Quote from: NathanDetroit on January 18, 2016, 11:22:49 PM
Interesting why he switched,

I turned him on to collision betting. I showed him how to combine his expertise with my expertise. If this is new thinking, this selection method of his, then he has digressed into logical double dozen or double column bets. If so, that's interesting too.

Quote from: NathanDetroit on January 18, 2016, 07:27:54 PM
Original idea by SPIKE (ca012)

That's debatable. Mr. Cryptic has always been evasive when it comes to divulging secrets. He never bets more than 18 numbers per spin. I put him on to collision bets, from the table's layout, that make up his own sets of 18.

An easier way could be to download my free practice software designed to work with dozens and columns as well as EC bets.

http://betselection.cc/gizmotron/tracking-software-for-practice-real-play/

Here is a screen shot of the interface built with LiveCode Open Source development:

Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2016, 09:26:53 PM
Thanks Gizmodo!
I will see if I can find someone to run the test for me as my computer and coding skills are non existant!

You will need to write  code like this for the dozens and the column buttons;  this one is for the first dozen to lose:

 
on mouseUp
   global hLastSpinSet,  hfreeSpin,
   put "true" into hfreeSpin
   put "13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36" into hLastSpinSet
   put the text of field "fldzz" into fzz
   if fzz = "" then
      put hLastSpinSet into field "fldzz"
   else
      put fzz into hLastSpinSet
      put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12" into hTakeOut
      put the number of items in hLastSpinSet into bbk
      put 1 into hSpot
      repeat with i = 1 to bbk
         if item hSpot of hLastSpinSet is among the items of hTakeOut then
            delete item hSpot of hLastSpinSet
            subtract 1 from hSpot
         end if
         add 1 to hSpot
      end repeat
      put hLastSpinSet into field "fldzz"
   end if
end mouseUp



You will need to write code like this for the even buttons;  this one is for red to win:


on mouseUp
   global hLastSpinSet,  hfreeSpin,
   put "true" into hfreeSpin
   put  "1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36," into hLastSpinSet
   put the text of field "fldzz" into fzz
   if fzz = "" then
      put hLastSpinSet into field "fldzz"
   else
      put fzz into hLastSpinSet
      put  "2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35," into hTakeOut
      put the number of items in hLastSpinSet into bbk
      put 1 into hSpot
      repeat with i = 1 to bbk
         if item hSpot of hLastSpinSet is among the items of hTakeOut then
            delete item hSpot of hLastSpinSet
            subtract 1 from hSpot
         end if
         add 1 to hSpot
      end repeat
      put hLastSpinSet into field "fldzz"
   end if
end mouseUp



Quote from: Matt on January 05, 2016, 08:34:22 PM
Wondering if anyone has any code written to test double dozens and columns strategies?
I have come across something that appears quite interesting that I would be interested testing with MM.
Both bet selection and MM are quite basic.

I have, hope this does the trick.

 
on mouseUp
   global hLastSpinSet, hfreeSpin, hWin, hLose
   put field "fldzz" into ding
   put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12," into d1
   put "13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24," into d2
   put "25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36," into d3
   put "1,4,7,10,13,16,19,22,25,28,31,34," into c1
   put "2,5,8,11,14,17,20,23,26,29,32,35," into c2
   put "3,6,9,12,15,18,21,24,27,30,33,36," into c3
   --   put "38,37,1,2,9,10,13,14,25,26,27,28,35,36," into p1
   --   put "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30," into p2
   --   put "5,6,17,18,19,20,21,22,31,32,33,34," into p3
   --   put "1,2,5,6,17,18,27,28,31,32,37,38," into primes
   --   put "3,4,7,8,11,12,15,16,23,24,29,30," into spokes
   --   put "9,10,13,14,19,20,21,22,25,26,33,34,35,36," into nots
   
   put "2,4,6,8,10,11,13,15,17,20,22,24,26,28,29,31,33,35," into blk
   put "1,3,5,7,9,12,14,16,18,19,21,23,25,27,30,32,34,36," into rd
   
   put "2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20,22,24,26,28,30,32,34,36," into evn
   put "1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15,17,19,21,23,25,27,29,31,33,35," into od
   
