I was once watching a guy play one of these and he was shaking the machine thinking he could land the virtual ball into the pocket he wanted. (I kid you not)

OMG!
That's hilarious but also pretty sad. 

What's to stop an RNG casino like BV from sending you a bad string of results in advance if they see you are playing the same system every day for big stakes. Just the fact that they could (not saying they would) would be enough to put doubts in my mind.

Quote from: VLS on November 25, 2012, 08:34:44 AM
...We can't curve-fit actuals from the future, can we? 

Tell me what you would like to see Victor and I will have a word with the croupier 

You still need to be careful with the Wiesbaden spins. The optical readers mounted on the wheels can make quite a few mistakes over the course of a day.

Sorry, I put the wrong table up. This is table 3 I was looking at today.

I will wait till the end of the day and show table 3 and table 4.

This place is good for spins. They have about 8 wheels including a couple of autowheels.

The numbers come out at regular intervals throughout the day.

(Type spielbank wiesbaden into google and click on the permanenzen link.)

+22 already today. Should not lose from that position.

So I decided to do a bit of testing on table 4 at spielbank wiesbaden.

(I am working my way backwards) 

I will do a little bit every day.

Here are the days, totals and wins + losses.

A bet only costs 2 units. So it's either +10 or -2.

22ND NOV. +40. 6 WINS V 10 LOSSES.
21ST NOV. -16. 8 LOSSES.
20TH NOV. +46. 6 WINS V 7 LOSSES.
19TH NOV. +12. 2WINS V 4 LOSSES.
18TH NOV. (NO RECORDS)
17TH NOV. +2. 1WIN V 4 LOSSES.
16TH NOV. +2. 1 WIN V 4 LOSSES.
15TH NOV. +10. 2WINS V 5 LOSSES.
14TH NOV. +14. 3 WINS V 8 LOSSES.
13TH NOV. +18. 3 WINS V 6 LOSSES.
12TH NOV. +14. 3 WINS V 8 LOSSES.

I make that +142 in total for these 10 days.

I have never played it as a stand alone strategy and incorporate it with other stuff however these 10 days of results were consistent except for 1 day.

It should produce 1 win for every 5 losses = 16.66% and yet is hitting at over 42%
in this short sample.


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Thank you stringbean    I will watch that tomorrow morning.

Todays results on table 4 at spielbank wiesbaden were interesting.

Look at the bottom of column 1.

8
8
26
7
17

and then go to the very bottom of column 10 and the start of column 11.

16
9
17
9
26
26
8
18

Thank you Timo.

I will take a look at that.

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The day before yesterday on table 4 at spielbank wiesbaden

+12.

I don't use it as a stand alone method. It is certainly a handy thing to have at your disposal. Having a handful of half decent trigger bets requiring not much outlay gives you the opportunity to increase your bets when things are going well and causes minimal damage in a lean spell.


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Yesterday on table 4 at spielbank wiesbaden


Total +46.

Quote from: Gizmotron on November 21, 2012, 08:20:19 PM
So here are a few of the stages.

1. Winning a bunch of money will change my life for the better.
2. The Martingale Progression. (I'm going to be rich)
3. I will find a progression that does work
4. Very abstract rules will make progressions work
4.5 Magical thinking will make mechanical systems work.
5. Mechanical Systems don't work. ( I'm not going to be rich )
6. The discovery of conditions might help in bet selection.
7. Bet selection alone will not work.
8. Win streak conditions are opportunities. (Effectiveness) I can be rich if I want to.

Good list. 

What's funny (or not) is that there are probably half a dozen of us who took 100 years between us to come to the firm conclusion that step 8 is the way to go.

I just hope there are no more steps! 

The most important bit of advice I would give anyone (and it applies to gambling) is to think for yourself or someone else will think for you and that always comes at a price.

''Finish the job'' - Gizmo.

The problem is most people have not even started even after spending years at it.

Shane Warne was probably the best bowler the world has ever seen in international cricket. He was getting interviewed once and they asked him why guys who had played in loads of games like him were nowhere near as good as him.

He said that a lot of guys who had played 50-60 games were in fact still playing in their very first game of cricket.

Now I can relate that to gambling. There are guys out there who are likely coming up with the same stuff and making the same mistakes that they made on day 1.

A lot of the so-called experts on the subject have chopped and changed their ideas around for years.

Here are some authors to look up if you are interested.

Nathaniel Branden.
David D. Burns.
Albert Ellis.
Daniel Gilbert.
Fritz Perls.
Barry Schwartz.
Martin Seligman.
William Styron.
Robert E. Thayer.

The most interesting book I read out of that lot was Fritz Perls 'Gestalt Therapy'.

Here are some numbers from a session I played today.

I will put the markings from the chart next to them. I won't cross anything out which obviously I would if playing.

34) 12
21) 7  7/10.
35) 12  2/5/12.
22) 8  8.
17) 6  1/6/10.
14) 5  5/10/11.
09) 3  3/8/10.
08} 3  3/12. **I would not bet here because it is not 3 6 9 even though two street 3's appeared**
25) 9  3/6/9. **Now I have the 3 6 9 and would bet streets 3 and 6.**
26) 9  9/12.  **oh well. It sometimes comes like this. stop betting**
10) 4  4/7/11.
09) 3  3/10/11.
08} 3  3/12.  **It's playing funny buggers at the moment**
06) 2  2/10/11.
30) 10  3/8/10.
07) 3  3/5/11.
19) 7  4/7.
02) 1  1/6.
24) 8  7/8/9.
15) 5  5/9/11.
04) 2 2/6/9.
12) 4  2/4.
24) 8  3/4/8.
02) 1  1/3/5.
27) 9  7/8/9.
22) 8  2/8/11.
34) 12  4/12.
18} 6  6/9.
17) 6  6/12.
02) 1  1/2/7.
32) 11  3/10/11.
18} 6  6/7.
26) 9  3/9. **It's trying**
18} 6  3/6/9.  **play the 3 and 9 street here**
18} 6  6/12.  **no luck whatsoever. stop betting**
17) 6  6/12.   
16) 6  6/12.
31) 11  5/11.

Talk about hitting everywhere except the bullseye. Only lost 4 units.
It does show what I am getting at however.

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