Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on April 27, 2013, 08:24:10 PM

---There are no miracles in random play....since roulette it self is random game,therefore it should be
play thatway to beat it...........BUT HOW.......that is another question....and it is beatable on the long run...

 
Well my dear FLAT_IN_O, sir, there are no miracles in this game I agree for sure. I can say that I think that maybe there are just slight better triggers then some others but still not so much that we can relly hard on them.
I mean in terms that they still can make us trouble if we are not very carefull.


I took about one month of practicing real play and conditions and now soon I  will  start to play for real. As all you successfull and some pro players do, it seems I ll do about very similar.

I haven't lost about 200 test sessions and I didn't go even over about 100 units in DD aiming for 5-10 units a session. My max stakes in worst case were about 20-25 units I think. Becasue I wanted so actualy.. Nice enough from my point of view.

First of all my play is based on advices, general knowledge and similarity from Bayes. I am also using his software and more then special thanks goes to him.

My BS are based on deviations. When I see 3+ STD at some sequence I start to play against it. If I don't hit at first 3-4 shots I abandon and wait for another trigger, not chasing anything for too long.

Thing is that his software is tracking 40 spins on several different betselections and those 3 STD events are almost never same looking shape but coming all the time. How come?

Well roulette sequence is more then R/B. It can actualy be looked through several dimensions. I mean there is not only one ratio in the sequnce. Not just R/B but chops vs strikes and all lengths of those. We know that their mathematical relation is same as R to B.


The 'law of series' says that a double  is half as likely as a chop, a run of 3 is half as likely as a double, a run of 4 is half as likely as a run of 3 etc. So I search such triggers at 3.0 STD and playing against them, but not for long

3.0 std is pretty rare event by itself so I bet that it won't grow even more straight away and at the same time if It grows that I decide to abandon it,  I hope that next few won't do the same. That is a bit logical if you think about it. Serious trouble would be when many such independant events would hit successive many times in a row.  So already rare events should become much much rarer and hit successive many times in a row to casue me trouble. I think that is better then random betting.


But 2nd part of the play is most  important I say. I use special very carefully designed progression (you won't find it on any forum) and I play it PATIENTLY. Even such BS which is based against already strong deviations, can't make your play without stress or some more unpleasnt losing strikes from time to time. That way you still need to play slow and patiently waiting for the tide to turn. Becasue such things don't happen often, you just need to be carefull and wait for your strike to come.


In play that would mean if stakes gets to high or uncomfortable for me, I cut them to half or some point where is ok and continue from there. Eventualy I get out of the mud. But if you start to panic and want to recover losses in next few seconds you could get drown very easy and that would actualy happen most of the time.


Learn to be patient before all! I had situations where I had to cut few times not to go over my max wanted stake, but I went out from hole eventualy. Even if I know it must take10-20 bets maybe to glance situation. I profit on any L/W situation and that way I know I must get out form hole eventualy. Nasty things do happens really rare, most of the time it is very pleasnt balanced game so I know sunshine will shine at some point again.


So all in all there are no "set in stone" rules, nor I could code this way of play. I have some general principles from which I don't deviate, but manualy handling is what is great part of it.


So If this can help someone to make its own HG I would be glad. I hope and have feeling will be mine too


Regards


Drazen

Quote from: Superman on April 27, 2013, 07:02:28 AM

I used to try everything in a bot, I used to track with a tracker, I used to play for SD etc etc etc, none of those methods/systems/styles of play were any better than any other so over time I have ended up playing like I do, what more can I say.
 

Thanks, I am pretty sure I understand now all around your play. And as you say, it is as it was seemed to me  No rules, no tracking, no STD.. Just your "maneuvering" ( we could say even blind, because there is no any tracking of anything) based on your personal permanence and betting amounts also on the fly. How much you think could be right.

That way you are still after 3K of sessions on the same chip and that way you would play differently and probably more cautios with higher chip size.

So abstract that it can't be more. But if you ask me, important is that is works by some miracle. That is really enigma to me mate and I bet even more to you

Best

Drazen

@Superman

No, mate you are getting all this wrong I am affraid. I am not lazy, stupid nor I wanted some few simple steps, nor that I can't grasp some harder things maybe. don't want to bother you but all your explanations about BS were "when I think will hit".  I am not thinking at all that you are lying but rather not telling maybe more details.

When you already mentioned my harrasing PM-s and my impossibility to grasp some things may I say that you earlier (this year) said to me ..."it all depends on 3.0 deviation really..", and in the last PM you said " I stopped using STD long time ago".. So who can conclude something from such opposing statements?

"I see some singles and soon I expect some series or vice versa to show up".-- Well pretty much like that. You didn't said even half decent explanation to try figuring out although you are saying all the time how you explained your way of betting best possible. For who to understand? Maybe only you. With all due respect.

I was sure and actualy as you said now, you won't talk about your play at all after now, this pis*sed you enough although it wasn't my intention at all, nor to get you mad or depreciate. But things are as they are and I can't change them.

You don't have to prove anything to anyone, nor teach, nor help anyone. All I am saying that your explanations are too blur even for most inteligent or hard working people to connect, although you think somehow they should be enough.


Best

Drazen

Quote from: Superman on April 26, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
   
I, without bragging, would say I am lucky enough to have this gold every day as I haven't lost a session in 6 months now, I've explained the best I can as to what I do but nobody is prepared to learn, they want it written down in ABC steps which I guess is human nature, that's why we will always have forums for gamblers jumping from one method to the next.