   put "19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36," into hgh
   put "1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18," into lo
   put random(38) into hSpin
   put the number of items in hLastSpinSet into zSixEight
   if hSpin > 36 then
      put "|----------------------------------------|  "  after field "mainText"
   else
      if hSpin is among the items of d1 then
         put "| X       |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of d2 then
         put "|    X    |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of d3 then
         put "|       X |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of c1 then
         put " X       |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of c2 then
         put "    X    |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of c3 then
         put "       X |" after field "mainText"
      end if
     
      if hSpin is among the items of blk then
         put " X    |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of rd then
         put "    X |" after field "mainText"
      end if
     
      if hSpin is among the items of od then
         put " X    |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of evn then
         put "    X |" after field "mainText"
      end if
     
      if hSpin is among the items of lo then
         put " X    |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      if hSpin is among the items of hgh then
         put "    X |" after field "mainText"
      end if
      --      if hSpin is among the items of p1 then
      --         put " X       |" after field "mainText"
      --      end if
      --      if hSpin is among the items of p2 then
      --         put "    X    |" after field "mainText"
      --      end if
      --      if hSpin is among the items of p3 then
      --         put "       X |" after field "mainText"
      --      end if
      --      if hSpin is among the items of primes then
      --         put " X       |" after field "mainText"
      --      end if
      --      if hSpin is among the items of spokes then
      --         put "    X    |" after field "mainText"
      --      end if
      --      if hSpin is among the items of nots then
      --         put "       X |" after field "mainText"
      --      end if
   end if
   put the text of field "fld66" into tms
   if tms = "" then
      put 1 into tms
   end if
   if hfreeSpin = "true" then
      put the text of field "fldNumBets" into zot
      add 1 to zot
      put zot into field "fldNumBets"
      if hSpin is among the items of hLastSpinSet then
         put the text of field "fld33" into zot2
         put round((36 - zSixEight) * tms) into zim
         add zim to zot2
         put zot2 into field "fld33"
         add 1 to hWin
         put hWin into field "winBy"
         put "    "  after field "mainText"
         if hSpin < 10 then
            put "0" & hSpin into hSpin2
            put hSpin2 & " -- W  ( $ "  after field "mainText"
         else
            put hSpin & " -- W  ( $ "  after field "mainText"
         end if
         put  zot2 & " ) " after field "mainText"
         put return  after field "mainText"
      else
         put the text of field "fld33" into zot2
         subtract round(zSixEight * tms) from zot2
         put zot2 into field "fld33"
         add 1 to hLose
         put hLOse into field "loseBy"
         put "    "  after field "mainText"
         if hSpin < 10 then
            put "0" & hSpin into hSpin2
            put hSpin2 & " -- L  ( $ "  after field "mainText"
         else
            put hSpin & " -- L  ( $ "  after field "mainText"
         end if
         put  zot2 & " ) " after field "mainText"
         put return  after field "mainText"
      end if
   else
      put return  after field "mainText"
   end if
   put "false" into hfreeSpin
   put "" into field "fldzz"
   
   --set the disabled of button "b2" to true
   --wait 18 seconds with messages
   --set the disabled of button "b2" to false
   --beep
   --wait 1 seconds with messages
   --click at "36,58"
   
   --put "" into field "fldzz"
   --put "" into hLastSpinSet
end mouseUp


 So when I get ticked off at Drudge Report's reload timer, I rewrite the html code. Then I launch the saved html document saved on my desktop. You must save the text document as .html.

Change the word true to false:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head>
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="http://betselection.cc/Themes/impulse2_smf20final/css/index.css?20140413asd" />
<script src="http://betselection.cc/folders/tabs/tabcontent.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    <link href="http://betselection.cc/folders/tabs/tabcontent.css?20140510" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
<script> $("input:radio").hover(function(){
        $(this).prop('checked', true);

Copy source code.

Paste it into a text window like Notepad.

Change this:  $(this).prop('checked', true); to this:  $(this).prop('checked', false); in the eighth line of code.

Then save as post.html

Then open it with your browser and enjoy without interruption.

Like I said at the beginning, 21, Black Jack, players have a validated advantage if they choose to count the cards and exploit the recorded advantage with higher bets.  These occurrences of discovering advantages are known as exploiting the variable change. I know advantages occur in Roulette because of shear coincidence and for no other reason.

