That's a good question esoito

1) Flat bets. (RWD hot number system)

2) Gentle progression. (Lanky's divisor)

3) Inside numbers. (Winkel's G.U.T)

4) Even Chance. (SPIKE's 72% method    )

I was serious for about 75% of that post. Honestly, I have never found an E.C. method I like. Some people go on about 'Marigny'. I don't know because I have never really studied it.

cheers

p.s. Lanky's divisor does not really get talked about much anymore but some clever people back in the day like 'number 6' praised it's worth compared to some of the other boom + bust progressions. I would put a link to it but you just get taken to spam adverts nowadays.

I was thinking about our struggles to beat roulette and wondered what other people would make of our almost obsessive fascination with the game....

....Then I watched this and it's kind of ironic.

These 2 guys live in the middle of nowhere (uttoxeter) and are managing a health centre and yet you would think they are in charge of the bank of england.

It's hillarious.

http://youtu.be/Y7o8FbGCR9U

100 spins from random.org.....

13
30
32
23
10
31
9
18 bet next spin streets 3,9.
6 lost -2.
2
33
7
8
33
8
5
34
33
15
4
6
10
26
16 bet next spin streets 3,9.
13 lost -2.
3
28
1
26
32
26
24
33
17
32
12
14
32
27
30
2
17
21
25
3
1
8
6
1
9
23
28
7
14
30
7
30
12
3
31
7
21
35
11
32
21
23
5
10
29
3
4
25
9 bet next spin streets 6,9.
7 lost -2. no bet next spin.
17 bet next spin streets 3,9.
12 lost -2.
8
20
32
26
18 bet next spin streets 3,9.
2 lost -2.
11
28
31
26
33
10
11
21
23
33
13
2
21
29
8
28
21
This example would have lost 8 units. LLLL.



Another 100....

1
23
31
16
34
6
5
2
22
18
17 no bet here.
2
33
28
31
23
20
22
26
3
22
2
2
29
24
4
26
2
5
1
22
14
18
25 next spin bet streets 3,6.
27 lost -2.
21
30
32
33
30
16
14
3
8
18 next spin bet streets 3,9.
22 lost -2.
7
3
30
34
7
17
24 next spin bet streets 3,9.
23 lost -2.
23
16
18 no bet here.
7 next spin bet streets 6,9.
19 lost -2.
2
5
27
25 no bet here.
19
16
17 no bet here.
32
14
10
29
22
20
10
28
16
22
23
2
5
10
20
11
31
30
17
6
26
27 no bet here.
12
28
27
30
6
4
13
10
20
7
31
22
This example would have lost 8 units. LLLL.


Another 100...

36
22
8
26 bet streets 3,6.
30 lost -2.
8
21
6
30
17
7 bet streets 6,9.
22 lost -2.
20
22
9
29
21
3
25
36
19
32
2
21
11
15
5
11
13
20
16
24
7
12
16
16 no bet here.
6
12
3
34
17
27 bet streets 3,6.
9 win +10. bet streets 6,9.
5 lost -2.
18
34
24
6
20
7
33
13
28
15
21
13
5
6
19
16
7 bet streets 6,9.
1 lost -2.
10
3
6
32
22
5
31
28
25
20
17
24
2
31
33
29
29
3
14
24
17
16 no bet here.
33
36
24
20
25
27 no bet here.
17 bet streets 3,9.
9 win +10. bet streets 6,9.
1 lost -2.
26
25 no bet here.
28
8
27 bet streets 3,6.
16 win +10. bet streets 3,9.
29 lost -2.
This example shown +18. LL W LL W L W L. (This is the sort of pattern worth following.)

Hello Subby
It can all be boiled down to the following...
If you see streets 3,6 appear consecutively... bet streets 3,9.
If you see streets 3,9 appear consecutively... bet streets 3,6.
If you see streets 6,3 appear consecutively... bet streets 6,9.
If you see streets 6,9 appear consecutively... bet streets 3,6.
If you see streets 9,3 appear consecutively... bet streets 6,9.
If you see streets 9,6 appear consecutively... bet streets 3,9.
Don't bet if you see the following..
3,3.
6,6.
9,9.
Wait for two of the 3,6 or 9 streets to alternate consecutively.
Always continue after a win following the rules as above.
Stop at as loss and wait for the bet to qualify again.
A losing bet only costs 2 units.
A winning bet returns 10 units profit with the possibility of going on a win streak.
Hope this makes sense.
cheers

Quote from: malcop on November 26, 2012, 02:39:08 PM
Are they cheating I don't know, but answer this why is it when you are blocked on playing live dealers on sites such as William Hill, they recommend you play on their RNG platforms.