Well Superman please don't get me wrong but some things sound a bit strange in your perspective. You said you have won almost 3 thousands of sessions without a single loss. "Hat of to that" is insufficient thing to say.
But even after all that you still play with 0.05 chip.

I know that you don't have to earn for living out of roulette but that chip size sounds at least weird for a man who has beaten 3000 sessions without a loss.

That is even more strange when you said you turned 20 euros in 150 or more few times... So for you to be able play with casinos money even with a enough higher chip wouldn't be a problem since you have won more than enough for that.

You also said that you don't actualy "like" roulette in terms it is your passion and you like to spent few hours a day in front of it, like I am/would. So your only goal would be to make some extra cash on random generator. That way you play electronical much faster roulette. You also said you aim 10 units per session and with 0.05 chip size that would be 0.50 cents a day? Even after 3000 sessions beaten? That sounds realy strange to me. What is the trick?

You said you don't have strict set of rules, otherwhise you could code it and make cash cow. But to play with so low chip size after so many beaten sessions doesn't have any sense at all.

So I wonder are you actualy confident in the way you play roulette? I mean do you know and can explain what gets you overall "advantage" for not losing single session in so many trials? Or you think you were just lucky?

I must admit that I read all your posts where you tried to explain the way how you play, but all I found is that you apparently play FTL and bet on streaks and chops when you "THINK" it will hit. Hm.. if someone doesn't consider this explanation a bit clumsy, can it say opposite?  Please if I missed at least a bit better explanation, can you point me to that?

You were emphasizing how MM is important and that is what you were trying to explain more then betselection, but is your BS really made just out of your personal permanence? I mean you don't take any mathematical, statistical relations when you choose your bets? To be honest I don't think so.. It wouldn't have sense. Then successful playing roulette would be much abstract thing, right?




Drazen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

Thanks Twister.   

The only casino I didn't played in..

Quote from: Ralph on March 20, 2013, 06:24:15 PM

It is a big difference if the zero is skipped

On line live no en prison rule, but you might think about some La partage tables. There are some around 

But it starts about later afternoon,  5PM

Quote from: spike on March 05, 2013, 01:38:02 AM
If you can read random correctly, you
see the bad states and sit it out or move to another wheel.

Right

Well if one can see or recognize or pinpoint excatly "bad states" , then best would be to refer to them as bad ones and bet on them "badly" too.   Show no mercy. don't be sissy! 

Btw, like it is enough to win only on favorable ones?  Pshaw! 



Cheers

Drazen

Quote from: Buffster on March 18, 2013, 12:20:02 AM

On a single zero table and not considering bet selection what should the strike rate be on Even Chances.

You may find those two bolded things pretty much somehow dependant in our game, so you can't favor 2nd above without asking what 1st thinks about it.

Also If you make strike rate chick jealous, it can scratch your new car with keys/or poison your camel or something even worse 

So you must behave like a sultan in a harem. To be able to satisfy them all LOL

Drazen

 

Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 14, 2013, 04:12:48 PM
Guys

It's an "exaggerample"......an exaggerated example.  It cannot happen.  It just lets you think in different ways.

Imagine:   RRRRB............repeating to infinity.  NEVER RRRRR.  Could you make money off that?

Mostly, I'm just bloviating!!  Pay me no mind......

Sam

Well Sam there is something more to it if you want study or bet on some patterns

Anyhow, probability is not as straight forward as we might think.  Certain patterns are still more probable to show up before others..

But like I already see next question..  ,,How the hell will this bring me any money". Too bad nothing is so simple to exploit...


http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CoinTossing.html

Quote from: Ralph on March 14, 2013, 02:24:19 PM

Probability is about all spins in Monte Carlo in 110 years, so it is rather due!!!

Well in that case record is 26 becasue on August 18, 1913, at the casino in Monte Carlo, black came up a record twenty-six times in succession ... Casino make good money that night and unusual run enriched the Casino by some millions of francs becasue people starting doubling their bets thinking it MUST be opposite on the next spin... That is history fact.


I have tested dozens of millions of spins and I personaly haven't noticed more then 25 in a row on standard EC-s (on artifical ones I have seen more), although from Bayses published stats in the past it can be 28 I think..

Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 14, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
Suppose you had a wheel that could NOT produce five reds in a row.

Without supposing, it can't over 28  lol

Cheers

Drazen

EC-s are my favorite too

Anyway, I wonder how something what is based just on probability can win flat bet? Similar to Marigny, huh?

Everything in roulette must balance out longterm, so no matter what probability you challenge you will still face 50:50 minus 2.7 after that on the long run... (it doesn't means you can't make some money longterm becasue of that, there is other side of this coin too )

You can face like 5.0 STD on EC-s and as you maybe know max is around 5.2, but to that point you will still have 50:50 and lose becasue of zero.

Are you sure you tested it enough, not to get dissapointed in the end? 

If you are so scared of someone getting your HG you can learn to code by yourself or to ask coder to create software with changanble settings (if you can set that for your strategy?) for things you need. So in that case only you will know winning combo

Cheers

Drazen

Well my humble opinion is that all things you asked and debated here should be answered at the end of your homework notebook, after you have thoroughly and conscientiously learned "curriculum" and done your homework.

Cheers

Drazen

Quote from: Macau on March 09, 2013, 02:39:03 PM
Do you know why all systems or strategies in all forums led to the failure?
Because all systems has received negative opinion from the people.

What about positive energy everyone himslef puts in system while playing with it? Positive energy which bettor focus on the system while betting, can't overcome anyones bad energy of opinion for it 

So lets all start thinking we won't lose money playing systems longterm, it may bring us what we want 

Best

Drazen