It might be coined as coincidental change. The occurrences happen because of randomness. There is no memory from the wheel. It happens in fair RNG's and even in card based Roulette, like California style Roulette, too. The best tactic is the same as the 21 players, attack the advantage state. Now I want to be very clear here. This advantage I speak of only exists in my mind. I have used my own construct to identify that each construct's characteristicness conforms to prerequisite qualities. If they exist, I attack the proposed possibility that the trend will continue as expected. So I boldly press forward with no expectation that the tactic will be a success or that the trend will continue.

So what is it that I have disclosed here? I have admitted to pet prerequisite qualities that I prefer to utilize. That and that it is not a great concern to me if I were to lose the first or second bet of an advantage bet. It's those two bets that let me take the long rides of a winning streak. I know I'm going to lose many of them in a long session. I've yet to explain in detail over the years since 2007, on various forums, even including this one, how I use my construct to identify prerequisite qualities or to live with losses. I've tried to explain them as a quality that is only appreciated through playing experience. That each person must find their own qualities and difficulties in order to become properly experienced as a good player.

That experience can be gained in only one way, actual play or practice play that is real world. That is why I created my practice software. I can play in a way to experience prerequisite qualities and the coincidences of upturns and downturns. A person must know what works and what does not work, and they must learn it for themselves. I've provided the construct, the practice software, and the characteristic modeling for your learning pleasure. After all, gambling is entertainment isn't it? You can confirm for yourself what works best for you. That's all I have ever claimed, except for the occasional baloney festival that I used to dump on people just for fun in years past, because, gambling is supposed to be entertainment isn't it? 

QuoteHere's another grouping to watch; the Tens. 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33... They are based on the value of the last digit from each number and the correlation to the Base-10 number system.

QuoteHow would you apply this to a particular strategy?

I have evaluated almost all of my major win streaks over the past 15 years. They almost exclusively involve the same 12 numbers dominating for a while, and I noticing them dominating. An example here would be the 1's, 4's, and the 6's dominating, that would be 12 numbers. You don't need to track them with a chart either. You can see them by just observing the marquee.

Hi Kimo,

I have discovered that a group is a group is a group... In other words, "you've seen one tree you've seen them all."

Your 8 groups I messed around with for characteristics discovery a few years ago, I referred to them as combo bets. This is when you combine a streak of low numbers with a streak of red or odd numbers or even both as you have. My focus was on hitting characteristics that were dominating at the same time.

Here's another grouping to watch; the Tens. 1,11,21,31 - 2,12,22,32 - 3,13,23,33... They are based on the value of the last digit from each number and the correlation to the Base-10 number system.

I have chosen timing as the most important. I have discovered that staying too long on a characteristic tends to lead to an immediate balance, two wins followed by one loss, equals balance.

As my method of play offers me several good choices for every spin, I tend to watch what timing has to do with the end results. Money management is just a process of bet / no bet or flat high bet / flat low bet, depending on table rules. Bet selection is just a guess where getting off the winning effect early allows me to play the close in odds of two to one. Sticking to the actual real odds per spin is working great too. This is like wave surfing. I'm following the natural waves in play. All I'm doing is staying out of all deep downturns and getting out of sessions with a reasonable expectation.

Quote from: greenguy on December 05, 2015, 10:52:38 AM

Yeah, well all I can say is that's very poor parenting.. lol

A few decades ago there was this "Dead Baby" joke craze. Back then, parents were looking for any good reason to kill off their nagging children. ............ (just kidding)

Dead baby wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_baby_jokes

Quote from: Tomla on December 05, 2015, 04:28:41 PM
could there be a way of differentially betting all 3 dozens  or 2 dozens to find the one winner that sleeps 7 times

You could try for one or two steps at a time.  If you hit a long streak of a sleeper you could build up a few one or two step starts. Then you could do step three & step four parts at other opportunities. Just grind ahead.

Hey Greenguy. What's red and sits in the corner?

Answer ( a baby chewing on razor blades, )

Hey Greenguy. What's green and sits in the corner?

Answer ( same baby a week later, )

Quote from: greenguy on December 03, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
Gizmo,

Using just the posted snapshot of your chart, how many times does a dozen sleep for the required 8 spins?

I can see only 1.

If you guys can't track dozens and columns and see sleepers in those spins then I feel sorry for you.