They obviously think you have no long-term chance of coming out ahead playing RNG


malcop

The good thing there is that they are virtually admitting that live roulette can be beat. This news is coming from the casino and not some system scammer. That is 100% great news.

My opinion is that RNG is somehow capable of producing longer periods of randomness which is hard for a player to get to grips with. I do believe in the 'cause and effect' principle that applies to live roulette and maybe an experienced player can tune into that.

Maybe it's not so easy to tune into a bunch of RNG gobleygook 

That's my theory for now anyhow.

Quote from: dino246 on November 26, 2012, 07:22:30 AM
Interesting to note the name of those machines in the bookies.....FIXED betting terminals !!

Please ALL stay away from them if your new to this great game of roulette.

Fbt's are not roulette their Mickey Mouse.

I agree with you Dino that it's not really roulette but I don't think the machines are fixed to pay out less than the stated odds.

It is more a case of players getting sucked into them. You can't sit out spins and you can turn over your money far quicker than playing on a real wheel in a live casino.

Add that up along with insufficient capital, chasing losses etc.. and you really do have a recipe for disaster.

hello marivo

There are some days that you would not even get any bets with this playing it as a 'stand-alone' method. It is a nice trigger to have in your arsenal. Some days it is strong and other days it is weak. All I can suggest is to play it when you are not getting many losses with it in any particular session.

For example...

W LL W L W LL WW L (You can make good profit in these times) The L's are not going over 2.

LLLL W LLLLL (There is no point playing it in times like this)

So once again it is pretty subjective but most of the triggers I play are like that. At least this one is easy to track and follow.

cheers

I read a lot of the German roulette forums and a few of them were complaining about it.
So I am assuming that some of them probably play at Wiesbaden.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 25, 2012, 07:16:14 PM
Bally

Are you speaking specifically of the Wiesbaden wheel or all wheels in general?  I can't see how one could know this unless they were at the table.  Can you be at the table at Weisbaden?

Sam

Sam

You could be sitting there at the table playing. It's a real live casino. I am pretty certain they don't have a video feed like at Dublinbet.

All the wheels with sensors on them for recording numbers can either miss out on numbers or add the same number twice making it look like a repeater came.

I suppose Victor is right in a way saying it makes no difference because each spin is an independent event.

cheers

I was once watching a guy play one of these and he was shaking the machine thinking he could land the virtual ball into the pocket he wanted. (I kid you not)

OMG!
That's hilarious but also pretty sad. 

What's to stop an RNG casino like BV from sending you a bad string of results in advance if they see you are playing the same system every day for big stakes. Just the fact that they could (not saying they would) would be enough to put doubts in my mind.

Quote from: VLS on November 25, 2012, 08:34:44 AM
...We can't curve-fit actuals from the future, can we? 

Tell me what you would like to see Victor and I will have a word with the croupier 

You still need to be careful with the Wiesbaden spins. The optical readers mounted on the wheels can make quite a few mistakes over the course of a day.

Sorry, I put the wrong table up. This is table 3 I was looking at today.

I will wait till the end of the day and show table 3 and table 4.

This place is good for spins. They have about 8 wheels including a couple of autowheels.

The numbers come out at regular intervals throughout the day.

(Type spielbank wiesbaden into google and click on the permanenzen link.)

+22 already today. Should not lose from that position.

So I decided to do a bit of testing on table 4 at spielbank wiesbaden.

(I am working my way backwards) 

I will do a little bit every day.

Here are the days, totals and wins + losses.

A bet only costs 2 units. So it's either +10 or -2.

22ND NOV. +40. 6 WINS V 10 LOSSES.
21ST NOV. -16. 8 LOSSES.
20TH NOV. +46. 6 WINS V 7 LOSSES.
19TH NOV. +12. 2WINS V 4 LOSSES.
18TH NOV. (NO RECORDS)
17TH NOV. +2. 1WIN V 4 LOSSES.
16TH NOV. +2. 1 WIN V 4 LOSSES.
15TH NOV. +10. 2WINS V 5 LOSSES.
14TH NOV. +14. 3 WINS V 8 LOSSES.
13TH NOV. +18. 3 WINS V 6 LOSSES.
12TH NOV. +14. 3 WINS V 8 LOSSES.

I make that +142 in total for these 10 days.

I have never played it as a stand alone strategy and incorporate it with other stuff however these 10 days of results were consistent except for 1 day.

It should produce 1 win for every 5 losses = 16.66% and yet is hitting at over 42%
in this short sample.


cheers