Red then goes on another long winning streak.

They call it the 'dealers bet' in America. A lot of old time gamblers swear by it.

You might see RRRRRRB and then it switches back to R again.

Gizmo

I just took a quick snapshot of results so far at spielbank wiesbaden on table 4.

You can plainly see Red is dominant and the Second Dozen and Second Column are very weak as well.

Is this the sort of thing you would be looking to attack?

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What makes me laugh is some casinos I visit have a £5 minimum bet on the dozens/columns and yet 10p on the inside numbers. You could just bet 6 splits at 10p each and cover any dozen or column you wanted for 60p. Works great if you are a progression fanatic.

I was going to start playing at BV this week on the no zero wheel but this thread has talked me out of it. There are plenty of live wheels out there. I would rather up the bets and play a slower game than risk any dodgy goings on with RNG software.

I have read threads on a few gambling forums where some long term posters have a lot of statistical analaysis showing the percentages are way more in favour of the casino than what they should be. Some of these are not just the disreputable firms you read about either.

At least we have the choice to play where we see fit. I would always go by the rule that if it doesn't feel right, don't play!

I get that feeling with a few 'live' dealer wheels as well. Namely the 'supercasino' studio live dealer wheel and the 'smartlive' autowheel. Just my opinion.